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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 13, 2024 14:15:59 GMT -5
Tired of the excuses,,( mental drain,blah blah) they play a f***ing game and make millions. They choke last night and played like pussy.
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Post by duh88 on Apr 13, 2024 19:13:20 GMT -5
Someone on twitter noted that we moved up in the NBA draft by 2 spots with yesterday's loss. So - there is that!
SILVER LININGS!!!
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 14, 2024 3:10:05 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh
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Post by scooter on Apr 14, 2024 11:48:47 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh Too early to know that. Those guys are rookies. One or two will likely be traded this offseason anyway. What I do know is that aside from Porter the Nuggets got little out of the draft as well as the pool of undrafted free agents during the 5 years from 2017-21. They had the disastrous draft night of 2017 when the following were all available with their #13 pick: Mitchell, Adebayo, Collins, Anunoby, Kuzma, White, Brooks, Hart. The FO followed that up with some other poor draft choices and a failure to identify and recruit undrafted guys with NBA talent. Booth’s tenure so far has been a draft night success just by hitting on both Braun and Watson. This summer the FO is going to be challenged to make lemonade (in the form of a trade) out of the lemon that is Nnaji’s contract. If he’s on the Nuggets’ roster this fall, we’ll know that pretty much nobody wanted him. I know what they were thinking (tradeable contract slot) but as of today it seems they were wrong to think it. |
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Post by GBG on Apr 14, 2024 12:05:25 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh Too early to know that. Those guys are rookies. One or two will likely be traded this offseason anyway. What I do know is that aside from Porter the Nuggets got little out of the draft as well as the pool of undrafted free agents during the 5 years from 2017-21. They had the disastrous draft night of 2017 when the following were all available with their #13 pick: Mitchell, Adebayo, Collins, Anunoby, Kuzma, White, Brooks, Hart. The FO followed that up with some other poor draft choices and a failure to identify and recruit undrafted guys with NBA talent. Booth’s tenure so far has been a draft night success just by hitting on both Braun and Watson. This summer the FO is going to be challenged to make lemonade (in the form of a trade) out of the lemon that is Nnaji’s contract. If he’s on the Nuggets’ roster this fall, we’ll know that pretty much nobody wanted him. I know what they were thinking (tradeable contract slot) but as of today it seems they were wrong to think it. As of today, they were wrong. I still hold out a somewhat desperate hope that Nnaji blossoms in his age 24 season, and THEN becomes a tradeable contact by the 2025 trade deadline. I don’t think that failure to trade him this summer means we are stuck with him for the duration. So many bad contracts out there, we surely could eventually deal him for someone else’s headache. Change of scenery for both involved players in such a trade could do both a lot of good. |
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Post by JB on Apr 14, 2024 12:06:48 GMT -5
I like Collin Gillespie very much, he should've been our backup PG and Calvin greatly erred by not giving him a guaranteed contract. I call him Facu Gillepsie because he's everything Tim and Facu stans hyped up Mr. Compazzo to be (and he didn't lie about his height to boot).
Calvin may not have drafted Zeke but giving a rookie extension is a form of talent evaluation and giving Zeke that extension was a fundamentally worse decision than any of his draft picks.
