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Post by eathb on Jun 6, 2023 8:36:14 GMT -5
I'm still upset about the loss
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Post by Ring on Jun 6, 2023 8:42:40 GMT -5
please Malone, just ape Miami's defensive strategy and let Jimmy Buckets score 50 and stop the role players. he's injured, he's tasked with guarding Jamal now. he's great, but he's not Heat-era LeBron. As I have said from the beginning of time, 2s will never beat you in the modern NBA. 3s and high volume FTs will. You cannot outscore/out-efficiency Jokic. |
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Post by game on Jun 6, 2023 11:07:30 GMT -5
Malone should have used some portion of his media availability to at least highlight what guys like Vincent are allowed to do to Jokic. Some of the other missed calls I think are pretty self-explanatory and one-off, but the level of grabbing and physicality is such a moving target, it's worthwhile to politic for appropriate officiating.
But like George Karl, it's all about separating himself as coach from a loss. It's on the players. Gameplan was perfect - they didn't try.
We're one loss away from him calling them soft for the 600th time.
I think Game 3 tells a lot about the rest of the series. Not calling it a must win or anything, it's not (need one of 3 and 4 though), but if we see a lot of the same stuff in Game 3, there's reason to be concerned that there are some things that aren't easily fixed by trying harder.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 6, 2023 12:10:56 GMT -5
It's been all season, put up or shutup time,,players and coaches
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jun 6, 2023 12:15:55 GMT -5
Denver is winning the next two games. *three |
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jun 6, 2023 12:16:29 GMT -5
It's been all season, put up or shutup time,,players and coaches Shut up casual |
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 6, 2023 12:18:32 GMT -5
It's been all season, put up or shutup time,,players and coaches Shut up casual You f**k this up you should be ban |
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Post by scooter on Jun 6, 2023 12:18:36 GMT -5
Malone should have used some portion of his media availability to at least highlight what guys like Vincent are allowed to do to Jokic. Some of the other missed calls I think are pretty self-explanatory and one-off, but the level of grabbing and physicality is such a moving target, it's worthwhile to politic for appropriate officiating. . The problem is that would be complaining about all of the officiating in the NBA for the last 10 seasons. Its clear that its just a league-wide officiating trend of favoring smaller players in physical matchups against bigger players. |
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Post by game on Jun 6, 2023 12:29:48 GMT -5
Malone should have used some portion of his media availability to at least highlight what guys like Vincent are allowed to do to Jokic. Some of the other missed calls I think are pretty self-explanatory and one-off, but the level of grabbing and physicality is such a moving target, it's worthwhile to politic for appropriate officiating. . The problem is that would be complaining about all of the officiating in the NBA for the last 10 seasons. Its clear that its just a league-wide officiating trend of favoring smaller players in physical matchups against bigger players. Very true. Little guy falls down because they got into a bad switch and are outmatched, and they often get rewarded. I do think this is one of the few areas coaching speaking in the media can actually affect officiating slightly on the margins, though. Specifically calling out overly physical play against a star player. We've seen it work. Phil was the master - we all recall his defense of Kobe and what was characterized as dirty play by Dahntay Jones. It worked. Mark Jackson did it with Steph. Worked. I understand those aren't big guys, but it does have an impact on star players. I think it's actually a really important battle line, especially in the fourth quarter when Miami has been dropping into a zone. Malone has to defend his player here. He's the engine of everything. Chip away 2% of his effectiveness because you have more latitude to foul him, it's bad news. Chip away even more, and we know Jokic can get frustrated and have it affect him. Some may perceive it as whining, but I think it's a pretty important battle line. |
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Post by scooter on Jun 6, 2023 14:16:03 GMT -5
OK — so some folks here and elsewhere have lauded Spoelstra for making an adjustment and starting Love rather than Martin in game 2 after game 1 started with Gordon throwing down some dunks. Here’s an observation — the Heat getting open threes has already lasted much longer — most of the 96 minutes — than Gordon’s 5 minute dunk fest. Its clear the Heat are going to play the space and chuck game and have their mini-army of SGs running screen actions or just relocating to get free for threes, and also taking advantage inside if the Nuggets push their defense out too much to compensate.
Through 2 games, Porter is shooting 38.2% TS% and has a -26/game net rating. An honest use of the eye test would tell anyone he (and frankly Jokic as well) is not very well suited to changing direction to make 15 foot recovery moves to challenge shots either outside or inside.
Should the Nuggets make a rotation change and substitute some Brown/Braun/somebody minutes for some of Porter’s minutes to avoid playing Jokic/Porter/Gordon (each of whom is slower than the guy he is guarding much of the time) at the same time?
