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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 8, 2024 16:16:18 GMT -5
Worried a bit if Jokic doesn't find his 3 pt shot. Not a huge concern but it's the difference at time on the edges between winning and not winning titles not that we can win with him not shooting well but it'd be a whole lot easier.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Aug 8, 2024 21:42:27 GMT -5
Worried a bit if Jokic doesn't find his 3 pt shot. Not a huge concern but it's the difference at time on the edges between winning and not winning titles not that we can win with him not shooting well but it'd be a whole lot easier. It's a concern. |
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Post by rock on Aug 8, 2024 22:19:08 GMT -5
It looks like the nuggets will be in Phoenix for Christmas
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 7:20:30 GMT -5
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Post by pie on Aug 9, 2024 7:39:15 GMT -5
What is wrong with worshipping a once in a generation player who brought us our first championship in 2023? Mind you, Jokic did it without forming a superteam like you Kevin Durant! I'm American but was rooting for Serbia to beat Team USA yesterday -- because Team USA is filled with cocky, arrogant guys like you. Also none of you would ever play for a small-market team like Denver. Jokic won a championship without a superteam unlike KD, LeBron, Steph Curry, Jayson Tatum, etc. Yesterday it was Jokic vs the Avengers and he almost won!! |
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Post by pie on Aug 9, 2024 7:40:47 GMT -5
Worried a bit if Jokic doesn't find his 3 pt shot. Not a huge concern but it's the difference at time on the edges between winning and not winning titles not that we can win with him not shooting well but it'd be a whole lot easier. It's a concern. Years of having to carry a team of scrubs naturally takes a toll on you. Also take into account, both Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr have way underperformed relative to their salaries. Then you got Zeke Nnaji who has taken the cake for the worst contract on the team! |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 7:42:04 GMT -5
lol, why are you tilted because of that tweet? I just find it funny and sensitive from KD.
The thing is that i enjoyed that USA - Serbia game way more than any NBA game i watched recently. Man, i wish FIBA rules would apply on NBA floor. NBA and their rules are headead in direction of changing the game of basketball we all love to some type of WWE circus show.
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Post by scooter on Aug 9, 2024 11:21:13 GMT -5
The thing is that i enjoyed that USA - Serbia game way more than any NBA game i watched recently. Man, i wish FIBA rules would apply on NBA floor. NBA and their rules are headead in direction of changing the game of basketball we all love to some type of WWE circus show. Which “different” rules do you like better? In general, I prefer the NBA rules and set up. The FIBA court is too small (and the 3 point line too short) for modern freakish athletes. Even the NBA court is a bit outmoded and slightly too narrow for 2024 athletes, which is why players step out of bounds so often on the sidelines — but money (revenue from court side seats) stands in the way of improving that. FIBA’s legal knocking the ball off the rim rule also seems pretty dumb with modern basketball players. I’m also not a fan of players fouling out on their 5th foul, a rule that played a part in the US comeback yesterday as Jokic had to play less aggressively with 4 fouls. In general it’s fashionable to bash the NBA but overall, I think their rules make more sense for elite athletes. I’ve long wished they would widen the court. The other team sport I watch is soccer and when they play games on narrower fields in US football stadiums, the game suffers a little bit. When you have the most elite athletes playing your game, a bigger playing surface makes the game better. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 11:38:06 GMT -5
