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Post by famicommander on Aug 7, 2024 21:56:52 GMT -5
You don't just tally up the assists to decide who the point guard is. "The Celtics didn't need any point guards except for the three they played and two they started in every single game" Hence why I gave you front court touches too. You know, the guys with the ball in their hand in the half court making most of the crucial decisions. Derek Fisher was more important than Shaq and Kobe because he played PG. I mean give me a f***ing break dude. What do you want from the Nuggets? If your biggest concern about the team is their 3rd string PG sucks, you're not paying attention to the s**t that really matters. Be concerned that the starting PG of the team is going to get a max contract after playing the worst basketball of his career in the playoffs and then the Olympics. That's the only thing that matters for the Nuggets right now. The Nuggets could have the best guard depth in the history of the NBA and aren't winning a Championship if Murray has another playoff performance like last year. You know why Fisher was on the court instead of another big or another wing? You know why Mario Chalmers was on the court for the Heat? You know what, you probably don't, so never mind. |
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Post by Ring on Aug 7, 2024 21:58:31 GMT -5
Hence why I gave you front court touches too. You know, the guys with the ball in their hand in the half court making most of the crucial decisions. Derek Fisher was more important than Shaq and Kobe because he played PG. I mean give me a f***ing break dude. What do you want from the Nuggets? If your biggest concern about the team is their 3rd string PG sucks, you're not paying attention to the s**t that really matters. Be concerned that the starting PG of the team is going to get a max contract after playing the worst basketball of his career in the playoffs and then the Olympics. That's the only thing that matters for the Nuggets right now. The Nuggets could have the best guard depth in the history of the NBA and aren't winning a Championship if Murray has another playoff performance like last year. You know why Fisher was on the court instead of another big or another wing? You know why Mario Chalmers was on the court for the Heat? You know what, you probably don't, so never mind. Mario Chalmers. I rest my case. |
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Post by famicommander on Aug 7, 2024 22:03:03 GMT -5
You know why Fisher was on the court instead of another big or another wing? You know why Mario Chalmers was on the court for the Heat? You know what, you probably don't, so never mind. Mario Chalmers. I rest my case. Yes, Mario Chalmers. 2X NBA champion Mario Chalmers. What the hell were Pat Riley, Eric Spoelstra, and LeBron James doing playing that bum point guard instead of another 6'8" forward? Were they stupid? It's a miracle it worked out for them! |
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Post by scooter on Aug 7, 2024 22:37:43 GMT -5
I'm hoping Murray going from an NBA Champion to the #1 reason a team got bounced and didn't win a Championship will be the wake up call he needs, but the Olympics have me thinking that Murray may still be asleep. It’s far more likely that “sleep” and “wake up call” has nothing to do with any of this and that Murray is just prone to leg injuries and hasn’t been healthy for awhile. I do know that you can’t do “more training” if you have shin splints, which was one of Murray’s injuries last season. Treatment for that is the old “RICE” — rest, ice, compression, elevation. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 7, 2024 23:07:08 GMT -5
LaMelo Ball, anyone? Injured all the time the past two years with bad ankles. Curry had ankle issues early. No doubt when both are healthy, Ball is better than Murray. But Murray plays better in postseason than in RS when healthy. If a trade centered on Murray for Ball were on the table, would you do it?
I wouldn’t, unless you can guarantee me Ball is past his issues. Played only 22 games last season. 58 games last two seasons combined. But he’s only 23 next season and is reportedly gonna be ready for training camp, saying his ankle is feeling better. A true AllStar, Ring, if he’s available.
Would this be something Nuggets should do?
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Post by somborshuffle on Aug 7, 2024 23:31:50 GMT -5
We know Murray is good enough to be a no.2 to a generational player on a Championship team. We've seen it. It's happened.
And he's still only 27yrs old.
There likely is no trade out there involving Murray that would improve the Nuggets.
All the max players out there are either a) better than Murray and would never be traded or b) overpaid and/or not the right pick and roll fit next to Jokic
So the path is for Jamal Murray and the Nuggets strength and conditioning team to get Jamal into peak shape for a whole season. He needs to display the same professionalism as Jokic. He sure is getting paid enough money to expect that in return.
MPJ remains the trade option to improve the team. When I see someone like Collin Sexton getting paid half of what MPJ is it's genuinely upsetting because he's exactly what we need and would mean we could also have another player like Bruce Brown back on the roster.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 8, 2024 2:13:43 GMT -5
Is there any way for us to have cap space for supermax luka in 2026?
