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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 15, 2024 19:06:33 GMT -5
We were by far the dumbest team in the entire nba based on our moves at the end of the regular season. The second dumbest team was LA Lakers for not punting the Nola game and the decision to go at us instead of OKC. This could actually be even dumber than us killing our starters. On Monday they'd be playing Boston instead of Dallas
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 15, 2024 19:10:04 GMT -5
murray calf was not getting better with 2 weeks off- enough with the 2 weeks bs , this was not our season (let it go)- we suck at shooting 3 pts, our bench was a joke all season,, malone was avg at best .... etc.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 15, 2024 19:36:48 GMT -5
murray calf was not getting better with 2 weeks off- enough with the 2 weeks bs , this was not our season (let it go)- we suck at shooting 3 pts, our bench was a joke all season,, malone was avg at best .... etc. Why not? Are you a doctor or you had some hidden medical reports? I am not a doctor but I could see that Murray was playing 2x better after 2 days of rest comparing to one day of rest. It wasn't Murray or Jokic who killed us. It was the other 3 starters who were shot and couldn't stand on their feet, desperately needing the reast. This was our season as we had the best team and the healty team (this may not ever happen again) but we just didn't treat the team properly. Blaming Murray for the game 7 loss is the sickest thing I can hear. Murray scored 35 points in that game on like 50% fg. That is as good as you could ever expect from Murray. Doncic is not giving that type of scoring production to Dallas
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 15, 2024 20:58:45 GMT -5
- Spurs game
- First 7 playoff games being beyond underwhelming and not looking like a contender.
- The emotional meltdown in the Minny gane. Very unlike the Nuggets to hit that level. Looking back that was another redflag.
- Everyone knows about the historic game 7 choke job that's inexcusable. It does overshadow the game 6. Nuggets woke up and took control of the series. Only to get blown out. They basically had two great shots at winning the series and came up short both times in a big way.
- Minny wasn't as great as advertised. Everyone knew they matched up well with us. They were nowhere near the level some anticipated tho. They weren't good enough to completely derail a championship team.
IMO it's just not a what if season. Way to many red flags. They were going to be tired no matter what. No such thing as getting proper rest when your trying to repeat. Nuggets showed time and time again this year that they didn't have it. We're not talking about a 1 time thing. You'd have to make multiple arguments for multiple things for us to win a ring lol
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 15, 2024 21:37:48 GMT -5
- Spurs game - First 7 playoff games being beyond underwhelming and not looking like a contender. - The emotional meltdown in the Minny gane. Very unlike the Nuggets to hit that level. Looking back that was another redflag. - Everyone knows about the historic game 7 choke job that's inexcusable. It does overshadow the game 6. Nuggets woke up and took control of the series. Only to get blown out. They basically had two great shots at winning the series and came up short both times in a big way. - Minny wasn't as great as advertised. Everyone knew they matched up well with us. They were nowhere near the level some anticipated tho. They weren't good enough to completely derail a championship team. IMO it's just not a what if season. Way to many red flags. They were going to be tired no matter what. No such thing as getting proper rest when your trying to repeat. Nuggets showed time and time again this year that they didn't have it. We're not talking about a 1 time thing. You'd have to make multiple arguments for multiple things for us to win a ring lol Just rest nothing else. Go and read my posts from last year. Do the same this year. And you'll read them again next year. All those red flags are BS. We lost game 7 in a historic fashion, we never lose with proper rest. The 20pt lead was wasted as the starters were shot. This is not only my take, Malone said the same thing but just in a different form where he put the blame on Booth and not on himself. Sadly not Jokic and Murray but the other 3. We win game 7, 1000% with proper rest and then against Dallas Jokic is guarded by either Lively or Gafford and not with Gobert/Towns duo or Gobert/Reed or Towns/Reed. We may never have another chance. We had the best team, the healthy team and we just run the starters into ground for nothing. Last year Lakers showed you that seeding was BS. Heat showed you that seeding was BS. Dallas showed you that seeding was BS. Keep searching for puzzle solution and keep believing that fighting for seeding at any cost is the way to go lol
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 15, 2024 22:37:03 GMT -5