The thing is that i enjoyed that USA - Serbia game way more than any NBA game i watched recently. Man, i wish FIBA rules would apply on NBA floor. NBA and their rules are headead in direction of changing the game of basketball we all love to some type of WWE circus show. Which “different” rules do you like better? In general, I prefer the NBA rules and set up. The FIBA court is too small (and the 3 point line too short) for modern freakish athletes. Even the NBA court is a bit outmoded and slightly too narrow for 2024 athletes, which is why players step out of bounds so often on the sidelines — but money (revenue from court side seats) stands in the way of improving that. FIBA’s legal knocking the ball off the rim rule also seems pretty dumb with modern basketball players. I’m also not a fan of players fouling out on their 5th foul, a rule that played a part in the US comeback yesterday as Jokic had to play less aggressively with 4 fouls. In general it’s fashionable to bash the NBA but overall, I think their rules make more sense for elite athletes. I’ve long wished they would widen the court. The other team sport I watch is soccer and when they play games on narrower fields in US football stadiums, the game suffers a little bit. When you have the most elite athletes playing your game, a bigger playing surface makes the game better. All starts from 3 second rule. Changed because of Shaq. Players were athlethic in 90s and early 2000's. They changed the only rule that makes sense and gives defense a chance. Modern athlete with crowded paint and hand check will need to go thru what Jordan was going thru in order to "dominate". You can watch what Luka said about NBA rules. How it's easy for him (the most unathlethic white dude) to exploit modern NBA defense by just counting and waiting for a big man to clear. Result is that you get all those "highlight" dunks/drives etc, which results in colapsing and much wider court. You watched the NBA finals? You watched that 3 point fiesta? You enjoyed it? I for sure did not. Also, 5 fouls because it's 40 minutes game. If it's 48 then it is logical to have 1 more foul available. I have no issue with 3 point line or 48 minute game, or even the amount of timeouts, TV timeouts and $ aspect of all of it. But defensive 3 second rule is something that changed the basketball, and sorry, in my book, it changed it to worse. I do agree on "knocking the ball off the rim" as stupid. But there is no way on earth you can convince me that the current NBA rules are perfectly suited for the game of basketball because they are not. Just as the NFL (Which i was a fan of as a Euro dude from Italy - go Bears) destroyed any joy i had watching it when they started protecting QB's like they are queens. 90s NBA and 90s NFL were way more enjoyable to watch even though one could argue that the current athletes are better overall. World has become to sensitive in every aspect of life, including sports. That's the sad part. |
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Post by scooter on Aug 9, 2024 13:47:45 GMT -5
Which “different” rules do you like better? In general, I prefer the NBA rules and set up. The FIBA court is too small (and the 3 point line too short) for modern freakish athletes. Even the NBA court is a bit outmoded and slightly too narrow for 2024 athletes, which is why players step out of bounds so often on the sidelines — but money (revenue from court side seats) stands in the way of improving that. FIBA’s legal knocking the ball off the rim rule also seems pretty dumb with modern basketball players. I’m also not a fan of players fouling out on their 5th foul, a rule that played a part in the US comeback yesterday as Jokic had to play less aggressively with 4 fouls. In general it’s fashionable to bash the NBA but overall, I think their rules make more sense for elite athletes. I’ve long wished they would widen the court. The other team sport I watch is soccer and when they play games on narrower fields in US football stadiums, the game suffers a little bit. When you have the most elite athletes playing your game, a bigger playing surface makes the game better. All starts from 3 second rule. Changed because of Shaq. Players were athlethic in 90s and early 2000's. They changed the only rule that makes sense and gives defense a chance. Modern athlete with crowded paint and hand check will need to go thru what Jordan was going thru in order to "dominate". You can watch what Luka said about NBA rules. How it's easy for him (the most unathlethic white dude) to exploit modern NBA defense by just counting and waiting for a big man to clear. Result is that you get all those "highlight" dunks/drives etc, which results in colapsing and much wider court. You watched the NBA finals? You watched that 3 point fiesta? You enjoyed it? I for sure did not. Also, 5 fouls because it's 40 minutes game. If it's 48 then it is logical to have 1 more foul available. I have no issue with 3 point line or 48 minute game, or even the amount of timeouts, TV timeouts and $ aspect of all of it. But defensive 3 second rule is something that changed the basketball, and sorry, in my book, it changed it to worse. I do agree on "knocking the ball off the rim" as stupid. But there is no way on earth you can convince me that the current NBA rules are perfectly suited for the game of basketball because they are not. Just as the NFL (Which i was a fan of as a Euro dude from Italy - go Bears) destroyed any joy i had watching it when they started protecting QB's like they are queens. 