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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:51:12 GMT -5
Huh? Bruce chose to leave because 20 million is a lot more than 7. Had nothing to do with not being willing to. We could pay to go above the second apron? Now is the time to go all in It's not about the 2nd apron, we offered him the absolute most we'd be able to offer him under any circumstances given the rights we had to the player and our existing salary commitments. It's not an issue of not being willing, it's an issue of not being allowed. |
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 6, 2024 22:54:51 GMT -5
I know the CBA is complicated, but any fan who cares enough to post on a message board should at least learn the basics. Or at least not criticize management for not doing something that was literally impossible to begin with.
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:55:33 GMT -5
Only the next 5 years are important and after that Nuggets will be in a deep shi* anyway We'd be less likely to be able to attract or acquire help over the apron than we would be under the apron in any circumstance. The era of Lacob just choosing to pay infinite tax to build his dream team in Golden State is over. We will spend some years over the 2nd apron but it's too restricting to just commit to being over it every year for the rest of Jokic's career. It's utter nonsense. They won 4 titles and 2 more times played in the finals. It was worth any penny they paid. It looks like you're counting that Jokic will play till 35-36 and still be mvp good. I would take 4 titles in the next 4 years and be ok to rebuild for the next 5-6 years after that no matter the cost |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 22:56:53 GMT -5
We'd be less likely to be able to attract or acquire help over the apron than we would be under the apron in any circumstance. The era of Lacob just choosing to pay infinite tax to build his dream team in Golden State is over. We will spend some years over the 2nd apron but it's too restricting to just commit to being over it every year for the rest of Jokic's career. It's utter nonsense. They won 4 titles and 2 more times played in the finals. It was worth any penny they paid. It looks like you're counting that Jokic will play till 35-36 and still be mvp good. I would take 4 titles in the next 4 years and be ok to rebuild for the next 5-6 years after that no matter the cost For the tenth time, the rules of the league have changed drastically. The restrictions that the Nuggets are under now didn't exist just two years ago. It's a whole new era. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 6, 2024 22:57:11 GMT -5
We could pay to go above the second apron? Now is the time to go all in It's not about the 2nd apron, we offered him the absolute most we'd be able to offer him under any circumstances given the rights we had to the player and our existing salary commitments. It's not an issue of not being willing, it's an issue of not being allowed. My bad if we couldn't. I thought we offered him max we could to avoid the second apron. I apologize for causing this confusion. I have to admit that I didn't study the new rules |
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Post by GBG on Apr 6, 2024 23:19:14 GMT -5
I know the CBA is complicated, but any fan who cares enough to post on a message board should at least learn the basics. Or at least not criticize management for not doing something that was literally impossible to begin with. IIRC, and I might not, BB was a TPMLE contract, and we weren’t allowed to offer more than 20% above his 2023 salary, even to start in a multiyear deal. Or something like that. The new CBA cap rules forbade us from competing against other teams who were willing to hand him the bag. Correct? |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 23:22:48 GMT -5
I know the CBA is complicated, but any fan who cares enough to post on a message board should at least learn the basics. Or at least not criticize management for not doing something that was literally impossible to begin with. IIRC, and I might not, BB was a TPMLE contract, and we weren’t allowed to offer more than 20% above his 2023 salary, even to start in a multiyear deal. Or something like that. The new CBA cap rules forbade us from competing against other teams who were willing to hand him the bag. Correct? Correct, the only way we could have offered him more would have been to shed a ton of salary and the only way that could've been accomplished would've been to get rid of a starter. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 6, 2024 23:49:47 GMT -5
Something I hope they'll consider is offering KCP a lower per-year number for a longer term deal. He'll turn 32 next season so a 4 or 5 year deal might be pretty attractive. He's already made over 100 million dollars in his career so hopefully he likes living here and chasing rings enough to sign something team-friendly. He's in a much different situation than Bruce, who made more this season than he had in his whole career combined previously.
Instead of his 1 year, 15.4M option maybe something like 4 years x 13M or 5 x 11M. That would really help us get under the apron, at least for a year, which could make a world of difference. After next season Murray's raise will kick in and we'll definitely be over until the cap goes up significantly (and then a Joker raise is coming down the pipeline, which is why we probably have to shed MPJ eventually).