- Spurs game - First 7 playoff games being beyond underwhelming and not looking like a contender. - The emotional meltdown in the Minny gane. Very unlike the Nuggets to hit that level. Looking back that was another redflag. - Everyone knows about the historic game 7 choke job that's inexcusable. It does overshadow the game 6. Nuggets woke up and took control of the series. Only to get blown out. They basically had two great shots at winning the series and came up short both times in a big way. - Minny wasn't as great as advertised. Everyone knew they matched up well with us. They were nowhere near the level some anticipated tho. They weren't good enough to completely derail a championship team. IMO it's just not a what if season. Way to many red flags. They were going to be tired no matter what. No such thing as getting proper rest when your trying to repeat. Nuggets showed time and time again this year that they didn't have it. We're not talking about a 1 time thing. You'd have to make multiple arguments for multiple things for us to win a ring lol Just rest nothing else. Go and read my posts from last year. Do the same this year. And you'll read them again next year. All those red flags are BS. We lost game 7 in a historic fashion, we never lose with proper rest. The 20pt lead was wasted as the starters were shot. This is not only my take, Malone said the same thing but just in a different form where he put the blame on Booth and not on himself. Sadly not Jokic and Murray but the other 3. We win game 7, 1000% with proper rest and then against Dallas Jokic is guarded by either Lively or Gafford and not with Gobert/Towns duo or Gobert/Reed or Towns/Reed. We may never have another chance. We had the best team, the healthy team and we just run the starters into ground for nothing. Last year Lakers showed you that seeding was BS. Heat showed you that seeding was BS. Dallas showed you that seeding was BS. Keep searching for puzzle solution and keep believing that fighting for seeding at any cost is the way to go lol I mean I'm not the one searching for solutions. Just going off what actually happened. Just accepting reality really. Thinking 2 weeks will make the difference in what is basically a 2 year run is truly delusional. Also completely ignores the mental challenges repeating has and fatigue that leads to. What about the decades of evidence that suggest seeding is important? We should take the fluke run over all that? What about the hundreds of players, coaches, media across all sports that speak on the advantage of the altitude in Denver? Because Dallas beat Minny as the 5 seed we should ignore it? I've stayed away from this mostly because as a Denver sports fan I've honestly never seen someone advocate for not having HC before lol there will always be exceptions to the rule. No method will hit at a 100% rate. Minny wasn't as good as people thought. That's why Dallas pulled off the upset. Nuggets came up short multiple times this year. Looked pedestrian vs L.A. Those are just the facts.
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Post by GBG on Jun 15, 2024 22:56:56 GMT -5
I will never forget the 30 point loss at MSG. It was just one game in the middle of the season, but it told me we may not have the killer instinct this year.
Nuggets just didnât have all the pieces to repeat. Pretty simple.
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 15, 2024 23:00:16 GMT -5
The longer break will be great for the Nuggets. Jokic certainly needs more rest. He couldn't play the same caliber of defense back to back years. It's a double edged sword tho. Murray doesn't have to carry during the regular season because of Jokic's dominance. He can take stretches off while only playing 60ish games. Seeding is important. Where I think the Nuggets can tweak is taking games more serious earlier in the year and getting Jokic some help. Picking their spots better with Jokic.
I think the experience of being the top dogs and learning they can't coast/flip a switch will be big. Nuggets need rest. All teams do. It comes during the season tho. Not all at once. I think the harsh reality with Murray is enough rest didn't exist when your season goes as long as last year. Body was just banged up at that point combined with the mental aspect of expectations changing. The reality is there professional athletes and they had a game 6 to dig deep and win. They got a 2nd chance and literally just had to play 6 minutes. Your not winning a ring without digging deep or playing tired. You'll run into adversity no matter what.
Going back to back is incredibly hard. Takes a special kind of mentality and injury luck. Nuggets had neither this season.
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Post by AbdulJabber on Jun 16, 2024 0:47:51 GMT -5
We would have won the championship this year, had we not collapsed in game 7. Sorry guys - hurts as hard as the Broncos-Jags 1996 and Rahim Moore 2012 (for those of who cheer for the broncos too). Minny basically took our bench off the table. We had minimal size coming off the bench, especially because Malone refused to play PWat and DJ (which is why our starters completely ran out of legs). He really didn't trust anyone to take on Minny's size. Had we played Dallas, PWat and others are on the floor for a much longer period of time, giving the starters ample rest. Chin up - If we're not getting the chip, I'd rather lose in the second round than the fourth. Our guys are going to spend the summer eating s**t, and coming back this fall with a f***ing chip on their shoulder. Minny is entering cap-hell and is going to lose some very critical parts (likely worse than our loss of KCP, which will partly be absorbed by Pwat and Strawther emerging - Minny's conversion will be far harsher). We will win it all next year. Enjoy the summer all. I was at that crazy Jags game. Means, Jimmy Smith and Brunell tore our defense up. That offense was underrated. I don't remember Brunell ever having another season like he did that year. It was a flash in the pan, but one of the biggest upsets in playoff history. At least the Nuggets didn't lose as a 1 seed to a team like the Rockets or something. I can deal with losing to the Wolves.
