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Post by jimijam28 on May 20, 2024 14:47:54 GMT -5
I was bored with this season
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 20, 2024 14:49:21 GMT -5
People can talk the star players all they want, but at end of the day. MIN can withstand Edwards shooting 6/24 from the field and 2/10 from 3. Towns stepped up for MIN immensely. Jaden McDaniels had 21 pts and 23 pts in the final two games. He's like their 4th man offensively. Now they going to have to pay people going forward, and they may keep this together, but whataeever they decide they're stuck with. Conley isn't getting younger and Towns is injury prone, but if theey keep it all together and stay healthy they're going to be really tough to beat. We need another scorer on this team!
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Post by BBBbbb on May 20, 2024 14:57:29 GMT -5
one thing to remember - we have a chance to retain this roster and possibly find a usable bench players (or PWat or Strawther become playoff rotation guys).
Minny is losing at least one of the KAT or Conley, and if it's Conley then someone else from the rotation as well.
Flipping KAT does not guarantee a good return because they need to downsize the salary there.
So all in all, it's not that terrible as it might seem. Our competition, apart from OKC if you want to put them in that category, is not in a much better position...
Running it back with this bunch might not be as bad as it seems right now.
P.S. Also don't expect that we can easily flip MPJ's contract and get a good return.
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Post by duh88 on May 20, 2024 15:09:30 GMT -5
Perspective:
Steph Curry won his first championship at age 28, just like Jokic, and then lost the next one.
Calvin basically said at the beginning of the season that this was a redshirt year, because so many rookies would be developing.
I think Strawther is going to have a great year next year, as will PWat. Weâre really going to see Calvinâs strategy of filling the roster with good players on rookie contracts work out well next year, when Braun, PWat and Straw are all getting meaningful mins.
This roster honestly doesnât need a ton of retooling. As other said, we simply need a (preferably) PG off the bench who can just drive to the basket, 15 times per game - itâll relieve both jokic and Murray. FA Candidates for that?
Bruce Brown (it TOR doesnât pickup option)
Malachi Flynn
KJ Martin (not a pg)
Jose Alvarado
Lonnie Walker
Alec Burks
Josh Richardson
Spencer Dinwiddie
Buddy Hield
Lastly -
If none above can be secured, why not kick the tires on Bol Bol? Dude has developed. He would love to give a team 10 to 15 mins per game or just scoring and shot blocking - no matter what team he plays, heâs always a matchup problem.
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Post by duh88 on May 20, 2024 15:10:24 GMT -5
one thing to remember - we have a chance to retain this roster and possibly find a usable bench players (or PWat or Strawther become playoff rotation guys). Minny is losing at least one of the KAT or Conley, and if it's Conley then someone else from the rotation as well. Flipping KAT does not guarantee a good return because they need to downsize the salary there. So all in all, it's not that terrible as it might seem. Our competition, apart from OKC if you want to put them in that category, is not in a much better position... Running it back with this bunch might not be as bad as it seems right now. P.S. Also don't expect that we can easily flip MPJ's contract and get a good return. I did say minny could run it back - but even if Conley comes back, heâs absolutely aging. So yes - minny will have vulnerabilities next year. Although - I wonder if we could steal Conley! |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 20, 2024 15:13:52 GMT -5
one thing to remember - we have a chance to retain this roster and possibly find a usable bench players (or PWat or Strawther become playoff rotation guys). Minny is losing at least one of the KAT or Conley, and if it's Conley then someone else from the rotation as well. Flipping KAT does not guarantee a good return because they need to downsize the salary there. So all in all, it's not that terrible as it might seem. Our competition, apart from OKC if you want to put them in that category, is not in a much better position... Running it back with this bunch might not be as bad as it seems right now. P.S. Also don't expect that we can easily flip MPJ's contract and get a good return. I think they can actually retain everyone. They may lose Monte Morris and Slo Mo, but they can keep evereyone else, theey'll go second apron, and won't have any flexibility going forward, but they will have the ability to keep their core if they so desire. Issue becomes they will lose RS depth and Conley and Gobert get a year older and Towns is injury prone. Hypothetically they bring those back but lose Morris and Slo Mo, and then have an injury and then they're in trouble with no ability to fix it. |
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Post by scooter on May 20, 2024 15:23:12 GMT -5