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Post by TNF on Jun 6, 2023 14:31:18 GMT -5
Kevin Love was covered as if his history against us never existed. The dude has been a Nugget-killer his entire career, which is one of the reasons there was always talk of trading for him.
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Post by freakns on Jun 6, 2023 14:46:36 GMT -5
I had to think deeply about Scooter's comments, that 2 PF's on the floor were costing us - it caused me to do a deep-dive review of both of the last games. My notes: 1. LOW SCORING: Why are we scoring low (below 110, both games)? This is simple - we're just not hitting the amount of 3-pointers were use to. I want to say that MPJ is being tired out by Miami's offense - but I don't see Miami doing a lot of cutting, and trying to exhaust us. I believe it was the long layoff - our guys lost their 3-point shooting focus. Fortunately, 3-point shooting was better in Game 2 - I expect that to trend up. 2. MIAMI'S ZONE: Miami has used a very good zone against us - we need to drive inside against that zone, or have Jokic post up. We've actually collected a lot of offensive rebounds against Miami's zone, because the size mismatch gets exposed especially loudly there. When we've had good sequences, we've usually broken up Miami's zone by going inside, leading them to switch to sloppy man-on-man defense. 3. WHY WE LOST GAME 2: Simple explanation - too many mental mistakes. Jamal had an inbounds go wrong in the 4th, Jokic overthrew Jamal on a pass in the 4th, Jokic offensive fouls, too many fouls against Miami (especially when they beat us inside, for a layup), along with KCP stupid fouls -- overall, I've never seen our team commit so many mental mistakes. 4. WHY MIAMI CAN MAKE 3'S: Counter to what's being argued here - we actually didn't double-team Butler very much. We did hedge (that cost us) - but for the most part, we left Butler on islands. Miami honestly didn't get very many wide open shots (my apologies on that claim). On most Miami shots, we had a hand in their face. So how did they score? This is where Miami playing so many games has helped - they have great focus. This is going to drop-off, as tired legs set in. But the advantage Miami has of playing more games is their shooting focus is truly better right now (whereas ours was lousy out the gate). SUMMARY NOTES: I've not seen too many games where the ref whistles (Bam goaltend, Jimmy out of bounds 3-pointer, etc) went against us so ardently. So basically, in order to beat us, Miami needed the following: - Make 3-pointers at an irrational rate with hands in their faces. - Have Denver commit multiple mental mistakes. - Have referee whistles heavily favor them, especially in a critical 4th quarter. If one of those 3 things above doesn't happen, we win. This is not to even include that our intensity was garbage. I wasn't worried before - I'm worried even less now. Not to say Miami is bad - no - quite a good team that is well-disciplined. As long as our guys take their guys seriously, come with intensity, and don't f**k AROUND - we're going to win big. Rest easy, all. urgh... 1. ummm, no. reason for low scoring game is extremely low pace. we were hitting 3s at 40% game 2, cant expect much better percentage. our offense is fine, we just have much less possesions during 48 minutes 2. again, no. you don't attack zone driving inside, nor posting up. 2-3 zone is attacked by ball movement, 3 pointers and cutting. but first you need to give Jokic ball on high post, in which case Miami is changing their zone from 2-3 to some sort of matchup zone. have to say, it looks f-ing strange, cause they tend to move one guy from wing closer to Jokic, so zone become something between 2-3, 1-3-1 and matchup zone. in that case, cornet guy needs to find soft spot, so help defender isn't within passing lane. zone doesn't worry me, guys just needs to be concentrate, and when they see Jokic getting ball, move their ass so passing lane is open. not nuclear science, everyone older then 11 years in Europe knows how to do it. 4. Miami had plenty wide open shots. and once you hit 2 open shots, then even contested shots become easier... its confidence thing. when I played basketball, once I felt hot, I was hitting mid ranges with insane rate... same goes for 3s for 3 point shooters. also, hoping Miami will stop shooting that good is road to disaster. Milwaukee and Boston hoped same thing, and look how those series ended. You need to play physically, let them feel you, disrupt their rhythm. Look at NY series. Knicks never let them be comfortable, so Heat shoot pretty bad whole series. You never hope something happens, you prevent bad things if you can. I do agree we will win this series, but I'm not less worried now. Lakers were less worried after game 1 against Nuggets, look at how that ended. Heat showed they can beat us, in our house, thats not good sign however you slice it. |
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Post by blackhill on Jun 6, 2023 16:48:58 GMT -5
Nugs won 7 of their last 8 playoff games. The cream rises to the top. Joker is going to do this.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 6, 2023 17:23:19 GMT -5
It's over
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 6, 2023 17:47:39 GMT -5
Is mpj playing?