Might as well just wait out since Booth bottled these years
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 8, 2024 2:16:11 GMT -5
Here is the list of NBA PGs who have a proven ability to be the starting PG on a championship team and have a realistic shot at another one: Jrue Holiday (who is 34), Jamal Murray. (One can argue Kyrie Irving, although he’s a small 32 year old guard and isn’t playing point guard on his current team). End of list. One can argue for other lead guards (of course there are guys I like) but until you’ve seen them win 4 playoff series in a row, the jury is out on whether they ever will. Bro you are unbelievable Either you dont think Jokic is super insanely good at basketball or you just ignore it to prove some kind of whacky point. Put Jamal Murray on any other team and does he still make that list? |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Aug 8, 2024 2:17:45 GMT -5
Steph Curry would also be on that list, even at his age. But Steph isn't being traded, and even if he was he makes too much to be traded for Jamal. (inb4 someone starts putting together Jamal + MPJ for Steph + Looney trades) Not on my list just because he doesn’t have a realistic shot at another title, in part because he’s not getting traded and won’t win another one with the Warriors. But he’s been bad in the Olympics and since he’s 36 it’s reasonable to wonder if the expiration date has passed on him winning in June at the end of an 8 month season. AND NOW the olympics matter 😂😂 |
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Post by JB on Aug 8, 2024 8:01:54 GMT -5
This is absolutely ludicrous. They started both Holiday and White, while Pritchard played in 18 playoff games too. They literally played three point guards. Not having one specific point guard have to bring the ball up every single time up the court is not at all the same thing as not having a true point guard. It's like you're not at all acknowledging that the Celtics relied heavily upon the ball handling, shooting, vocal communication, and playmaking of those three guys. Do you think the Celtics still win the championship with CB and Strawther instead of Holiday and White? I mean what the hell are you even saying? Do you not understand how colossally boned we are if either Murray or Westbrook miss significant time this year? The value of White and Holiday was in their perimeter defense and their intangibles. Not in their ball handling/play making. Tatum and Brown lead the team in assists and did most of the heavy lifting in terms of running offense. Also, Murray is going to miss time. He misses time every year. And the Nuggets will be fine because they have Jokic. But come playoff time will they be fine if Murray isn't healthy/playing at 90% of his peak level? No. Because you cannot win in the NBA playoffs if your stars don't show up. Depth doesn't win Championships. Stars do. Hence why Calvin should not just be running to the podium to give Murray a max contract. Jamal Murray is not a max player, just like MPJ is not a max player. Stop f***ing ruining Jokics prime with subpar talent around him. Giannis got Dame. Embiid got Harden. Steph got KD. Lebron got AD. Luka got Kyrie. Can we add that level of star to the Denver Nuggets please? I count one Disney Hotel championship from that list you posted (KD's rings count like me beating a game with a sheet of cheat codes count). |
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Post by Dante on Aug 8, 2024 9:45:56 GMT -5
If there is an all star with similar skill set as prime CP3 or to some degree even prime Kyle Lowry, i would explore that type of trade for Jamal.
THERE IS SIMPLY NO PLAYERS IN THE NBA WITH THE SAME VALUE IN RETURN FOR JAMAL TO EXPLORE ANY REALISTIC TRADE!
It is stupid to talk about it now ( and i know it will be the main subject for the rest of the regular season here).
Like i said. It is stupid to trade Jamal and it is stupid to max him. We must chose one of those options. So, max him out, hope that Felipe and Westbrook + his public humiliation to a certain degree can lit the fire for his work ethic in the gym and pray for the best.
We could have traded Barton and Garris for Jrue in 2019. We could have picked DM instead of Owl tattoo dude and Trey Lyles. We could have picked OG....and many many other things in retrospective, but crying about the mistakes in the past will not make our future any better. Guess what, we could have picked some dude that would not be even playing professional basketball at the moment instead of some dude at 41st overall in 2014.
Tables are set. Pray for the best. All i pray for is that the max Jamal will 100% be offered and that he will sign, to have incentives around games played and TO for the last year. Times when we need to "show good faith" to "our" guys is long gone. We are a championship caliber team with a generational player in his prime. Act accordingly.
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Post by JB on Aug 8, 2024 9:47:52 GMT -5
never thought I'd see the day where I'd be liking Dante posts about Jamal, but that's how unhinged the narrative has become surrounding Murray.
