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Post by JB on May 21, 2024 7:12:23 GMT -5
the Nuggets would have more success trading Mike for a player of Bridges' caliber if they lost to the Lakers in the first round.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 21, 2024 8:46:14 GMT -5
Nice but impossible as Nuggets can't trade the 2026 1st round pick ahead of time since they already traded away the 2025 and 2027 picks...hence making 2026 ineligible. Correct. I didn't see that till after I had posted. But here are just some salaries that add up to MPJ's to get an idea how overpaid MPJ is. SAS - Keldon Johns, Devonte Graham, Zach Collins ATL - Bojan and Dejounte WASH - Jones, Bagley, Wright TOR - Bruce Brown and Olynyk CHI - Derozan and Caruso UTA - Markkanen and Sexton MEM- Kennard and Smart POR - Grant or Brogdon + Williams or Thybulle. |
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Post by GBG on May 21, 2024 9:58:03 GMT -5
Nice but impossible as Nuggets can't trade the 2026 1st round pick ahead of time since they already traded away the 2025 and 2027 picks...hence making 2026 ineligible. Also, this means we can’t trade our 2024 pick either, if I’m not mistaken, since we dealt our 2025 pick. We will be picking at #28 overall. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 21, 2024 10:39:52 GMT -5
Nice but impossible as Nuggets can't trade the 2026 1st round pick ahead of time since they already traded away the 2025 and 2027 picks...hence making 2026 ineligible. Also, this means we can’t trade our 2024 pick either, if I’m not mistaken, since we dealt our 2025 pick. We will be picking at #28 overall. We can trade our 2024 pick during the draft (once the pick is made), just not before. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 21, 2024 11:29:18 GMT -5
Also, this means we can’t trade our 2024 pick either, if I’m not mistaken, since we dealt our 2025 pick. We will be picking at #28 overall. We can trade our 2024 pick during the draft (once the pick is made), just not before. Posted this on the 2024 playoff thread, so thought I'd post here. I would totally swing for Bogi and Deandre Hunter from ATL? Is ATL going into a rebuild? Would love to get those 2 for MPJ maybe they can give MPJ freedom to showcase his talents alongside say Murray if they move off of Young??? |
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Post by sawyeral on May 21, 2024 13:47:21 GMT -5
the Nuggets would have more success trading Mike for a player of Bridges' caliber if they lost to the Lakers in the first round. His value might never be higher. He just played 81 games, still has a ton of teaser potential and is very young. Only downside is his contract value. |
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Post by TNF on May 21, 2024 14:10:50 GMT -5
There can't be too many Nuggets fans left who would fight to keep MPJ. Despite his smooth stroke and other gradual improvements, the guy can't make shots in most playoff series.
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Post by somborshuffle on May 21, 2024 14:52:21 GMT -5
He was absolutely awesome vs the Lakers, too. (As he usually is).
I thought he'd turned a corner. Alas he was absolutely atrocious vs Minnesota.
Literally, Tobias Harris levels of awful.
Such a letdown.
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 21, 2024 15:31:50 GMT -5
Wolves also played great defense
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Post by JB on May 21, 2024 15:52:31 GMT -5
MPJ shot 35% on wide open 3s (6+ feet) against the Wolves
Gordon shot 60% on wide open 3s
it's clearly a mental issue when it comes to Mike, like when his offense fell apart during the finals. we had Bruce to mitigate his fall off then, but we needed him to perform this time around and he again proved his unreliability. it's time to move on.
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Post by AbdulJabber on May 21, 2024 19:14:56 GMT -5
MPJ shot 35% on wide open 3s (6+ feet) against the Wolves Gordon shot 60% on wide open 3s it's clearly a mental issue when it comes to Mike, like when his offense fell apart during the finals. we had Bruce to mitigate his fall off then, but we needed him to perform this time around and he again proved his unreliability. it's time to move on. Gonna push back on this. There could be a pattern here with porter, but 3 point shooting is always a mental thing to some extent. Guys are gonna have ups and downs. Outside of AG, CB, Holiday and Jackson making 3's in this series, KCP, Jok and Murray were also terrible. 31-101 combined. They were almost all "good" shots. I think Malone is the one that choked in this series. We were getting great energy from the bench and then completely neglected it even though it was pretty clear that the starters were running out of gas. Malone almost seems delusional when it comes to fatigue. He has this idea that our players all have super-human endurance, but that clearly isn't the case. Jok spent most of the second half behind the 3 point line. The energy wasn't there and it was evident several times throughout the series. Don't want to bang this drum too much, but 3 point shooting is a symptom, not a cause. Treat it as a cause and we'll be in a perpetual cycle of disappointment in the playoffs when everyone runs out of gas and the shots don't fall. |
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Post by JB on May 21, 2024 19:48:23 GMT -5
you're correct in theory that basketball is a rhythm game, but Mike is a special case where his bad shooting has a cascading effect on the rest of his game, so if he's bricking shots he's not rebounding the ball or playing adequate defense -- as opposed to say Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, who is playing with effort on the defensive end even if he goes 0-100. and Mike is prone to prolong funks which is why he was terrible in 5 out of 7 games in the series.