90s NBA and 90s NFL were way more enjoyable to watch even though one could argue that the current athletes are better overall. World has become to sensitive in every aspect of life, including sports. That's the sad part. That’s fair — you’ve pointed on one rule difference where you prefer the FIBA rules — defensive three seconds. The Celtics’ 5 out system is just something they’ve adopted but no other team is trying to do consistently. Lacking really good inside scorers against interior defenders — but already having a three point shooting center in Horford — Brad Stevens just devised this system, went out and got the players to play it, and got the coaching staff and team to commit to it. In part, it was designed to neutralize some of the teams Stevens thought posed the biggest threat to the Celtics — the Nuggets and TWolves and Bucks — by forcing those big teams to guard on the perimeter. Its very tough to put together a team that can do it, and the Celtics mostly sucked on offense in the playoffs whenever Porzingis couldn’t play (they won with defense and having an easy eastern conference road to the finals), so I’m not concluding that the other teams are all trying to copy that. On balance, I think the NBA is much better than in the 90’s. There is more depth of talent, the ball moves faster on a more spaced court, there are more teams with a chance to win, and there is more stylistic variety than there was in the 90’s. Small market teams like the Nuggets had very little chance to win in the 80’s and 90s. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Aug 9, 2024 20:09:08 GMT -5
lol, why are you tilted because of that tweet? I just find it funny and sensitive from KD. The thing is that i enjoyed that USA - Serbia game way more than any NBA game i watched recently. Man, i wish FIBA rules would apply on NBA floor. NBA and their rules are headead in direction of changing the game of basketball we all love to some type of WWE circus show. I think it honestly shows just how salty a lot of players are about Jokic being an equal to them. They can't handle it for some reason. The whole ordeal is a bunch of hype over nothing. The tweet KD was crying about wasn't even rooting against the US. Just gave some praise to serbia for hanging in there and making a game of it against the best team in the world. I will admit, I'm a natural US citizen and I was very much rooting for Serbia. Can't help it really. I've always been one to root for the underdog. I despise super teams and will only occasionally make exceptions when it's the Olympics, but the exceptions tend to be when I really like the people involved. We've had teams that I really loved and rooted for in the past. If it's a bunch of assholes that talk s**t to fans and join super teams so they can pound their chest like they're gods gift to mankind when they win, well I'm sorry but I'll be rooting for the other team. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 20:56:31 GMT -5
And that is how we come to my point. That the world has become to much sensitive about every litle thing. All the right values are gone with the wind of the "Weak new world".
Valor, chivalry, empathy, national pride, unity, faith in god and above all family values are all fading in favor of power and hedonism on global level.
In Sicily we have a centuries old tradition that vast majority of man and women are raised with in their minds, which is that you will be happy and rich in life if your family is big and most importantly united, in love and respect.
I would never root against Italy in any sport. But, as i said, just like in every other aspect in life, sport in general is accepting all kinds of decadence with open arms. These olympic games (and especially that decadent opening) is the living proof. When the world can accept that it is ok to have a biological man fighting versus woman in sport...i guess that i should accept as normal when people are rooting against their own country...
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 21:10:31 GMT -5
On the other hand, i am an hypocrite to talk about decadence when my ancestors were the ones that embraced and exported it as the world greatest power at the time. Now, when i think about it, ancient Rome, modern day USA and western europe are pretty much at the same point of insane amount of hunger for power, hedonism and decadence which eventually led to it own demise.
Sorry, i tooked a wrong turn at albuquerque from sports, just feeling a bit sad and depressed in general.
