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Post by JB on Mar 22, 2024 8:39:20 GMT -5
if I were a Jokic fanatic like my guy alchemist, I would absolutely love Murray. the fact Nugget fans have to constantly repeat Jamal's accomplishments DURING THE RUN just goes to show how history will diminish his contribution 10+ years from now. and on the flip side of that coin, history will remember Jokic as this demigod figure that won with a bunch of entirely replaceable, average players all because Jamal's Seasonal Affective Disorder negatively impacts his play in early winter months (my theory).
maybe we should finally grant NT's wish and trade him to Dallas for Kyrie or Miami for Butler and see if the warm weather there will result in a complete all-star season for him.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 22, 2024 9:00:29 GMT -5
if I were a Jokic fanatic like my guy alchemist, I would absolutely love Murray. the fact Nugget fans have to constantly repeat Jamal's accomplishments DURING THE RUN just goes to show how history will diminish his contribution 10+ years from now. and on the flip side of that coin, history will remember Jokic as this demigod figure that won with a bunch of entirely replaceable, average players all because Jamal's Seasonal Affective Disorder negatively impacts his play in early winter months (my theory). maybe we should finally grant NT's wish and trade him to Dallas for Kyrie or Miami for Butler and see if the warm weather there will result in a complete all-star season for him. Separating Jamal from Jokic would put an end to this team. The more I watch, the more I am certain about it. It took Jamal 4 years to learn that pocket pass, to be lethal from p&r and to play bb right way. He's not replaceable at this stage of Jokic's career. But for this team to win, Jamal needs to be PO Jamal nothing less. We all are witnessing struggles of a decent PG (10+ years) just to pass the ball let alone to play proper way with Jokic. I also hope that comes PO time Jokic and Jamal will play more minutes together than now. Malone is not stupid to separate them for more than 2mins per Q |
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Post by scooter on Mar 22, 2024 9:14:40 GMT -5
I refuse to join the Murray/Jokic civil war. I love em bof. we need to focus our vitriol where it belongs: AC jr aka Reggie. Agreed. I’ve been a hardcore Nuggets fan since shortly before 2003 when Melo joined the team. These guys are all-time great Nuggets. Jokic is an all-time great of basketball. Murray isn’t nearly at that level but he’s still really good at basketball and a winner, and has proven to be an excellent complement to Jokic in terms of his game, his personality, his toughness and his will to win. Jokic respects and trusts him and has since the start of their partnership on this team, and that should be good enough for us as Jokic knows more about team basketball than any of us. Murray is an all-timer as a Nugget. |
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Post by Ring on Mar 22, 2024 10:24:23 GMT -5
if I were a Jokic fanatic like my guy alchemist, I would absolutely love Murray. the fact Nugget fans have to constantly repeat Jamal's accomplishments DURING THE RUN just goes to show how history will diminish his contribution 10+ years from now. and on the flip side of that coin, history will remember Jokic as this demigod figure that won with a bunch of entirely replaceable, average players all because Jamal's Seasonal Affective Disorder negatively impacts his play in early winter months (my theory). maybe we should finally grant NT's wish and trade him to Dallas for Kyrie or Miami for Butler and see if the warm weather there will result in a complete all-star season for him. The most insane part to me is that Jamal this year is averaging 21/7/4 on 48/42/86 and people are still complaining about him on a near nightly basis. |
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Post by Ring on Mar 22, 2024 10:26:25 GMT -5
if I were a Jokic fanatic like my guy alchemist, I would absolutely love Murray. the fact Nugget fans have to constantly repeat Jamal's accomplishments DURING THE RUN just goes to show how history will diminish his contribution 10+ years from now. and on the flip side of that coin, history will remember Jokic as this demigod figure that won with a bunch of entirely replaceable, average players all because Jamal's Seasonal Affective Disorder negatively impacts his play in early winter months (my theory). maybe we should finally grant NT's wish and trade him to Dallas for Kyrie or Miami for Butler and see if the warm weather there will result in a complete all-star season for him. Separating Jamal from Jokic would put an end to this team. The more I watch, the more I am certain about it. It took Jamal 4 years to learn that pocket pass, to be lethal from p&r and to play bb right way. He's not replaceable at this stage of Jokic's career. But for this team to win, Jamal needs to be PO Jamal nothing less. We all are witnessing struggles of a decent PG (10+ years) just to pass the ball let alone to play proper way with Jokic. I also hope that comes PO time Jokic and Jamal will play more minutes together than now. Malone is not stupid to separate them for more than 2mins per Q It's not just the pocket pass too. It's how easy he makes it look, how quickly he recognizes it's the right decision. The reason why that 2 man game is unstoppable is because both players almost always make the correct read out of the action. They might not always score out of it but it almost always leads to an A+ look. Playoff time if needed Murray/Jokic will be both playing 40+ mpg. Especially Murray since he's still going to be tasked with keeping the bench units afloat. |
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Post by scooter on Mar 22, 2024 12:15:37 GMT -5
I was at the game and from my vantage point on the 3rd level the officiating was horrible for much of the game. Was I wrong in seeing it that way?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2024 12:43:05 GMT -5
I was at the game and from my vantage point on the 3rd level the officiating was horrible for much of the game. Was I wrong in seeing it that way? I was at the game too but I thought the officiating was good, except for a few calls. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 22, 2024 13:08:58 GMT -5
I was at the game and from my vantage point on the 3rd level the officiating was horrible for much of the game. Was I wrong in seeing it that way? No, you're not wrong. Jokic should've shot 20 free throws. It seems when he has teams that physically overmatched they're allowed to hack him even harder and more often than usual. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Mar 22, 2024 13:13:25 GMT -5
Legler/Mares have a good podcast where they get into the PG pecking order. They had SGA and Doncic in a tier, and then it becomes murky. They then got into a discussion about Brunson and Murray, with a short talk on Dame. I would of had Haliburton in that discussion pre-injury, but he's on my fantasy team and he hasn't been very good since he came back, and I worry they rushed him back. But I think you can objectively put Murray in the top 4-5 PG in the game, and the way he plays fits great with Jokic.