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Post by scooter on Apr 14, 2024 13:46:35 GMT -5
Too early to know that. Those guys are rookies. One or two will likely be traded this offseason anyway. What I do know is that aside from Porter the Nuggets got little out of the draft as well as the pool of undrafted free agents during the 5 years from 2017-21. They had the disastrous draft night of 2017 when the following were all available with their #13 pick: Mitchell, Adebayo, Collins, Anunoby, Kuzma, White, Brooks, Hart. The FO followed that up with some other poor draft choices and a failure to identify and recruit undrafted guys with NBA talent. Booth’s tenure so far has been a draft night success just by hitting on both Braun and Watson. This summer the FO is going to be challenged to make lemonade (in the form of a trade) out of the lemon that is Nnaji’s contract. If he’s on the Nuggets’ roster this fall, we’ll know that pretty much nobody wanted him. I know what they were thinking (tradeable contract slot) but as of today it seems they were wrong to think it. As of today, they were wrong. I still hold out a somewhat desperate hope that Nnaji blossoms in his age 24 season, and THEN becomes a tradeable contact by the 2025 trade deadline. I don’t think that failure to trade him this summer means we are stuck with him for the duration. So many bad contracts out there, we surely could eventually deal him for someone else’s headache. Change of scenery for both involved players in such a trade could do both a lot of good. Sure, but the FO was counting on using that NOW to add depth. They know that Reggie is close to washed. Jordan is completely washed. Holiday is nearing the end. They signed Nnaji to add a 6th man level guy — think Bruce Brown(ish) — in an $8-10 mil salary slot this summer. That was the plan. As of today, it looks like a pretty big fail. Frankly, I thought they’d be better off just trading Nnaji at his $4.3 mil slot during or before this season. Some rebuilding team would have been interested in having him and his restricted rights with no long term commitment. The Nuggets couldn’t have gotten anyone really good, but they could have gotten someone serviceable. Now unless they can pull a rabbit they are looking at the prospect of having a very weak bench again next season. |
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Post by GBG on Apr 14, 2024 13:49:25 GMT -5
As of today, they were wrong. I still hold out a somewhat desperate hope that Nnaji blossoms in his age 24 season, and THEN becomes a tradeable contact by the 2025 trade deadline. I don’t think that failure to trade him this summer means we are stuck with him for the duration. So many bad contracts out there, we surely could eventually deal him for someone else’s headache. Change of scenery for both involved players in such a trade could do both a lot of good. Sure, but the FO was counting on using that NOW to add depth. They know that Reggie is close to washed. Jordan is completely washed. Holiday is nearing the end. They signed Nnaji to add a 6th man level guy — think Bruce Brown(ish) — in an $8-10 mil salary slot this summer. That was the plan. As of today, it looks like a pretty big fail. Frankly, I thought they’d be better off just trading Nnaji at his $4.3 mil slot during or before this season. Some rebuilding team would have been interested in having him and his restricted rights with no long term commitment. The Nuggets couldn’t have gotten anyone really good, but they could have gotten someone serviceable. Now unless they can pull a rabbit they are looking at the prospect of having a very weak bench again next season. How do you know what the plan was? Did you talk to them? |
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Post by scooter on Apr 14, 2024 14:57:26 GMT -5
How do you know what the plan was? Did you talk to them? No, sadly those days are long gone  It’s just the math, together with some intel from Harrison Wind at DNVR. Wind does seem to have an “off the record” source or two in the Nuggets’ organization. |
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Post by duh88 on Apr 14, 2024 19:11:16 GMT -5
Nnaji is a very good wing defender with size.
If we face the suns, Nnaji’s contract will look like a steal - same in regard to facing the Celtics.
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Post by famicommander on Apr 14, 2024 19:19:52 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh I think Strawther will turn out to be a good pick. He doesn't turn the ball over and he has good defensive awareness and instincts. The shot will come along. It's hard to get mad at the Pickett and Tyson picks. The overwhelming majority of all 2nd round picks are washouts. The mistake was giving those two guys 3 year guaranteed deals (plus a team option on a 4th). You can sign 2nd rounders to two-way deals and still retain their RFA rights if they overplay those deals and are deserving of full time deals the next year. That is what Booth should have done with both guys, while giving the full time deals to Collin Gillespie and either Braxton Key or another minimum deal 3/4/5. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 14, 2024 21:29:17 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh It is extremely difficult to hit on late 1st, let alone 2nd rounders. The fact that Calvin drafted Braun who played a role in our Championship run and Peyton, who in Year 2 was a solid rotation player is a major feather in Calvins cap. Even if all 3 of Pickett/Tyson/Strawther bust I think you're still ecstatic with his hit rate. |