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Post by TNF on May 21, 2024 20:29:16 GMT -5
Some good observations from the DNVR crew.
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Post by GBG on May 21, 2024 20:44:58 GMT -5
you're correct in theory that basketball is a rhythm game, but Mike is a special case where his bad shooting has a cascading effect on the rest of his game, so if he's bricking shots he's not rebounding the ball or playing adequate defense -- as opposed to say Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, who is playing with effort on the defensive end even if he goes 0-100. and Mike is prone to prolong funks which is why he was terrible in 5 out of 7 games in the series. This is demonstrably false, or at least was in the Finals last year. MPJ was slumping with his 3, yet played solid defense and rebounded well against the Heat. He even penetrated and scored 2’s well, once on a key breakaway after a steal in the deciding game. Your memory is selective, and this is quite obviously recency bias. |
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Post by JB on May 21, 2024 20:59:51 GMT -5
he rebounded well in two games, which coincidentally were the two games (G1 & G5) where he scored the highest amount of points
game 2 2-8 FG 5 points 6 rebounds
game 3 1-7 FG 2 points 7 rebounds
game 4 4-10 FG 11 points 3 rebounds
if you say, "Malone didn't play him a ton of minutes in these games", well there's a reason for that. he wasn't contributing in other areas and Malone is not going to play that version of Mike if he has options.
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Post by passtheballquick on May 21, 2024 21:48:00 GMT -5
He was absolutely awesome vs the Lakers, too. (As he usually is). I thought he'd turned a corner. Alas he was absolutely atrocious vs Minnesota. Literally, Tobias Harris levels of awful. Such a letdown. Mental midget. I woudn't believe him even if he averaged 30ppg during the regular season. Can't handle the ball, can't shoot under the pressure, can't guard anybody, can't rebound, lost for half of the time on the floor. We need to dispatch him while people are looking at his stat line |
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Post by JB on May 22, 2024 8:18:12 GMT -5
streamable.com/ng4iv3yeah, like waiting for Joker and Murray to die of exhaustion. must be nice though. Jamal goes 4/18 and the Nuggets lose by 60. Ant goes 6/24 and his supporting cast carries him and allows him to run laps like he was MJ scoring the series winner over Craig Ehlo.
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Post by TNF on May 22, 2024 8:36:34 GMT -5
I too think it's time to move on from MPJ. Of course, I don't want to dump him for garbage. We need to get something at least halfway decent back. Did he improve defensively as well as passing and rebounding this year? Yes, he did. Does he still go into shooting slumps which affect his overall game? Yes. Is he the main person to "blame"? No. I put this on Malone. We got lucky last year to win when Malone was killing our players and it was unlikely to work again. PLAY THE FREAKING BENCH ALL YEAR so they can be ready at the end of the year and f**k the overall record and seedings.
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Post by JB on May 22, 2024 8:53:40 GMT -5
agreed.
Dallas just won two straight series' without homecourt advantage and they have every reason to be confident against the Tpups. Malone gunning for a top seed resulted in exactly jack s**t.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 22, 2024 9:08:00 GMT -5
streamable.com/ng4iv3yeah, like waiting for Joker and Murray to die of exhaustion. must be nice though. Jamal goes 4/18 and the Nuggets lose by 60. Ant goes 6/24 and his supporting cast carries him and allows him to run laps like he was MJ scoring the series winner over Craig Ehlo. That's my thing. Unfortunately MIN haas ANT for 13 Mil a year because he's on his rookie contract. Once they have to start paying everyone they're going to struggle to keep the talent in their role players. We would of been in MIN shoes but wasted the cheap rookie contract years on Murray and Poter's injuries. |
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