There are only a few guys who I think would slot in similarly to Murray.
SGA, Doncic, Donovan Mitchell (Probably a SG but he avg. 6+ apg), that's about it on guys who I think I'd rather have, but even that's debatable.
Murray probably 4, and then you have Fox and Brunson, now would Jokic elevate Fox and Brunson most likely but I think I'd rather have Murray over Fox because he's bigger and shoots better, and I'd rather have Jokic over Brunson because he's bigger, though Brunson is a dawg, and I like his game. But I'd rather have the guy I know vs. what I don't know on how it'd work. So anyone pushing to move Murray there is not a lot that would be better imo! What hurts Jamal on All-Star votes, is that the All-Star game loads up on the SG's at the expense of the PG's. He'd have a better chance if both conferences had to have 2 pg's on roster. Just my thoughts.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 22, 2024 13:16:15 GMT -5
No, Jamal is not top 5.
You're forgetting Steph Curry and Jrue Holiday.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Mar 22, 2024 13:18:47 GMT -5
No, Jamal is not top 5. You're forgetting Steph Curry and Jrue Holiday. Legler and Mares talk about that. I agree with Legler in that I don't see Curry as a PG, as 90% of his work is done off the ball, but I will agree if you consider him a PG I would put him over Murray. I personally wouldn't have Jrue over Murray, and I definitely wouldn't take him on this team over Murrary considering their strengths to their games. I'd also probably take booker over Murray, and I think Booker's efficeincy would go up with Jokic. My main point was just that there aren't alot of people clearly better than Murrary at the PG spot IMO. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 22, 2024 13:20:53 GMT -5
No, Jamal is not top 5. You're forgetting Steph Curry and Jrue Holiday. Legler and Mares talk about that. I agree with Legler in that I don't see Curry as a PG, as 90% of his work is done off the ball, but I will agree if you consider him a PG I would put him over Murray. I personally wouldn't have Jrue over Murray, and I definitely wouldn't take him on this team over Murrary considering their strengths to their games. Curry is definitely a point guard and Holiday is shooting 45% from 3 with only 1.8 TO per and playing the best defense you can possibly play from the 1 spot. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Mar 22, 2024 13:25:48 GMT -5
Legler and Mares talk about that. I agree with Legler in that I don't see Curry as a PG, as 90% of his work is done off the ball, but I will agree if you consider him a PG I would put him over Murray. I personally wouldn't have Jrue over Murray, and I definitely wouldn't take him on this team over Murrary considering their strengths to their games. Curry is definitely a point guard and Holiday is shooting 45% from 3 with only 1.8 TO per and playing the best defense you can possibly play from the 1 spot. Like I said I'd put Curry above Murray. I get what your saying about Holiday, But he's taking 10 shots a game, and is clearly the 5th option on that team. He's also under 5 apg same as Curry which is why I don't put them on same level as Murry in the PG category, they both come off as combo G to me, but that's my personal opinion, if you want to classify them as PG I'd probably put Curry over Murray, and I'd personally rather have Murray for this team then Jrue. I don't see Jrue as clearlry better then Murray. EDIT: Murray has a 27% usage and Holiday has a 16%. Murray is 2nd on the Nuggets in usage and Holiday is 8th. I wouldn't classify a guy 8th on his team in usage as a top tier PG IMO. Now on another team his usage goes up, but then his efficiency probably goes down and his TO's go up as well. |
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Post by JB on Mar 22, 2024 15:13:49 GMT -5
that passing clinic was the Nug version of showtime this play deserved a rewind. beautiful basketball. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Mar 22, 2024 15:34:22 GMT -5
that passing clinic was the Nug version of showtime this play deserved a rewind. beautiful basketball. It's fun to watch...but Gordon doing the Ben Simmons would've looked a whole lot worse if KCP doesn't make that shot. |
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