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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 6, 2024 4:00:32 GMT -5
I would like Jokic to get more rest considering the load he has to carry is prime LeBron level and he is literally the opposite of prime LeBron athletically. Some posters are actually sane and understand what the rest means But absolutely no posters here understand NBA bodies and rest better than Nuggets coaching and medical staff. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Apr 6, 2024 8:05:40 GMT -5
This notion of a low seed winning the championship is absolute nonsense. The only two teams to win a championship from a seed lower than 3 were both defending champions that coasted through the regular season (Bill Russell's Celtics and Hakeem Olajuwon's Rockets). Every other champion was a top 3 seed, and only 7 of them were the 3 seed. That 95 Hou team had a horrible first half to their season and only the trade for Drexler turned things around for them. |
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Post by JB on Apr 6, 2024 8:30:32 GMT -5
talent, chemistry and experience.
those are the 3 essential components to win a championship in the NBA.
homecourt is only essential in a topheavy conference where every tiny advantage is crucial. think the early aughts when the Kobe/Shaq Lakers and Manu/Parker/Duncan Spurs were fighting for conference supremacy. I'm sorry, but the T'Pups dealing with an injured KAT and an OKC team that's currently tanking to escape the 44-33 Lakers do not qualify as topheavy.
the Nuggets are a uniquely built team where virtually the entire cap is dedicated to the starting 5. the most comparable team I can think of, the Heatles, had Halsem and ringchasing vets like Nugget legend Chris "Birdman" Anderson, Battier and Ray Allen giving them quality minutes off the bench. the Nuggets have Reggie Jackson and two sophomores drafted at the backend of the 2022 draft lol. we're in uncharted waters here, so I don't believe it's useful to look at history as a guide.
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Post by GBG on Apr 6, 2024 10:36:54 GMT -5
Someone forgot health as an essential component. Also, quality off the bench is an essential ingredient to get through four rounds successfully. Last year, we had two such pieces in BB and CB, three if you count Green’s veteraniness and ability to take charges. This year, we have one good piece in CB, one raw piece in PWat, and two old vets in RJ and Holiday. Oh, but we still have DAJ. And what about Zeke!? He didn’t even get to play last postseason!
Good luck with that. We will need more than good fortune smiling down at us.
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Post by JB on Apr 6, 2024 11:12:00 GMT -5
yes, health is important but I would classify injuries as a factor mostly out of your control. the Nuggets acquired their talent, gained their experience and built their chemistry. those "essential components" were in their control.
and the Nuggets essentially won a championship with a 7 1/2 man rotation, with Jeff playing 17MPG and Braun playing 13MPG. Bruce was obviously important but I feel his absence can be compensated for with Braun improving and MPJ also improving on his 13PPG on .541 TS% performance from last years run -- which is a reasonable ask, in my opinion.
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Post by Ring on Apr 6, 2024 11:23:53 GMT -5
Home court is important. There's a reason the champion is typically a 1 or 2 seed and almost always had a 4 or 5 game series in their run. Less wear and tear on the body, less travel, etc. It's extremely important.
Is it like having home court in the East in a typical year where the 8 seed is terrible? No because the 8 seed to come out of the West will be a quality team. But again, you get the major advantage of the team you're playing going through 2 crucial Game 7 type games which means they'll be exhausted for Game 1 of the series while you get to rest.
It's also just much easier to win at home. I've said this multiple times this year but if the Nuggets grab the one seed and win 1 road game per series (which they did last year), all they have to do to win said series is not lose 2 home games. I don't see any team in the West beating Denver twice on their home floor in a series.
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Post by JB on Apr 6, 2024 11:46:17 GMT -5
the Nuggets were 6-3 on the road during the run last year.
it's important but not an absolute necessity. now, if KAT was healthy, scoring 20+PPG on absurd efficiency while also playing shockingly effective defense on Joker, which allows Gobert to play the helper? yes, HCA would probably be a top priority against that team. but that's a totally unrealistic ask for Towns coming back from knee surgery.
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Post by Ring on Apr 6, 2024 11:52:39 GMT -5
the Nuggets were 6-3 on the road during the run last year. it's important but not an absolute necessity. now, if KAT was healthy, scoring 20+PPG on absurd efficiency while also playing shockingly effective defense on Joker, which allows Gobert to play the helper? yes, I would want HCA against that team. but that's a totally unrealistic ask for Towns coming back from knee surgery. I think that's fair and I'm not really worried about OKC but I am worried about Minnesota as they have multiple guys to throw at both Murray and Jokic. But that's another reason why you want the 1 seed. A) You get homecourt which gvies you an advantage. B) You only play them if they make the WCF. Also, I still think Dallas and Phoenix are the only teams capable of beating Denver. I won't believe another team can do it until they do. To me the only way to beat the Nuggets starting 5 is to outscore them on insane volume ala what Booker did last year. Phoenix is MUCH better equipped this year. Beal > CP3. Allen > Okogie. Nurk > Ayton. 1) Denver 2) Minnesota 3) OKC 4) LAC 5) Dallas 6) Phoenix 7) Lakers 8) Kings/Pels You figure a healthy LAC/Dallas series goes 7 and they beat up on each other and the Nuggets would get Sacramento with no Monk (most likely) |
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Post by duh88 on Apr 6, 2024 19:33:34 GMT -5
Now that okc is tanking, it means we’re avoiding the TWolves until round 3. Good.
My next desire is to avoid the Pels, but it’s so fluid it’s hard to predict who will be at the bottom.
Ring is making a great argument for the first seed - but the 2nd seed with rest and avoidance of the wolves bracket sounds great to me.
