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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 10:18:34 GMT -5
Officiating could be better but at this point we can't blame officiating for anything. When we play 4 on 5 it's difficult to win. Especially for 41 minutes. Also we can blame on Murray as much as we want but Malone is the one who has the power to adjust and I am 100% sure that is not going to happen if that assumes less minutes for Murray. I am also 100% sure that Murray will have a few more very good games but the problem is that he needs to be good in every game not just in a few. He may have a game down here and there but not 30% or more games where he's not top 2 Nugget performer. He's still taking the most amount of shots and that carries a lot of responsibility. I think the bigger issue with Murray last night was simply that he couldn't get the team into their offense. I mean how often does the Nuggets offense look bad? Jokic had to carry the entire scoring load and a lot of that is because the Nuggets weren't in rhythm the entire game. The problem with Murray isn't that he has bad games, it's that his floor is so low and he's always going to be very high usage. I think of Murray and MPJ as a 2A/2B but the Nuggets clearly don't see it that way. Like if we're being completely honest, MPJ is a much more consistent player than Murray. Could he do that as a #2 option now? I'm not sure if he's ready for that yet. But Murray has to be better. Booker and KD are going to give you 25 a night. Murray can't be having 3/4 games where he shoots under 43%. But it's not the % that bother me. It's that he can't get us into our offense and that hurts the entire team. |
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Post by alchemist76 on Apr 24, 2023 10:22:01 GMT -5
Cant be consistat while out of shape
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 10:35:48 GMT -5
2 games in Minny 57-31 FTA difference 2 home games 42-39 Nuggets How?  Exactly |
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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 10:41:40 GMT -5
Cant be consistat while out of shape Very good point and also extremely concerning because it's been an issue for him his entire career (outside of the bubble where there was a major lay-off) I'll give him a pass for this year because rehabbing the ACL and taking 1.5 years off from NBA basketball makes it impossible to get in elite shape, but Jamal really needs to mature in the offseason when it comes to his body. MPJ, AG and Jokic don't get as tired and all 3 are much bigger guys. The good news is...historically Jamal performs the best against Phoenix. Lets get to the Phoenix series and not f**k around. I'm very curious if they use Craig or Booker on him. |
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Post by freakns on Apr 24, 2023 10:50:03 GMT -5
Officiating could be better but at this point we can't blame officiating for anything. When we play 4 on 5 it's difficult to win. Especially for 41 minutes. Also we can blame on Murray as much as we want but Malone is the one who has the power to adjust and I am 100% sure that is not going to happen if that assumes less minutes for Murray. I am also 100% sure that Murray will have a few more very good games but the problem is that he needs to be good in every game not just in a few. He may have a game down here and there but not 30% or more games where he's not top 2 Nugget performer. He's still taking the most amount of shots and that carries a lot of responsibility. I think the bigger issue with Murray last night was simply that he couldn't get the team into their offense. I mean how often does the Nuggets offense look bad? Jokic had to carry the entire scoring load and a lot of that is because the Nuggets weren't in rhythm the entire game. The problem with Murray isn't that he has bad games, it's that his floor is so low and he's always going to be very high usage. I think of Murray and MPJ as a 2A/2B but the Nuggets clearly don't see it that way. Like if we're being completely honest, MPJ is a much more consistent player than Murray. Could he do that as a #2 option now? I'm not sure if he's ready for that yet. But Murray has to be better. Booker and KD are going to give you 25 a night. Murray can't be having 3/4 games where he shoots under 43%. But it's not the % that bother me. It's that he can't get us into our offense and that hurts the entire team. I thought rock is panicking, but this is golden... you are literally definition of prisoner of the moment. Have you watched the game last night? How many times Murray had help just to get the ball to their half? He was constantly pressured, and there was no help. MPJ is more consistent? Again, have you watched the game last night? MPJ was completely out of the game. Now, that might be because of Murray and Jokic, but I haven't really seen him going after it. Might be Malone, its quite possible he order no ball should go to MPJ, but I highly doubt that. You guys are calling for objective basketball discussion... and then you compare Murray with Kevin Durant. well, lemme tell you something, Murray is not on KDs level. He just isn't. Also, there are maybe 5 players in NBA who are. So not sure thats fair comparison. But OK, lets do it. Now, since you used stat you find preferable, so will I. So far in the playoffs, KD: 27 assists, 15 turnovers Booker: 22 assists, 12 turnovers Jamal: 27 assists, 11 turnovers Worth mentioning, they both have 25 more minutes then Jamal. Oh, btw, Jokic: 33 assists, 12 turnovers Phoenix ring : "kme, kme, kme... why Booker can't be like Murray and deliver you 7 assists per game... kme, kme, kme" explanation: cause a) he is not main facilitator, CP3 is. just like Murray isn't main scorer, or facilitator for that matter. cause b) Phoenix and Nuggets runs totally different offenses. now, all of this aside, and lets say you are completely, 100% correct on your take. they why have you celebrating Murray like second coming of Jesus after game 2? after all, you do preach about consistency. ps. Nuggets are up 3-1, not down. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 11:01:16 GMT -5
When MPJ isn't involved in the offense, it's typically a symptom of the offense not being in rhythm and flowing. That USUALLY happens when Murray is taking too many shots or is struggling to get the team into their offense. He has to do a better job of balancing his offense and the teams. He was really bad last night.