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Post by famicommander on Aug 9, 2024 21:13:00 GMT -5
When the world can accept that it is ok to have a biological man fighting versus woman in sport...i guess that i should accept as normal when people are rooting against their own country... This isn't even close to what happened. At all. Imane is a woman, has always been a woman, and the IBA (which is now banned from the Olympics for unrelated ethical reasons) only failed her on a gender test (and refused to say on what basis they failed her) when she beat a Russian fighter in the semi-finals of a tournament. Nobody cared at all until the Russian-backed organization got upset she beat a Russian fighter. And despite winning gold this time around, she competed and lost without a hint of controversy in the Tokyo Olympics and has lost fair and square to other women nine times in her career so far. Being trans isn't even legal in the country she was born in. Algeria wouldn't send a trans fighter to the Olympics, they'd send her to jail. If you want to see what happens when one of the greatest female fighters in the history of the world fights an average male fighter, look up what happened to the great Lucia Rijker when she tried it. If Imane were actually a man posing as a woman she'd knock out every single opponent she faced in the first round. You know nothing about boxing, and you allowed ignorant morons on the internet to whip you up into an anti-trans frenzy, despite the target of your attack not even being trans. She has a female reproductive system and faced all the same drug and hormone testing as every other athlete she competed against. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 21:18:57 GMT -5
fami i am not even aware of what you just said. I am not following boxing. I said fighting in terms of fighting in sport, not in martial arts. I meant every sport. I am not saying that we are at that point fully in every sport, but that we are on that trajectory 100%. I am sorry if i ofended you, but i am not sorry for saying that i accept only man and woman in this world of human beings. That is my stance and if you got offended, you just empower my original point that the world has become to sensitive for every litle thing.
Back to sports please. I posted that KD tweet as a joke response to rock saying that we play @suns on Christmas.
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Post by famicommander on Aug 9, 2024 21:24:09 GMT -5
fami i am not even aware of what you just said. I am not following boxing. I said fighting in terms of fighting in sport, not in martial arts. I meant every sport. I am not saying that we are at that point fully in every sport, but that we are on that trajectory 100%. I am sorry if i ofended you, but i am not sorry for saying that i accept only man and woman in this world of human beings. That is my stance and if you got offended, you just empower my original point that the world has become to sensitive for every litle thing. Back to sports please. I posted that KD tweet as a joke response to rock saying that we play @suns on Christmas. Don't try to backpeddle now. You mentioned men fighting women right after you complained about the opening ceremony, and there has been an extreme anti-trans backlash against a cisgendered woman in these very Olympic games. She won a gold medal today. You knew exactly what you were doing. As for the rest of your explanation for your plain and naked bigotry, save it. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 21:35:44 GMT -5
fami i am not even aware of what you just said. I am not following boxing. I said fighting in terms of fighting in sport, not in martial arts. I meant every sport. I am not saying that we are at that point fully in every sport, but that we are on that trajectory 100%. I am sorry if i ofended you, but i am not sorry for saying that i accept only man and woman in this world of human beings. That is my stance and if you got offended, you just empower my original point that the world has become to sensitive for every litle thing. Back to sports please. I posted that KD tweet as a joke response to rock saying that we play @suns on Christmas. Don't try to backpeddle now. You mentioned men fighting women right after you complained about the opening ceremony, and there has been an extreme anti-trans backlash against a cisgendered woman in these very Olympic games. She won a gold medal today. You knew exactly what you were doing. As for the rest of your explanation for your plain and naked bigotry, save it. Whatever dude. I am always speaking from my heart and my mind. I said what i said from my convictions and observations. I was not aware of that singular example you just named. I was disgusted with opening ceremony and i am disgusted with trans gender athletes. Bigotry you say? My lord and father is Jesus Christ and only he can judge me. That's all i have to say. |
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Post by famicommander on Aug 9, 2024 21:37:22 GMT -5