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Post by eathb on Jun 6, 2023 18:06:03 GMT -5
The Heat scored 36 on 19 poss (189.5 per 100) in the 4th quarter, the most efficient 4th quarter for any team in any game in the last 2 seasons. In danger of falling into an 0-2 hole, the Heat trailed by eight with 12 minutes left and then came up with their best offensive quarter of the season
I can't believe the team would fold like this
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 6, 2023 18:20:42 GMT -5
OK — so some folks here and elsewhere have lauded Spoelstra for making an adjustment and starting Love rather than Martin in game 2 after game 1 started with Gordon throwing down some dunks. Here’s an observation — the Heat getting open threes has already lasted much longer — most of the 96 minutes — than Gordon’s 5 minute dunk fest. Its clear the Heat are going to play the space and chuck game and have their mini-army of SGs running screen actions or just relocating to get free for threes, and also taking advantage inside if the Nuggets push their defense out too much to compensate. Through 2 games, Porter is shooting 38.2% TS% and has a -26/game net rating. An honest use of the eye test would tell anyone he (and frankly Jokic as well) is not very well suited to changing direction to make 15 foot recovery moves to challenge shots either outside or inside. Should the Nuggets make a rotation change and substitute some Brown/Braun/somebody minutes for some of Porter’s minutes to avoid playing Jokic/Porter/Gordon (each of whom is slower than the guy he is guarding much of the time) at the same time? MPJ was a beast defensively game 1 when the Heat had a smaller lineup and Love wasn't as involved. Didn't a bunch of the players say he was the best defensive player on the team after the game? .. Removing his minutes feels like a panic move. Also feels like you risk hurting his confidence. It's actually something I could see Malone doing tho and IMO is a mistake. MPJ has the offensive ability to pop off and even getting 1 of those games in the finals would be huge. His defense has improved alot in the playoffs as well .. and last game he wasn't the only culprit. For me the issue is easy and it's been the same thing the entire season. Inconsistency. We've done a good job the entire playoffs fixing it and it came undone last game. Murray hasn't been the rollercoaster in the playoffs like he was in the regular season and that's a huge reason this team is thriving. The defense has been far more consistent in the playoffs than the regular season. If the Nuggets played like there usual defense, Murray has a better start, MPJ hits an extra shot or two and the Nuggets are up 2-0. No need to panic and overreact to what was a bad game by Denver. |
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Post by duh88 on Jun 6, 2023 19:39:06 GMT -5
Removing mpj is not the answer at all. You lose good defense, good rebounding and shot blocking.
MPJ just needs to keep shooting and find his focus.
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 6, 2023 20:00:08 GMT -5
Removing mpj is not the answer at all. You lose good defense, good rebounding and shot blocking. MPJ just needs to keep shooting and find his focus. Agreed. Nuggets need to ride or die with what works. IMO it's obviously better than the Heat. They'll just need to show up. They can't punt the first 4 minutes of the game or fall asleep at the wheel. It's the NBA finals. The regular season defense can't rear it's ugly head. We saw all year it look brutal sometimes and great others. We've seen Murray hit tough shots against everybody but also look average the next night. For most of the playoffs they've cleaned all that up and it's been impressive. First the first time in awhile we saw the otherside of the Nuggets. The fact it was within 3 is probably the only positive to take away assuming the moment isn't to big and we keep seeing it. It reminds me of game 1 of the Lakers series where some wanted Gordon's role reduced after a win. Even the switches with Murray on LeBron struck fear. Nuggets needed to figure it out and they did with both guys playing. No different vs the Heat. MPJ is going to play a big role and I hope Malone doesn't panic. Nuggets just need to show up. Now maybe if you get in a hole you make the switch just for the mental aspect of it but the Nuggets shouldn't be adjusting to Miami at this point IMO. Contest, make the proper rotations, show up on time, Murray needs to get his buckets and MPJ needs to knock down the good looks like Miami is right now. |
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Post by GBG on Jun 6, 2023 20:24:36 GMT -5
I find it ironic that scooter, who has been steadfast defender of Malone’s rotations through the playoffs, including his use of Jeff Green, would flinch at the first sign of adversity. I find it totally unsurprising that the first change he recommends is to reduce MPJ’s playing time upon his first rough game in a while. He despises him, and I don’t know why.
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