What was so terrible about RJ for $5 mil this season? He played in every single game, regular season and playoffs, and averaged 10 points (shooting 43/36/81), 3.8 assists and only 1.3 turnovers over 82 regular season games. He was less valuable in the playoffs, which is also true of 80-90% of the bench players in the league. Taking into the teamâs desperate need for a veteran backup PG and the fact Reggie at least played every game this season â which was immensely important since the Nuggets had only rookies otherwise on the PG depth chart â I donât actually think there were ever many better players available to the team for the TMLE last summer. Am I missing something here? Give me the argument the team would have been better off signing Malik Beasley (or Mo Bamba or Jae Crowder or Harry Giles or Taj Gibson . . .) off the scrap heap and playing Pickett all season at backup PG. the Nuggets had no backup PG this year. Reggie's primarily role was to stagger with Jokic while Jamal played the backup PG. Reggie was so bad, Malone was forced to use Joker to prop him up while Jamal performed two roles in the rotation. this process ran our starters ragged in the regular season and the crescendo was watching them figuratively die of exhaustion in the playoffs. the Nuggets would have been better off with quite literally any other player that did not require to be propped up in such a damaging manner. So Jackson wasnât enough of a âpure PGâ because he sometimes shared the court with Jokic and/or Murray. He still managed to average 6.1 assists per 36 (only 2.1 turnovers), which is more than D. White, C. White, Rozier, Irving, Curry, Fox, Maxey, Quickley, Dinwiddie, Nembhard, Payne, Lowry, Graham, Pritchard, J. Holiday, Beverly, McCollum, Exum, Morris, Smart, C. Anthony, D. Mitchell, Alvarado, Simons, Dosunmo, and Mann to name a few PGs (all of whom played regularly this season; there are others who missed more games) around the league. He wasnât great, but what great (and reliably available) backup PG are you getting off of the TMLE scrap heap? The argument is that the lack of a âmore trueâ (I guess) backup PG wore Murray out, so how could the Nuggets have used that TMLE slot on a player at a different position? The Nuggets are short on ballhandlers, no? Again, while not arguing that Jackson was great, I am pointing out that he had a 3:1 A/To ratio and with an assist rate similar to that of SGA (6.6 per 36) surely he must have been doing some point guarding, no? Or did he pay off all of the official scorers into giving him assists he didnât deserve? |
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Post by BBBbbb on May 20, 2024 15:33:48 GMT -5
one thing to remember - we have a chance to retain this roster and possibly find a usable bench players (or PWat or Strawther become playoff rotation guys). Minny is losing at least one of the KAT or Conley, and if it's Conley then someone else from the rotation as well. Flipping KAT does not guarantee a good return because they need to downsize the salary there. So all in all, it's not that terrible as it might seem. Our competition, apart from OKC if you want to put them in that category, is not in a much better position... Running it back with this bunch might not be as bad as it seems right now. P.S. Also don't expect that we can easily flip MPJ's contract and get a good return. I think they can actually retain everyone. They may lose Monte Morris and Slo Mo, but they can keep evereyone else, theey'll go second apron, and won't have any flexibility going forward, but they will have the ability to keep their core if they so desire.  Issue becomes they will lose RS depth and Conley and Gobert get a year older and Towns is injury prone. Hypothetically they bring those back but lose Morris and Slo Mo, and then have an injury and then they're in trouble with no ability to fix it. Theoretically itâs possible but do you realistically see Minnyâs owner (or owners or whatever happens) doing that? Not all teams have GSW type of owners. And as you said it is extremely risky to do it as you rely on old and injury prone players to play heavy minutes throughout the season. |
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Post by JB on May 20, 2024 15:57:02 GMT -5
I would classify passing the ball to Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray as the easiest job in the world.
Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic the floor had a 6.97 NEtrtg. Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic off the floor had a -5.75 Netrtg. Nikola Jokic with Reggie off the floor had a 14.56 Netrtg
Reggie Jackson is a fundamentally worse basketball player than Facu Compazzo. he was an abject disaster when Jokic wasn't on the floor to prop him up and when Joker was saddled with him, he had the magical effect of depressing Jokic's impact significantly.
without looking it up, I would have attempted to sign Dennis Schroder with the TPMLE (the Jokic stimulus package would interest him after turning down 84m) or sign a player like Mason Plumlee and trade for Monte during the deadline, who was had for absolutely nothing.