Don't try to backpeddle now. You mentioned men fighting women right after you complained about the opening ceremony, and there has been an extreme anti-trans backlash against a cisgendered woman in these very Olympic games. She won a gold medal today. You knew exactly what you were doing. As for the rest of your explanation for your plain and naked bigotry, save it. Whatever dude. I am always speaking from my heart and my mind. I said what i said from my convictions and observations. I was not aware of that singular example you just named. I was disgusted with opening ceremony and i am disgusted with trans gender athletes. Bigotry you say? My lord and father is Jesus Christ and only he can judge me. That's all i have to say. Yes, we know you're an ignorant bigot. No more words are necessary, your entire worldview is crystal clear. Enjoy being a horrible person. |
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Post by Dante on Aug 9, 2024 21:39:00 GMT -5
Whatever dude. I am always speaking from my heart and my mind. I said what i said from my convictions and observations. I was not aware of that singular example you just named. I was disgusted with opening ceremony and i am disgusted with trans gender athletes. Bigotry you say? My lord and father is Jesus Christ and only he can judge me. That's all i have to say. Yes, we know you're an ignorant bigot. No more words are necessary, your entire worldview is crystal clear. Enjoy being a horrible person. In the eyes of the almighty i am quite sure that you are an ignorant and horrible person, but that is your choice and your path. May the god be with you. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Aug 9, 2024 23:09:20 GMT -5
FWIW it's very hard to get clear information about Imane Khelif, because there has been so much intentional propaganda about her. What we know for sure is that she was considered a girl at birth, all through childhood, and through puberty, with her dad not permitting her to box because it's not for girls. She's not from a country that considers it legitimate to be transgender, and they won't issue new documents, so if her Algerian passport says female, that means she has always been considered female. We can also use our own eyes, and if you watch her fight without being told any of the current rumors, she doesn't look like a man. She has an ugly face, but that's not the same thing. If you watch featherweight men boxers, they hit a lot faster and harder and they move much quicker. If you watch Khelif, say vs Amy Broadhurst in 2022, she fights at the same kind of power/speed as other women. I asked the best martial artist I know [friend: "Carlos Machado is the fourth best martial artist I've ever trained with"; the person I asked was #1 on that list] to watch that video and then I told him about the allegations, and he was like "which one?" and he actually thought Broadhurst fought more masculine-like, and he thinks it's absolute nonsense that anyone would think Khelif is a male fighter. And at a height of 5'10" she's been fighting in the 60/63/66 kg weight categories in different competitions -- 135, 140, and 145 lbs as the upper limit. Someone who went through male puberty who is 5'10" and trains in serious muscle-building athletics will not weigh 135 lbs. I mean, I was that size when I was like ... 14 ... and I was the scrawniest weakling at school. A year of weightlifting and I was up to 175 lbs, and that was as a distance runner / swimmer with ultra-low body fat. Khelif isn't built like a man, just an ugly woman who is tall and whose boxing technique is very good. The IBA is also thoroughly corrupt (and they had motive to disqualify Khelif specifically in order to preserve the undefeated record for the Russian boxer she defeated) -- the IBA is run by a close Putin associate, sponsored by Russia's state oil company Gazprom, and had so many financial and boxing-related scandals that the Olympics decertified them back in 2019. And, furthermore, according to their own announcement about Khelif ( www.iba.sport/news/iba-clarifies-the-facts-the-letter-to-the-ioc-regarding-two-ineligible-boxers-was-sent-and-acknowledged/ ), they changed the rules, performing *new* tests on her (and Lin, who I have read less about) that haven't actually been released, and then changing their own guidelines after those test results came back, in order to retroactively disqualify both of them even though both qualified under their existing rules. Now, it is possible Khelif has a genuine genetic abnormality -- the IBA might actually be telling the truth. It's actually possible to be what we call "phenotypically female" (meaning, having a female body, including menstruation and ability to bear children, which is what we'd consider "female" for the entirety of human history before we knew what X and Y chromosomes were) while also being "karyotypically male" (meaning, having a Y chromosome with an intact SRY gene) -- there are several possible disorders that can lead to that, and while it's rare, it does happen (see eg www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/ ). So maybe the IBA isn't lying. Maybe they really did detect a Y chromosome and high testosterone. But it's completely possible to have that in a phenotypic female who has damaged testosterone receptors -- in essence, the body's hormones would be saying "you should grow as a male" but the cells are like "IDK what to do with testosterone" so the processes that result in male organs, male puberty, male fast-twitch muscle growth, etc. never happen. This is, of course, speculative -- it's plausible the IBA just straight up lied, but it's also plausible that Khelif is what we'd call a "true XY female" who has no "male athletic advantage" whatsoever. Which makes the phrase "biological male" pretty reductionist. |
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