#1 Dante fan
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Post by Dante on Aug 8, 2024 9:55:57 GMT -5
never thought I'd see the day where I'd be liking Dante posts about Jamal, but that's how unhinged the narrative has become surrounding Murray. #1 Dante fan And, the reason for that, my friend, is, that you always read my posts with heart and what "sticks" out to you as an insult to a certain player or our general manager. Even though you and many others labeled me as "Jokic fan" and not a Denver Nuggets fan, i am sorry to inform you, you are wrong. All i care about is, what is best for OUR team, and i write my posts with both my heart AND my mind, using logic, arguments and reality of present situations. |
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Post by JB on Aug 8, 2024 10:01:08 GMT -5
no, it's because you're no longer arguing stuff like we can trade Jamal and MPJ for defensive role players and cruise to a championship.
I'm very consistent my friend, even though we've locked horns many times over the past, I will gladly give you props if you present an intelligent argument.
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Post by Dante on Aug 8, 2024 10:07:57 GMT -5
no, it's because you're no longer arguing stuff like we can trade Jamal and MPJ for defensive role players and cruise to a championship. I'm very consistent my friend, even though we've locked horns many times over the past, I will gladly give you props if you present an intelligent argument. And i still stand behind what i wrote in "hypothetical" (not realistic) trade in which we could swap Jamal and MPJ for White/Bogdanovic and Markannen, would make us a better team. In no realistic world i see that those 3 players would not be upgrade over Jamal and MPJ, yet, you argued opposite with heart over logic. But, that is how i view things. I can accept that you have blind faith in Jamal and that he will rise again to what he has shown us that he is capable of. For me, just like that year and last years playoffs, proved me what i always felt about Jamal. That is that when he is on, there is few, if any players in the NBA that can match his production, but his floor is comparable to 3rd string point guards for tanking teams sadly. That is the truth as well. |
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Post by GBG on Aug 8, 2024 11:30:52 GMT -5
So I guess LaMelo Ball is out of the question! 🤣😉
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Post by scooter on Aug 8, 2024 11:33:02 GMT -5
Here is the list of NBA PGs who have a proven ability to be the starting PG on a championship team and have a realistic shot at another one: Jrue Holiday (who is 34), Jamal Murray. (One can argue Kyrie Irving, although he’s a small 32 year old guard and isn’t playing point guard on his current team). End of list. One can argue for other lead guards (of course there are guys I like) but until you’ve seen them win 4 playoff series in a row, the jury is out on whether they ever will. Bro you are unbelievable Either you dont think Jokic is super insanely good at basketball or you just ignore it to prove some kind of whacky point. Put Jamal Murray on any other team and does he still make that list? It doesn’t matter whether Murray makes that list on another team. He makes the list on this team, which was put together with complementary parts to be a winning team. You can change out Nuggets players for other talented players and the team is less good for winning because the fit isn’t as good and/or the “other talented players” are not great playoff performers or at least not on this team. For example, other PGs may be better iso players but that doesn’t fit well with Jokic. Jokic is insanely good at basketball but he can’t do it all and can’t win titles alone. The guys around him have to fit well and also be committed to playing winning basketball, as opposed to maximizing their individual games and stats. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 8, 2024 12:29:19 GMT -5
Bro you are unbelievable Either you dont think Jokic is super insanely good at basketball or you just ignore it to prove some kind of whacky point. Put Jamal Murray on any other team and does he still make that list? It doesn’t matter whether Murray makes that list on another team. He makes the list on this team, which was put together with complementary parts to be a winning team. You can change out Nuggets players for other talented players and the team is less good for winning because the fit isn’t as good and/or the “other talented players” are not great playoff performers or at least not on this team. For example, other PGs may be better iso players but that doesn’t fit well with Jokic. Jokic is insanely good at basketball but he can’t do it all and can’t win titles alone. The guys around him have to fit well and also be committed to playing winning basketball, as opposed to maximizing their individual games and stats. You assume the fit woukdnt be as good. That just begs the question. There's plenty of other guards who would "fit" just as well if not better. Murray is a not a top 10 pg in the league those other 10-12 guards woukd all or most fit as well or better then Murray. |
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Post by JB on Aug 8, 2024 12:44:57 GMT -5
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Post by wizardofcozz on Aug 8, 2024 15:50:45 GMT -5
Bogdanovic would be so good on DEN.
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