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Post by duh88 on Jun 16, 2024 2:44:54 GMT -5
AJ - I was traveling internationally with my family and saw the game in Europe during the evening. It felt like a damn funeral. I was just stunned (I think I still am - lol). That Jags team should have won the SB that year - I still can't believe they got shut down in NE.
I was at the Rahim Moore game. I even remember game-planning, in my head, what we would do to beat the Pats, right before the Flacco throw.
Anyways - This one hurt just as bad. I also agree tho - minimal embarrasment losing to the TWolves - they were damn good. But we'll get it next year.
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Post by duh88 on Jun 16, 2024 2:45:44 GMT -5
We were by far the dumbest team in the entire nba based on our moves at the end of the regular season. The second dumbest team was LA Lakers for not punting the Nola game and the decision to go at us instead of OKC. This could actually be even dumber than us killing our starters. On Monday they'd be playing Boston instead of Dallas Rock Jr.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 16, 2024 4:18:21 GMT -5
murray calf was not getting better with 2 weeks off- enough with the 2 weeks bs , this was not our season (let it go)- we suck at shooting 3 pts, our bench was a joke all season,, malone was avg at best .... etc. It wasnt our season but it should have been
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Post by scooter on Jun 16, 2024 11:13:46 GMT -5
this was not our season (let it go)- Exactly. Letâs remember for a second that Aaron Gordonâs brother died on May 30, leaving behind a wife and 3 children. AG seems like a good guy, and it seems better that heâs not forced to deal with playoff pressures and media right now.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 16, 2024 12:03:02 GMT -5
The longer break will be great for the Nuggets. Jokic certainly needs more rest. He couldn't play the same caliber of defense back to back years. It's a double edged sword tho. Murray doesn't have to carry during the regular season because of Jokic's dominance. He can take stretches off while only playing 60ish games. Seeding is important. Where I think the Nuggets can tweak is taking games more serious earlier in the year and getting Jokic some help. Picking their spots better with Jokic. I think the experience of being the top dogs and learning they can't coast/flip a switch will be big. Nuggets need rest. All teams do. It comes during the season tho. Not all at once. I think the harsh reality with Murray is enough rest didn't exist when your season goes as long as last year. Body was just banged up at that point combined with the mental aspect of expectations changing. The reality is there professional athletes and they had a game 6 to dig deep and win. They got a 2nd chance and literally just had to play 6 minutes. Your not winning a ring without digging deep or playing tired. You'll run into adversity no matter what. Going back to back is incredibly hard. Takes a special kind of mentality and injury luck. Nuggets had neither this season. I'll tell you what delusion is: Delusion is relying on the past and fully ignoring what's happening in the last few years. Delusion is expecting Jokic to get more rest without knowing that he accepted playing for Serbia at the Olympics which will take away 2 extra months compared to the last year. You seem to be one of those that read only 20% of what people post and then don't understand the half of it. I never said that we would repeat with 2 extra weeks of rest so no need to add anything to it. I said we 1000% win game 7 with extra rest and then we'd be the only team that could challenge Boston. That's what I said and repeated it probably 100 times lol
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 16, 2024 12:44:14 GMT -5
We were by far the dumbest team in the entire nba based on our moves at the end of the regular season. The second dumbest team was LA Lakers for not punting the Nola game and the decision to go at us instead of OKC. This could actually be even dumber than us killing our starters. On Monday they'd be playing Boston instead of Dallas Rock Jr. Why rock Jr? You believe that the last 2 year's health is given and it can only improve from now on lol? I'll take it
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 16, 2024 15:08:22 GMT -5
The longer break will be great for the Nuggets. Jokic certainly needs more rest. He couldn't play the same caliber of defense back to back years. It's a double edged sword tho. Murray doesn't have to carry during the regular season because of Jokic's dominance. He can take stretches off while only playing 60ish games. Seeding is important. Where I think the Nuggets can tweak is taking games more serious earlier in the year and getting Jokic some help. Picking their spots better with Jokic. I think the experience of being the top dogs and learning they can't coast/flip a switch will be big. Nuggets need rest. All teams do. It comes during the season tho. Not all at once. I think the harsh reality with Murray is enough rest didn't exist when your season goes as long as last year. Body was just banged up at that point combined with the mental aspect of expectations changing. The reality is there professional athletes and they had a game 6 to dig deep and win. They got a 2nd chance and literally just had to play 6 minutes. Your not winning a ring without digging deep or playing tired. You'll run into adversity no matter what. Going back to back is incredibly hard. Takes a special kind of mentality and injury luck. Nuggets had neither this season. I'll tell you what delusion is: Delusion is relying