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Post by BBBbbb on May 20, 2024 15:59:45 GMT -5
I would classify passing the ball to Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray as the easiest job in the world. Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic the floor had a 6.97 NEtrtg. Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic off the floor had a -5.75 Netrtg. Nikola Jokic with Reggie off the floor had a 14.56 Netrtg Reggie Jackson is a fundamentally worse basketball player than Facu Compazzo. he was an abject disaster when Jokic wasn't on the floor to prop him up and when Joker was saddled with him, he had the magical effect of depressing Jokic's impact significantly. without looking it up, I would have signed either Dennis Schroder with the TPMLE or sign a player like Mason Plumlee and trade for Monte during the deadline, who was had for absolutely nothing. Please no Plumlee, Iâm not over that defensive blunder nor my eyes bleeding when he goes to the FT line |
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Post by JB on May 20, 2024 16:02:02 GMT -5
I would classify passing the ball to Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray as the easiest job in the world. Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic the floor had a 6.97 NEtrtg. Reggie Jackson with Nikola Jokic off the floor had a -5.75 Netrtg. Nikola Jokic with Reggie off the floor had a 14.56 Netrtg Reggie Jackson is a fundamentally worse basketball player than Facu Compazzo. he was an abject disaster when Jokic wasn't on the floor to prop him up and when Joker was saddled with him, he had the magical effect of depressing Jokic's impact significantly. without looking it up, I would have signed either Dennis Schroder with the TPMLE or sign a player like Mason Plumlee and trade for Monte during the deadline, who was had for absolutely nothing. Please no Plumlee, Iâm not over that defensive blunder nor my eyes bleeding when he goes to the FT line I only mention Plum because we have documented proof of him and Monte playing not terrible together. but any decent backup center for the TPMLE and trading for a decent PG would have been preferable to Reggie. |
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Post by passtheballquick on May 20, 2024 16:49:11 GMT -5
I would do it in a heart beat. Mental midget needs to be dispatched while healthy. Hawks FO seems to be bad enough so we can get Bogdanovic and OO for him. Bogdanovic has 10x mental strength of mpj and OO can replace Jokic off the bench. You do many things with mpj trade this way or another |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 20, 2024 16:56:56 GMT -5
I think they can actually retain everyone. They may lose Monte Morris and Slo Mo, but they can keep evereyone else, theey'll go second apron, and won't have any flexibility going forward, but they will have the ability to keep their core if they so desire.  Issue becomes they will lose RS depth and Conley and Gobert get a year older and Towns is injury prone. Hypothetically they bring those back but lose Morris and Slo Mo, and then have an injury and then they're in trouble with no ability to fix it. Theoretically itâs possible but do you realistically see Minnyâs owner (or owners or whatever happens) doing that? Not all teams have GSW type of owners. And as you said it is extremely risky to do it as you rely on old and injury prone players to play heavy minutes throughout the season. We'll see what they want to do. I heard that's why sale when on hiatus that incoming group wasn't going to pay for roster soxthat Taylor started looking for another buyer. I don't know what they'll do. BUT THEY CAN keep their not sure they will. If they lose any of NAW, Reid, or McDaniels that's a huge boon for us. |
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Post by sawyeral on May 20, 2024 17:01:48 GMT -5
Anyone who casts this season as a failure worth heavy criticism ignores the reality of the difficulty of winning a championship, let alone two back to back. I consider this season a success overall. Won 57 games, tying a franchise record, had an excellent post-ASB run and got to within one good fourth quarter of making WCF for third time in the 2020âs. Winning a championship require health luck. Which we had in spades in 2023, but not as much this year. Murray probably was at 75% health throughout this postseason, so we didnât get Playoff Murray. That alone made it a near-impossibility to repeat. KCP had three injuries he played with (ankle, abdomen, finger), RJ had a calf and ankle, who knows what else affected the play of MPJ and AG. In 2023, we had none of these physical issues. The other luck factor is matchup luck. We didnât face any team in 2023 that was as much of a matchup