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Post by GBG on Mar 21, 2024 22:21:52 GMT -5
Murray turned ankle after W was secured. Staying healthy is a skill.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 21, 2024 22:22:08 GMT -5
Joker is having a 30 point triple double with no turnovers as we speak and you're on here whining that Jamal isn't getting as much credit for his 45% FG night with 4 assists and 3 TOs (including that sweet pass to AG as I type this). I have complained about Jokic zero times tonight because he's been great. However I do think it's pathetic that people give Jokic 100% of the credit tonight when MPJ has been all time great tonight. Murray has been very good too. Again, you can try to frame it any which way you want but you're as transparent as they come. |
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Post by somborshuffle on Mar 21, 2024 22:22:16 GMT -5
That's a great win against a tough team.
Jamal is one tough dude.
If the Knicks are at full strength then they will give Boston hell in rnd 2 of the playoffs.
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Post by Dante on Mar 21, 2024 22:22:23 GMT -5
Jordan sucks without Pippen, LBJ sucks without Wade,Bosh,Kyrie,Love...go figure
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:23:51 GMT -5
I have complained about Jokic zero times tonight because he's been great. However I do think it's pathetic that people give Jokic 100% of the credit tonight when MPJ has been all time great tonight. Murray has been very good too. Again, you can try to frame it any which way you want but you're as transparent as they come. Your words are emtpy. All you have to do is try to refute my argument. My argument is that it's embarrassing that people give Jokic 100% of the credit for this team and it's wins. Whenever you'd like to refute that or argue against it, I'll be all ears. I'd love to hear it. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 21, 2024 22:25:48 GMT -5
Again, you can try to frame it any which way you want but you're as transparent as they come. Your words are emtpy. All you have to do is try to refute my argument. My argument is that it's embarrassing that people give Jokic 100% of the credit for this team and it's wins. Whenever you'd like to refute that or argue against it, I'll be all ears. I'd love to hear it. Because Jokic is literally having one of the best peaks in the history of the NBA while MPJ and Murray are extremely inconsistent and it's pretty obvious that a great deal of their success is heavily dependent upon Jokic, whereas we watched Jokic carry a team of literal G-Leaguers to a playoff series win. |
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:25:58 GMT -5
Also just went back and checked, I called Jokic a star all the way back in 2016. Not bad for his #1 hater. Would love to see others pulling out receipts calling Jokic that in his age 22 season.
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Post by eathb on Mar 21, 2024 22:26:15 GMT -5
MPJ's March is legitimately all star level
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:28:32 GMT -5
Your words are emtpy. All you have to do is try to refute my argument. My argument is that it's embarrassing that people give Jokic 100% of the credit for this team and it's wins. Whenever you'd like to refute that or argue against it, I'll be all ears. I'd love to hear it. Because Jokic is literally having one of the best peaks in the history of the NBA while MPJ and Murray are extremely inconsistent and it's pretty obvious that a great deal of their success is heavily dependent upon Jokic, whereas we watched Jokic carry a team of literal G-Leaguers to a playoff series win. Take Murray off of the Nuggets and these are your most likely playoff results Loss in Round 1 against San Antonio Loss in Round 1 against Utah in bubble Loss in Round 2 against PHX Loss in Round 1 against GS Loss in WCF against LAL (I think that's being fair) Murray in the playoffs averages 25/5/6 on 47/40/91. We have to stop pretending like he's not an all time playoff legend. You can love Jokic and think he's the GOAT while also giving credit to other players on the team. I think it's also ridiculous that nobody gives Murray even 1% of credit for helping Jokic be better. You guys literally f***ing watch what it looks like with Reggie Jackson running the 2 man game with Jokic vs Murray running it with Jokic on a nightly basis. |
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Post by GBG on Mar 21, 2024 22:30:58 GMT -5
Ring, you don’t have to write 100’s of words to prove you’re right to others here. Just let it be.
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:31:12 GMT -5
Also if we're being fair and going to accept that most of those playoff results are likely without Murray (where else is Jokic getting a PG with those playoff numbers)...Jokic would be looked at similar to Embiid. An all time great talent that has under achieved in the playoffs.
It's a tough pill to swallow for you guys but it's pretty much a fact. Jokic doesn't win anything without Murray, just like Kobe doesn't win anything without Shaq/Pau, Lebron doesn't win anything without Wade/Kyrie/AD, etc.