on the past and fully ignoring what's happening in the last few years. Delusion is expecting Jokic to get more rest without knowing that he accepted playing for Serbia at the Olympics which will take away 2 extra months compared to the last year. You seem to be one of those that read only 20% of what people post and then don't understand the half of it. I never said that we would repeat with 2 extra weeks of rest so no need to add anything to it. I said we 1000% win game 7 with extra rest and then we'd be the only team that could challenge Boston. That's what I said and repeated it probably 100 times lol How is it delusional to rely on the past? Certainly isn't the end all be all but it's undeniably important. Saying seeding doesn't matter is a scorching hot take. Saying it doesn't matter for the Nuggets is even crazier given the altitude. I get what your saying. I just think it's delusional anyway you slice it. You don't erase wear and tear in 2 weeks. Rust vs rest is a real thing as well. You rest players over the course of the season. When your trying to win back to back championships even if you do get the physical rest you'll still have the mental fatigue. Deep playoff runs are tough. 2 weeks isn't changing getting blown out in games 6 and a historic choke job in game 7. There was so many blowouts in that series where players coasted and they played hard for like 25% of the L.A series anyways. I knew Jokic was headed to the Olympics but IMO it's a different caliber of basketball. Honestly should keep him in shape and be good to get some shots up in that setting. Playing 4 rounds of NBA basketball and dealing with the media and everything that comes with winning a ring can be pretty draining. I'd say he's getting more rest this offseason. Still a month away? Guessing Serbia is a top 3 favorite and outside of a few matchups shouldn't be that hard on the body. I think what wears Jokic down is the athleticism of the NBA and dealing with that on D.
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Post by Ring on Jun 17, 2024 11:41:12 GMT -5
Why can't people just accept that the Nuggets were a worse team this year than they were last year, and the team that they lost to (Minnesota) was a better team than any team they had faced last season.
The Nuggets won a Championship and I think it fooled a lot of people into thinking they were the Warriors or something. Last years team was a very good, not great team that had a very easy path to their Championship.
This years team was a good team. Simple as that. Good teams don't win rings.
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Post by Ring on Jun 17, 2024 11:42:45 GMT -5
I'll tell you what delusion is: Delusion is relying on the past and fully ignoring what's happening in the last few years. Delusion is expecting Jokic to get more rest without knowing that he accepted playing for Serbia at the Olympics which will take away 2 extra months compared to the last year. You seem to be one of those that read only 20% of what people post and then don't understand the half of it. I never said that we would repeat with 2 extra weeks of rest so no need to add anything to it. I said we 1000% win game 7 with extra rest and then we'd be the only team that could challenge Boston. That's what I said and repeated it probably 100 times lol How is it delusional to rely on the past? Certainly isn't the end all be all but it's undeniably important. Saying seeding doesn't matter is a scorching hot take. Saying it doesn't matter for the Nuggets is even crazier given the altitude. I get what your saying. I just think it's delusional anyway you slice it. You don't erase wear and tear in 2 weeks. Rust vs rest is a real thing as well. You rest players over the course of the season. When your trying to win back to back championships even if you do get the physical rest you'll still have the mental fatigue. Deep playoff runs are tough. 2 weeks isn't changing getting blown out in games 6 and a historic choke job in game 7. There was so many blowouts in that series where players coasted and they played hard for like 25% of the L.A series anyways. I knew Jokic was headed to the Olympics but IMO it's a different caliber of basketball. Honestly should keep him in shape and be good to get some shots up in that setting. Playing 4 rounds of NBA basketball and dealing with the media and everything that comes with winning a ring can be pretty draining. I'd say he's getting more rest this offseason. Still a month away? Guessing Serbia is a top 3 favorite and outside of a few matchups shouldn't be that hard on the body. I think what wears Jokic down is the athleticism of the NBA and dealing with that on D. 2 things wear Jokic out. Playing in the post and PnR defense. The Nuggets have Jokic play at such a high level on those screens and that is so tiresome. Hence why in Game 7 Jokics 1st half defense was all time great but then he got tired and it slipped. It's just not possible to play at that level over a 7 game series while also having to play in the post against 3 7 footers.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 17, 2024 11:42:59 GMT -5