challenge to us that the Wolves were. Do we win the chip if we played the 2024 Wolves in 2023 ? I wonder. Booth could have done better with the draft and roster spot management. Thatâs the only critique that is really valid. But itâs also hindsight. We were so excited about Tyson after Summer League, and he gave us nothing this season. Strawther had flashes but did little after his own injury. Pickett couldnât play with the big team outside garbage time. CG played pretty well in a couple games, but wasnât available for playoffs. Booth will hopefully have more success this summer. In the meantime, I enjoyed watching nearly every game this season, and as an older retired guy, thatâs all I can reasonably ask for. This is pretty spot on, and I feel will be what most of us come around to as the sting wears off. Would it surprise anyone if Minny crushes Dallas and beats Boston in 5 or 6? And we came within a breath of beating them, even though we were down 0-2. This team has a lot of mettle, but we needed an X factor... MPJ/KCP/AG in game 7. Or just as easily, McDaniels or KAT not having amazing games offensively would probably have been enough to eek out a win. Hurts like f***ing hell today, not gonna lie. Enjoyed suffering through it with y'all though. Never knew what it felt like to root for a defending champion all year, and now we do. Some really great teams never won one. Barkley's Suns, Payton SuperSonics, Durant's OKC, Nash's '7 seconds or less' Suns, Pippen/Wallace Trailblazers, Divac/Bibby Sacramento Kings, etc. Those fan bases are all wondering to this day about what ifs. 'What if this guy didn't have a terrible game?' 'What if we could have just avoided this team or snuck past these guys...would've been champs'. We don't have to feel that way cause our team did it. Would've been nice to get past the Wolves this year, but it took everything they had to vanquish us, despite having the perfect roster to matchup and with the Nugs not playing their best. Tough summer to be sure, but the afterglow had to end at some point. Here's to hoping we can start anew next year. |
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Post by GBG on May 20, 2024 17:10:00 GMT -5
Okay, my day is made. I just had a short conversation with DAJ as he was walking by my house. I saw him approaching and asked (knowing it was him), âAre you Deandre Jordanâ. He answered âthat would be meâ. My wife was nearby and I introduced her to him. His brother, who is much shorter, was with him. I consoled him for the game last night, asked if heâs returning, and he said âthatâs the planâ. I think he likes the Denver area a lot, and wants to plant his roots here. Sorry, no inside info to share, but he does think Minny will win the chip.
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Post by sawyeral on May 20, 2024 17:13:02 GMT -5
Bridges plays infinitely better defense and can even get his own shot. Schroeder is a decent defender who can handle the ball. Yes please. |
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Post by passtheballquick on May 20, 2024 19:30:56 GMT -5
Reggie contributed nicely to the last loss. In the 5.5 minutes he had 0 points, 2 TO's and 2 fouls. He was on the pace to score 0 points, 18 To's and 18 fouls lol
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Post by passtheballquick on May 20, 2024 19:50:21 GMT -5
This season, no matter how you look at it was a huge disappointment. Just losing the last game the way we did (historical loss "at home" that never happened before in the history of the game) where our best player went 34/19/7/1 on 48% FG (not counting 1sec heave), where our second best player went 35/3/3 on 48%fg and where their best player went 16/8/7/2 on 25% FG and their second best player went
23/12/2/1/2 on 57% FG is telling you that something is seriously wrong with this team/organization. Two our best players scored 69 points on 48%fg and their 2 best players scored 39 points on 37% . This alone would require jettisoning the FO, the coaching staff and anybody else around the team. My late Grammy would bring the Jokic-Murray team to the second round. Jokic-Murray team will bring any G-leaguers team to the second round. Jokic alone with fac*ing Facundo Campazzo and Will Barton brought this team to the second round. All fuc*ing losers around the team need to be gone
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 21, 2024 0:25:04 GMT -5
someone said bring back Bol Bol đ
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Post by wicked3line on May 21, 2024 0:27:32 GMT -5
Nice but impossible as Nuggets can't trade the 2026 1st round pick ahead of time since they already traded away the 2025 and 2027 picks...hence making 2026 ineligible. |
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