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Post by scooter on Apr 14, 2024 23:49:23 GMT -5
Im pretty meh at Calvin drafting abilities right now. Pickett, Tyson and Straw all meh It is extremely difficult to hit on late 1st, let alone 2nd rounders. The fact that Calvin drafted Braun who played a role in our Championship run and Peyton, who in Year 2 was a solid rotation player is a major feather in Calvins cap. Even if all 3 of Pickett/Tyson/Strawther bust I think you're still ecstatic with his hit rate. Agree. And there is still a decent chance that at least one of the 2023 guys turns out to be an NBA player. Unlike some here, I would not be shocked if Tyson plays a handful of years in the NBA — the guy can shoot, will give a good effort and has a good head on his shoulders. He seems to have excellent intangibles and teams need that from deep bench players. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2024 0:13:35 GMT -5
It is extremely difficult to hit on late 1st, let alone 2nd rounders. The fact that Calvin drafted Braun who played a role in our Championship run and Peyton, who in Year 2 was a solid rotation player is a major feather in Calvins cap. Even if all 3 of Pickett/Tyson/Strawther bust I think you're still ecstatic with his hit rate. Agree. And there is still a decent chance that at least one of the 2023 guys turns out to be an NBA player. Unlike some here, I would not be shocked if Tyson plays a handful of years in the NBA — the guy can shoot, will give a good effort and has a good head on his shoulders. He seems to have excellent intangibles and teams need that from deep bench players. I watched him play a ton in the G-League this year and I would be absolutely shocked if Hunter Tyson sticks in this league. He was the worst defensive player on the team in the G-League this year; not just among the 6 Nugs roster guys who played, but everybody. He also does not set screens or rebound well even at the G-League level, especially for a guy his size. He's got slow feet, he doesn't make particularly quick reads, he's not very strong. I just don't see it. I wouldn't even say his effort level was that great. All he does is spot up and take jumpers. A lot of them. Even though he's a 6'8" forward and Vlatko missed the entire season he was still 17th out of 17 guys in NBA minutes this year. He played less than Huff, less than Key, and even less than Jack White did last season. So I would wager Malone's evaluation of him isn't too far off of mine. EDIT: G-League net ratings this year Huff +10.0 Key +5.0 Gillespie +4.5 Pickett -1.0 Strawther -6.3 (2 games) Tyson -9.0 |
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Post by scooter on Apr 15, 2024 11:37:18 GMT -5
Agree. And there is still a decent chance that at least one of the 2023 guys turns out to be an NBA player. Unlike some here, I would not be shocked if Tyson plays a handful of years in the NBA — the guy can shoot, will give a good effort and has a good head on his shoulders. He seems to have excellent intangibles and teams need that from deep bench players. I watched him play a ton in the G-League this year and I would be absolutely shocked if Hunter Tyson sticks in this league. He was the worst defensive player on the team in the G-League this year; not just among the 6 Nugs roster guys who played, but everybody. He also does not set screens or rebound well even at the G-League level, especially for a guy his size. He's got slow feet, he doesn't make particularly quick reads, he's not very strong. I just don't see it. I wouldn't even say his effort level was that great. All he does is spot up and take jumpers. A lot of them. Even though he's a 6'8" forward and Vlatko missed the entire season he was still 17th out of 17 guys in NBA minutes this year. He played less than Huff, less than Key, and even less than Jack White did last season. So I would wager Malone's evaluation of him isn't too far off of mine. EDIT: G-League net ratings this year Huff +10.0 Key +5.0 Gillespie +4.5 Pickett -1.0 Strawther -6.3 (2 games) Tyson -9.0 I respect your POV because unlike me you’ve actually seen him play. I realize that my POV expressed here is probably wishful thinking, although shooting ability is super important and the Nuggets have less of it than many of the better teams. But you’re probably right. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 15, 2024 11:51:31 GMT -5
Agree. And there is still a decent chance that at least one of the 2023 guys turns out to be an NBA player. Unlike some here, I would not be shocked if Tyson plays a handful of years in the NBA — the guy can shoot, will give a good effort and has a good head on his shoulders. He seems to have excellent intangibles and teams need that from deep bench players. I watched him play a ton in the G-League this year and I would be absolutely shocked if Hunter Tyson sticks in this league. He was the worst defensive player on the team in the G-League this year; not just among the 6 Nugs roster guys who played, but everybody. He also does not set screens or rebound well even at the G-League level, especially for a guy his size. He's got slow feet, he doesn't make particularly quick reads, he's not very strong. I just don't see it. I wouldn't even say his effort level was that great. All he does is spot up and take jumpers. A lot of them. Even though he's a 6'8" forward and Vlatko missed the entire season he was still 17th out of 17 guys in NBA minutes this year. He played less than Huff, less than Key, and even less than Jack White did last season. So I would wager Malone's evaluation of him isn't too far off of mine. EDIT: G-League net ratings this year Huff +10.0 Key +5.0 Gillespie +4.5 Pickett -1.0 Strawther -6.3 (2 games) Tyson -9.0 What you listed here is all teachable but what is not is a head and soft hand and he's got both. The guys that can score will play in this league. I am not saying he'd survive but if he gets a decent chance and if he scores at the levels he did in g-league he may survive. I still remember how dominant of a shooter he was in the g-league |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2024 12:29:13 GMT -5