I'll tell you what delusion is: Delusion is relying on the past and fully ignoring what's happening in the last few years. Delusion is expecting Jokic to get more rest without knowing that he accepted playing for Serbia at the Olympics which will take away 2 extra months compared to the last year. You seem to be one of those that read only 20% of what people post and then don't understand the half of it. I never said that we would repeat with 2 extra weeks of rest so no need to add anything to it. I said we 1000% win game 7 with extra rest and then we'd be the only team that could challenge Boston. That's what I said and repeated it probably 100 times lol How is it delusional to rely on the past? Certainly isn't the end all be all but it's undeniably important. Saying seeding doesn't matter is a scorching hot take. Saying it doesn't matter for the Nuggets is even crazier given the altitude. I get what your saying. I just think it's delusional anyway you slice it. You don't erase wear and tear in 2 weeks. Rust vs rest is a real thing as well. You rest players over the course of the season. When your trying to win back to back championships even if you do get the physical rest you'll still have the mental fatigue. Deep playoff runs are tough. 2 weeks isn't changing getting blown out in games 6 and a historic choke job in game 7. There was so many blowouts in that series where players coasted and they played hard for like 25% of the L.A series anyways. I knew Jokic was headed to the Olympics but IMO it's a different caliber of basketball. Honestly should keep him in shape and be good to get some shots up in that setting. Playing 4 rounds of NBA basketball and dealing with the media and everything that comes with winning a ring can be pretty draining. I'd say he's getting more rest this offseason. Still a month away? Guessing Serbia is a top 3 favorite and outside of a few matchups shouldn't be that hard on the body. I think what wears Jokic down is the athleticism of the NBA and dealing with that on D. There is a distant past and there is a recent past. You seem to be locked in the distant past and not accepting it. Those are 2 different worlds and the different rules apply. In the distant past the HC in game 7 was 90+% guarantee to go to the next round. In the recent past (5-6 years) the road teams are winning 70% of games 7. This is not a delusion, this is a fact.In the recent past Nuggets lost every game 7 played at home from second round up. Those games were lost with a healthy team to weaker opponents which makes the hc even bigger bs. Nuggets might be the the only team in the nba history that lost every game 7 at home from second round up in any 5-6 years time frame and you're still relying on altitude and hc lol. I am intentionally not counting round 1 as if you're losing in round 1, you're not a contender, you're a joke and a warm up team for contenders. Another words, you don't take medicine that doesn't work for you regardless if it works for everyone else. You have a weak argument with the bench but the bench is what it is and it's still better than Boston bench. (Zinger wasn't a factor this year). We still have the best or top 2 starting 5. In that case the only thing that you don't want to do is to run them to the ground for seeding purpose. And this year we exactly did that. The recent past showed you that the seeding didn't matter. Hawks proved it. Lakers proved it, Heat provded it. Dallas proved it. All of those teams were later losing in conference finals or league finals to much better teams and not because of hc disadvantage. The recent past and near future is black and white comparing it to distant past. Because of new financial rules the teams are much closer to each other and the tiny hair piece makes the difference between losing and winning. 2 weeks of extra rest negates the fatigue part and that is even more important for our team than any other team in the league. Last year we had BB and the team was better but BB was not the difference between 16:4 run and a historic choke in the second round this year. The rest was the difference. Dallas added an extra week of rest this year and that gave them advantage over OKC. They punted the seeding for rest. Without those 11 days of rest they lose the last game to OKC. As far as Jokic goes and the fatigue factor for this year I can understand your optimism because you're lacking information here. This is going to be the worst year for Jokic fatigue wise. Serbia has a more lunatic coach when it comes to tournament preparation than the Nuggets coach when it comes to winning. Every single serbian player hates it and Jokic is not getting any slack but he'll have to be a ringleader there. Serbian media is 10x worse than nba media. Jokic will spend more energy on media in the next month and a half than in the entire nba year.
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Post by scooter on Jun 17, 2024 14:26:50 GMT -5
Why can't people just accept that the Nuggets were a worse team this year than they were last year, and the team that they lost to (Minnesota) was a better team than any team they had faced last season. The Nuggets won a Championship and I think it fooled a lot of people into thinking they were the Warriors or something. Last years team was a very good, not great team that had a very easy path to their Championship. This years team was a good team. Simple as that. Good teams don't win rings. I donât know why you are performing this âNuggets suckâ bit (other than to bait people into arguments) but itâs boring. Last yearâs Nuggetsâ team would have beaten either of the teams in the Finals this year. Iâm not sure one way or the other about this yearâs team, given how much time off these teams have gotten over the past month. In nearly 5 weeks since 5/15, the Celtics have played 8 games and the Mavs 10. Nuggetsâ players would have been able to get some rest given how spread out the schedule got. BTW, a âgood teamâ is going to win a ring this year. The Mavs have only 2 A level players and neither is at Jokicâs level (TS%s of 53% and 49% at this point in the Finals) and their role players as a group are really âmehâ by playoff standards; the Celtics without Porzingis are no better than âgood.â
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