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:30:05 GMT -5
Both, T-poops and okc will lose tomorrow
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:34:31 GMT -5
The 2nd apron next year will be about 190 million.
If we pick up Vlatko's option and Reggie and KCP pick up theirs, we'll be about $900,000 over that mark with 2 open roster spots (Holiday and Jordan's).
If we can trade Zeke and Reggie for lower salaries we might just be able to squeeze underneath it next year, which would be huge because the following year we're over it for sure.
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:38:28 GMT -5
Thunder have ruled out SGA and Jalen Williams for tomorrow, Hayward is questionable, Joe is probable
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Post by rock on Apr 6, 2024 22:39:26 GMT -5
The 2nd apron next year will be about 190 million. If we pick up Vlatko's option and Reggie and KCP pick up theirs, we'll be about $900,000 over that mark with 2 open roster spots (Holiday and Jordan's). If we can trade Zeke and Reggie for lower salaries we might just be able to squeeze underneath it next year, which would be huge because the following year we're over it for sure. Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:42:00 GMT -5
The 2nd apron next year will be about 190 million. If we pick up Vlatko's option and Reggie and KCP pick up theirs, we'll be about $900,000 over that mark with 2 open roster spots (Holiday and Jordan's). If we can trade Zeke and Reggie for lower salaries we might just be able to squeeze underneath it next year, which would be huge because the following year we're over it for sure. Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. The tax is irrelevant. The point is that if you're over the second apron for 3 out of any 5 years, your draft picks 7 years out automatically drop to the end of the round and they're frozen (meaning you can't trade them at all). And this penalty stacks continuously. So it's absolutely imperative that they delay the clock starting on the 2nd apron for an extra year if they can. It's franchise suicide to ignore it. Total 2nd apron penalties: -Teams will no longer be able to use the taxpayer mid-level exception. -If a team remains in the second apron three out of five seasons, their first-round pick will automatically move to the end of the round, beginning next season. -First-round picks seven years out — a valuable asset for capped-out contenders — cannot be traded beginning next season. -Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money. -Teams can’t use trade exceptions created from a prior year. -Teams can no longer use cash in trades. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:44:23 GMT -5
The 2nd apron next year will be about 190 million. If we pick up Vlatko's option and Reggie and KCP pick up theirs, we'll be about $900,000 over that mark with 2 open roster spots (Holiday and Jordan's). If we can trade Zeke and Reggie for lower salaries we might just be able to squeeze underneath it next year, which would be huge because the following year we're over it for sure. Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. He should have paid it for Bruce. Jokic's fall from the sky to Denver is once in a lifetime thing so it's worth paying luxury tax |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:45:45 GMT -5
Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. He should have paid it for Bruce. Jokic's fall from the sky to Denver is once in a lifetime thing so it's worth paying luxury tax Again, the tax is absolutely irrelevant. The draft pick freezing will destroy the long term health of the franchise. And we literally offered Bruce the most amount of money we possibly could. The only possible way we could have offered him a single penny more would be if we dumped a starter. It wasn't a matter of deciding not to offer more, we legally couldn't. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:47:23 GMT -5
Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. The tax is irrelevant. The point is that if you're over the second apron for 3 out of any 5 years, your draft picks 7 years out automatically drop to the end of the round and they're frozen (meaning you can't trade them at all). And this penalty stacks continuously. So it's absolutely imperative that they delay the clock starting on the 2nd apron for an extra year if they can. It's franchise suicide to ignore it. Total 2nd apron penalties: -Teams will no longer be able to use the taxpayer mid-level exception. -If a team remains in the second apron three out of five seasons, their first-round pick will automatically move to the end of the round, beginning next season. -First-round picks seven years out — a valuable asset for capped-out contenders — cannot be traded beginning next season. -Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money. -Teams can’t use trade exceptions created from a prior year. -Teams can no longer use cash in trades. Only the next 5 years are important and after that Nuggets will be in a deep shi* anyway |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 6, 2024 22:48:06 GMT -5
Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. He should have paid it for Bruce. Jokic's fall from the sky to Denver is once in a lifetime thing so it's worth paying luxury tax Huh? Bruce chose to leave because 20 million is a lot more than 7. Had nothing to do with not being willing to. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:50:03 GMT -5
He should have paid it for Bruce. Jokic's fall from the sky to Denver is once in a lifetime thing so it's worth paying luxury tax Huh? Bruce chose to leave because 20 million is a lot more than 7. Had nothing to do with not being willing to. We could pay to go above the second apron? Now is the time to go all in |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:50:27 GMT -5
The tax is irrelevant. The point is that if you're over the second apron for 3 out of any 5 years, your draft picks 7 years out automatically drop to the end of the round and they're frozen (meaning you can't trade them at all). And this penalty stacks continuously. So it's absolutely imperative that they delay the clock starting on the 2nd apron for an extra year if they can. It's franchise suicide to ignore it. Total 2nd apron penalties: -Teams will no longer be able to use the taxpayer mid-level exception. -If a team remains in the second apron three out of five seasons, their first-round pick will automatically move to the end of the round, beginning next season. -First-round picks seven years out — a valuable asset for capped-out contenders — cannot be traded beginning next season. -Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money. -Teams can’t use trade exceptions created from a prior year. -Teams can no longer use cash in trades. Only the next 5 years are important and after that Nuggets will be in a deep shi* anyway We'd be less likely to be able to attract or acquire help over the apron than we would be under the apron in any circumstance. The era of Lacob just choosing to pay infinite tax to build his dream team in Golden State is over. We will spend some years over the 2nd apron but it's too restricting to just commit to being over it every year for the rest of Jokic's career. It's utter nonsense. |
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