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Post by rock on Apr 7, 2024 0:42:06 GMT -5
Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. The tax is irrelevant. The point is that if you're over the second apron for 3 out of any 5 years, your draft picks 7 years out automatically drop to the end of the round and they're frozen (meaning you can't trade them at all). And this penalty stacks continuously. So it's absolutely imperative that they delay the clock starting on the 2nd apron for an extra year if they can. It's franchise suicide to ignore it. Total 2nd apron penalties: -Teams will no longer be able to use the taxpayer mid-level exception. -If a team remains in the second apron three out of five seasons, their first-round pick will automatically move to the end of the round, beginning next season. -First-round picks seven years out — a valuable asset for capped-out contenders — cannot be traded beginning next season. -Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money. -Teams can’t use trade exceptions created from a prior year. -Teams can no longer use cash in trades. Thanks. Didn’t know Is the Zeke extension going to be the thing that does us in? |
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Post by rock on Apr 7, 2024 0:42:35 GMT -5
Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. He should have paid it for Bruce. Jokic's fall from the sky to Denver is once in a lifetime thing so it's worth paying luxury tax Well that one wasn’t Stan’s fault. We literally weren’t allowed to pay bruce |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 7, 2024 0:52:48 GMT -5
The tax is irrelevant. The point is that if you're over the second apron for 3 out of any 5 years, your draft picks 7 years out automatically drop to the end of the round and they're frozen (meaning you can't trade them at all). And this penalty stacks continuously. So it's absolutely imperative that they delay the clock starting on the 2nd apron for an extra year if they can. It's franchise suicide to ignore it. Total 2nd apron penalties: -Teams will no longer be able to use the taxpayer mid-level exception. -If a team remains in the second apron three out of five seasons, their first-round pick will automatically move to the end of the round, beginning next season. -First-round picks seven years out — a valuable asset for capped-out contenders — cannot be traded beginning next season. -Salaries cannot be aggregated or combined to trade for a single player making more money. -Teams can’t use trade exceptions created from a prior year. -Teams can no longer use cash in trades. Thanks. Didn’t know Is the Zeke extension going to be the thing that does us in? It depends heavily on the outcomes of the Reggie and KCP 1 year options, but yes, if they don't trade Zeke they'll be over the apron considering they'll still have to sign their 1st round pick and presumably another veteran minimum if they don't bring back Holiday. Ideally they can trade Pickett, Tyson, Zeke, Reggie, and some picks for two players and reduced incoming salary. Ideally to a tanking team with cap space that can keep who they want, stash the picks, and buy out the rest. Then sign KCP to a longer term, lower value deal and that would give them some leeway to add a few more veteran contracts. It's time to say goodbye to DJ as an active player but I wouldn't mind bringing Holiday back on another minimum. Something like Murray / vet replacement / Gillespie on a minimum KCP / Braun / Strawther MPJ / Watson / Holiday Gordon / Cancar / vet or draft pick replacement / (Key or other two-way) Jokic / vet replacement / vet or draft pick replacement / (Huff or other two way) And then another guard two-way. |
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Post by rock on Apr 7, 2024 0:59:11 GMT -5
Seems like the front office dropped the ball big time with Zeke then. Had no idea it could get this bad.
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Post by famicommander on Apr 7, 2024 1:10:41 GMT -5
Seems like the front office dropped the ball big time with Zeke then. Had no idea it could get this bad. Like I said, there are things we can do to get under it for at least one more year. Then you definitely go over for two years, then hope that the cap has risen enough by the third year to squeak underneath it again. But, given how damn close we'll be to the line next year, I think they have to pull out all the stops to get underneath it. That one extra year before Jamal and Joker get raises could make all the difference. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 7, 2024 2:32:43 GMT -5
The 2nd apron next year will be about 190 million. If we pick up Vlatko's option and Reggie and KCP pick up theirs, we'll be about $900,000 over that mark with 2 open roster spots (Holiday and Jordan's). If we can trade Zeke and Reggie for lower salaries we might just be able to squeeze underneath it next year, which would be huge because the following year we're over it for sure. Or stan can simply pay the tax. He’s worth 16 billion. His wife is worth 10 billion. It’s like us paying $50. During the jokic era he should literally pay anything it takes the next few years. We all know priorities Calvin will have this summer |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 7, 2024 2:35:55 GMT -5
I know the CBA is complicated, but any fan who cares enough to post on a message board should at least learn the basics. Or at least not criticize management for not doing something that was literally impossible to begin with. You could have just explained it |
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Post by duh88 on Apr 7, 2024 5:11:28 GMT -5
"The Lacob era is over" -
110%. Just going to enjoy this Nuggets core while it lasts.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2024 7:39:06 GMT -5
Thunder @ Hornets ...lets see if the Thunder tank this game
Timberwolves @ Lakers (-2.5) ...decent chance Timberwolves lose
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Post by famicommander on Apr 7, 2024 13:38:32 GMT -5
After ruling him out on yesterday's injury report the Thunder have upgraded Jalen Williams to questionable today against the Hornets.
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Post by rock on Apr 7, 2024 15:05:31 GMT -5
After ruling him out on yesterday's injury report the Thunder have upgraded Jalen Williams to questionable today against the Hornets. They are winning either way. |
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Post by rock on Apr 7, 2024 16:02:40 GMT -5
What is going on?
The same cavs team we just destroyed is now destroying the clippers. The same clippers team that just beat us a few days ago
Frustrating
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