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:32:24 GMT -5
Ring, you don’t have to write 100’s of words to prove you’re right to others here. Just let it be. I'm just tired of people saying I'm a hater of Jokic, don't appreciate his greatness, etc when I feel like all of my posts are extremely fair and consistent and have been for ages. When a player plays well, I say they do. When they play like s**t, I say they do. Have I not called out Jokic, Murray, AG, MPJ, Reggie, CB, Zeke and Watson multiple times this year? I literally think the only guy I never complain about is KCP lol I enjoyed the board a lot more when you could have basketball debates/arguments. Now it's literally "if you don't believe this team would go 0-82 without Jokic, you have no clue what you're talking about" It's gotten out of hand IMO. You literally cannot criticize the guy without people bitching. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 21, 2024 22:32:53 GMT -5
Also if we're being fair and going to accept that most of those playoff results are likely without Murray (where else is Jokic getting a PG with those playoff numbers)...Jokic would be looked at similar to Embiid. An all time great talent that has under achieved in the playoffs. It's a tough pill to swallow for you guys but it's pretty much a fact. Jokic doesn't win anything without Murray, just like Kobe doesn't win anything without Shaq/Pau, Lebron doesn't win anything without Wade/Kyrie/AD, etc. If you replaced Murray's salary with a similarly priced point guard Jokic would win with that point guard. It's when you replace him with nobody and let Facundo Campazzo take over that it becomes a struggle, but we were still a playoff team. Replace Joker with a Facu-level big and see how far Jamal takes us. |
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Post by alchemist76 on Mar 21, 2024 22:33:34 GMT -5
It's not hilarious it's true. Jokic +24, Murray 0. It would have been the same if Mike plays with the bench. On the other side Prime Jordan and LBJ together would get swept in the second round playing with Facu, Barton and Morris. But you're blind to see it Murray plays a lot of his minutes with Christian Braun, Peyton Watson and DJ. Jokic plays most of his minutes with Murray, KCP, MPJ and AG. Murray is basically being asked to carry a Facu/Barton/Monte group. It's nearly impossible. Jokic won a playoff round with those guys. It can be done |
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:34:24 GMT -5
Murray plays a lot of his minutes with Christian Braun, Peyton Watson and DJ. Jokic plays most of his minutes with Murray, KCP, MPJ and AG. Murray is basically being asked to carry a Facu/Barton/Monte group. It's nearly impossible. Jokic won a playoff round with those guys. It can be done Jokic is one of the 10-15 best players to ever play the game of basketball. Murray isn't. We shouldn't be upset, or complain about that. |
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:35:32 GMT -5
Also if we're being fair and going to accept that most of those playoff results are likely without Murray (where else is Jokic getting a PG with those playoff numbers)...Jokic would be looked at similar to Embiid. An all time great talent that has under achieved in the playoffs. It's a tough pill to swallow for you guys but it's pretty much a fact. Jokic doesn't win anything without Murray, just like Kobe doesn't win anything without Shaq/Pau, Lebron doesn't win anything without Wade/Kyrie/AD, etc. If you replaced Murray's salary with a similarly priced point guard Jokic would win with that point guard. It's when you replace him with nobody and let Facundo Campazzo take over that it becomes a struggle, but we were still a playoff team. Replace Joker with a Facu-level big and see how far Jamal takes us. How can you say that with 100% certainty? What if you replaced him with playoff choker James Harden? How about Luka who you claim isn't a winning basketball player? Again, you're minimizing how good Murray is, especially in the playoffs. Go find me all the guards in NBA history to post 25/5/5 on 45/40/90 shooting. Post that list. Thanks. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 21, 2024 22:37:51 GMT -5
Jokic won a playoff round with those guys. It can be done Jokic is one of the 10-15 best players to ever play the game of basketball. Murray isn't. We shouldn't be upset, or complain about that. It's like you never watched any of the other 10 best guys ever play a game. Do you think Jordan played his entire career at his peak level of engagement? Do you think LeBron never settles for bad jumpers when things aren't going his way? Even Tim Duncan wasn't Tim Duncan every single night. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 21, 2024 22:38:31 GMT -5
It's not hilarious it's true. Jokic +24, Murray 0. It would have been the same if Mike plays with the bench. On the other side Prime Jordan and LBJ together would get swept in the second round playing with Facu, Barton and Morris. But you're blind to see it Murray plays a lot of his minutes with Christian Braun, Peyton Watson and DJ. Jokic plays most of his minutes with Murray, KCP, MPJ and AG. Murray is basically being asked to carry a Facu/Barton/Monte group. It's nearly impossible. I agree that Murray is tasked with a very difficult task and it's not fair. Mpj would have been in the same position if forced to play with the bench. When I call the rest of the team losers I am not serious about it, just a frustration in the moment. But both Murray and Mpj are paid max money to play like this. Last game against Knicks one scored 5 points and the other one 9 wasting Jokic's 31 points in 27 minutes. And I stopped blaming Murray for anything long time ago. Betting against Murray is like walking around with hollow pockets full of money |
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Post by Dante on Mar 21, 2024 22:40:04 GMT -5
Without counting this year, Denver Nuggets were +4341 with and -3144. Per 48 min that is +11.54 with Jokić and -11.23. I am scared to even check this season because it only adds up on that.
Denver Nuggets are Jokic in every way, shape or form. When he retires, god knows when, or if this franchise gets a 20% of Jokic caliber player again. Not to mention champioship/s...
To think that Malone, Jamal, MPJ, Gordon, KCP would do what they do and have the status in the NBA that they have without Jokic is laughable.
As many flaws as Jamal has in typical point guard duties, i cant think of a better pair for Jokic than him.
MPJ is an awesome floor spacing shooter, but would gladly have OG + bench piece instead.
AG is a perfect 4 man for Jokic, much better than Millsap or Grant, on both ends of the floor (when he is not in Orlando mode)
KCP is an ultimate professional and a perfect 5th low usage rate 3&D guard that we needed instead of Barton.
Starting 5 is perfect. But the moment any of them are without Jokic on the floor. Everyone looks lost. Coaches, players, everyone. It's embarrassing for NBA team to look that bad and it's been for years now. So, when Jokic (who is playing 70+ games per season every year) is in load manage mode, i will NEVER call him out. In the playoffs it's entirely different story (And he just had one of the most dominant playoff performance in NBA history).
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Post by Ring on Mar 21, 2024 22:40:45 GMT -5
Jokic is one of the 10-15 best players to ever play the game of basketball. Murray isn't. We shouldn't be upset, or complain about that. It's like you never watched any of the other 10 best guys ever play a game. Do you think Jordan played his entire career at his peak level of engagement? Do you think LeBron never settles for bad jumpers when things aren't going his way? Even Tim Duncan wasn't Tim Duncan every single night. No, I think that when Kobe made it a point to not take shots and instead over-pass, Laker fans were fair to complain. Just like Nugget fans are fair to complain when Jokic doesn't play with great effort. Find me posts where I complain about Jokic having a bad shooting night or having bad turnovers. I'll just say he played poorly. I complain when he has zero interest in scoring because it makes everyone elses job on the team much more difficult. |
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