I watched him play a ton in the G-League this year and I would be absolutely shocked if Hunter Tyson sticks in this league. He was the worst defensive player on the team in the G-League this year; not just among the 6 Nugs roster guys who played, but everybody. He also does not set screens or rebound well even at the G-League level, especially for a guy his size. He's got slow feet, he doesn't make particularly quick reads, he's not very strong. I just don't see it. I wouldn't even say his effort level was that great. All he does is spot up and take jumpers. A lot of them. Even though he's a 6'8" forward and Vlatko missed the entire season he was still 17th out of 17 guys in NBA minutes this year. He played less than Huff, less than Key, and even less than Jack White did last season. So I would wager Malone's evaluation of him isn't too far off of mine. EDIT: G-League net ratings this year Huff +10.0 Key +5.0 Gillespie +4.5 Pickett -1.0 Strawther -6.3 (2 games) Tyson -9.0 What you listed here is all teachable but what is not is a head and soft hand and he's got both. The guys that can score will play in this league. I am not saying he'd survive but if he gets a decent chance and if he scores at the levels he did in g-league he may survive. I still remember how dominant of a shooter he was in the g-league He really wasn't that dominant of a shooter. He shot 39% from 3 but only .445 overall and he was super inconsistent. Basically he's going to take about 18 jump shots per game and sometimes he'll hit 12 of them, sometimes he'll hit 4 of them. But he's taking them no matter what. I also saw no evidence of him being a particularly smart player. Literally all he really does is chuck jumpers. Of the Nugs roster guys to play in the G-League the last two seasons I'd easily rate Tyson as the worst player of the group. I won't rate Strawther based on two games, but: 1. Peyton Watson 2. Collin Gillespie 3. Braxton Key 4. Jay Huff 6. Jalen Pickett 7. Jack White 8. Hunter Tyson And the gap between White and Tyson is large. If I were choosing between Tyson and White for a two-way spot it'd be White without hesitation. If White had Tyson's height and wingspan he'd be a full time roster guy already. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 15, 2024 13:57:20 GMT -5
39% from 3 on high volume is elite. If he just could transfer that to nba he'd replace mpj. If mpj, guy who even today gets lost on D, learned a little bit how to play D, Tyson can learn too. Also he's got much better handle than mpj. Again, it's all If he gets a chance or not. Flynn who was averaging like 2mins per game scored 50 points in nba game a few days ago. If you get a chance, than you know if you can survive or not. He was 4th in scoring in the entire league just 1.9 points less than the leader. You don't get there by accident. I also see that he shot 41% from 3 and 83.3% from FT line
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2024 14:05:51 GMT -5
39% from 3 on high volume is elite. If he just could transfer that to nba he'd replace mpj. If mpj, guy who even today gets lost on D, learned a little bit how to play D, Tyson can learn too. Also he's got much better handle than mpj. Again, it's all If he gets a chance or not. Flynn who was averaging like 2mins per game scored 50 points in nba game a few days ago. If you get a chance, than you know if you can survive or not Those are G-League shooting numbers, not NBA numbers. Davon Reed shot 42% on over 5 3pt attempts per in 35 G-League games this year and couldn't even get a 10 day contract from the Grizzlies while playing on their G-League squad. Torrey Craig shot 39% for his career in the G versus 35% in the NBA. It's a whole different beast. Tyson does not have better handles than MPJ and his G-League defense this year was worse than rookie MPJ's NBA defense. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 15, 2024 14:10:58 GMT -5
39% from 3 on high volume is elite. If he just could transfer that to nba he'd replace mpj. If mpj, guy who even today gets lost on D, learned a little bit how to play D, Tyson can learn too. Also he's got much better handle than mpj. Again, it's all If he gets a chance or not. Flynn who was averaging like 2mins per game scored 50 points in nba game a few days ago. If you get a chance, than you know if you can survive or not Those are G-League shooting numbers, not NBA numbers. Davon Reed shot 42% on over 5 3pt attempts per in 35 G-League games this year and couldn't even get a 10 day contract from the Grizzlies while playing on their G-League squad. Torrey Craig shot 39% for his career in the G versus 35% in the NBA. It's a whole different beast. Tyson does not have better handles than MPJ and his G-League defense this year was worse than rookie MPJ's NBA defense. Tyson shot 41% from 3 on 9.2 attemps. That's elite. I know it's a g-league and that's why I said "if he could transfer that to nba". Mpj has the worst handle in the entire universe and that means worse than Tyson. It's all about a chance. I would like him to get a chance at least as JS got his |
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