I love Jamal but this is a make or break playoff run for him. If he is the reason we lose a series, he needs to be traded. It's as simple as that. You can't just keep running it back and hoping it'll work. Jokic is at worst the 2nd best player in the sports and is an EASY Championship contender if paired with a 2nd star. You can't keep wasting a player of that calibers prime without an All Star running mate. Those are just the way things go in the modern NBA.
If you replace Murray with Booker, the Nuggets are walking to the finals. It's as simple as that. Murray HAS to be better. The Nuggets scored like 96 points in regulation yesterday. What was the biggest reason for that?
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Post by alchemist76 on Apr 24, 2023 13:00:42 GMT -5
Cant be consistat while out of shape Very good point and also extremely concerning because it's been an issue for him his entire career (outside of the bubble where there was a major lay-off) I'll give him a pass for this year because rehabbing the ACL and taking 1.5 years off from NBA basketball makes it impossible to get in elite shape, but Jamal really needs to mature in the offseason when it comes to his body. MPJ, AG and Jokic don't get as tired and all 3 are much bigger guys. The good news is...historically Jamal performs the best against Phoenix. Lets get to the Phoenix series and not f**k around. I'm very curious if they use Craig or Booker on him. Jamal is a Suns killer. AND we are going to need all of it. |
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Post by freakns on Apr 24, 2023 14:02:42 GMT -5
When MPJ isn't involved in the offense, it's typically a symptom of the offense not being in rhythm and flowing. That USUALLY happens when Murray is taking too many shots or is struggling to get the team into their offense. He has to do a better job of balancing his offense and the teams. He was really bad last night. I love Jamal but this is a make or break playoff run for him. If he is the reason we lose a series, he needs to be traded. It's as simple as that. You can't just keep running it back and hoping it'll work. Jokic is at worst the 2nd best player in the sports and is an EASY Championship contender if paired with a 2nd star. You can't keep wasting a player of that calibers prime without an All Star running mate. Those are just the way things go in the modern NBA. If you replace Murray with Booker, the Nuggets are walking to the finals. It's as simple as that. Murray HAS to be better. The Nuggets scored like 96 points in regulation yesterday. What was the biggest reason for that? I said these playoffs are make or break for whole team. Mainly Malone, Jamal and MPJ. But that doesn't mean I'm going to bring fury of the gods onto Murray cause he had bad game... Thing is, everyone had bad game. Everyone. Including Jokic despite his 43 points. Biggest reason for low scoring was inadequate, slow offense(geeez, Im so slick with these explanations). We may say biggest reason is Murray, and it might be true, but he certainly wasn't the only reason. In no moment of the game people were getting open and Jamal simply refuse to pass the ball. It was more like "look, Jamal is dribbling, I guess I'll stay here, maybe ball will magically find me. No need to waste stamina on trying to get open" |
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Post by GBG on Apr 24, 2023 14:03:13 GMT -5
I love Jamal but this is a make or break playoff run for him. If he is the reason we lose a series, he needs to be traded. It's as simple as that. You can't just keep running it back and hoping it'll work. Jokic is at worst the 2nd best player in the sports and is an EASY Championship contender if paired with a 2nd star. No he doesn’t. Your are beyond a hot takey dramaqueen. If we lose a series, it will be for a variety of reasons, you can’t just pick one scapegoat and demand he be traded. You’ve been the biggest Murray cheerleader on this board through the years, and have absolutely zero belief in him, lol. We could lose to an unconscious shooting Suns team and run it back since the Suns will have a short shelf life while we remain young. You said it yourself. Murray isn’t in the best shape since he spent a year and a half getting over his ACL. If we get eliminated, the fire in him will burn even hotter. Even money odds he’d come back next season at a different level and finally makes an All Star team. And you want to 100% trade him if “he’s the reason we lose a series”. Beyond dumbstruck at this attitude. That said, maybe we do trade him for a star like Lillard. I think it would be a blunder, but panic driven mistakes happen in sports. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 14:20:45 GMT -5
I love Jamal but this is a make or break playoff run for him. If he is the reason we lose a series, he needs to be traded. It's as simple as that. You can't just keep running it back and hoping it'll work. Jokic is at worst the 2nd best player in the sports and is an EASY Championship contender if paired with a 2nd star. No he doesn’t. Your are beyond a hot takey dramaqueen. If we lose a series, it will be for a variety of reasons, you can’t just pick one scapegoat and demand he be traded. You’ve been the biggest Murray cheerleader on this board through the years, and have absolutely zero belief in him, lol. We could lose to an unconscious shooting Suns team and run it back since the Suns will have a short shelf life while we remain young. You said it yourself. Murray isn’t in the best shape since he spent a year and a half getting over his ACL. If we get eliminated, the fire in him will burn even hotter. Even money odds he’d come back next season at a different level and finally makes an All Star team. And you want to 100% trade him if “he’s the reason we lose a series”. Beyond dumbstruck at this attitude. That said, maybe we do trade him for a star like Lillard. I think it would be a blunder, but panic driven mistakes happen in sports. Yes, he does. I'm as high on Jamal as pretty much anyone here and always back him up. And I do believe in him. Just because I believe in him doesn't mean he's going to play well lol. If the Nuggets lose a series and he continues to struggle, he has to be traded. You cannot just sit and wait and hope that Jamal turns into an All Star level player. You have a generational, all time great player in Jokic. The organization owes it to him to put the best possible team around him. We've already wasted 2 years of Jokics prime due to Murrays injury. Bad luck of course but it's still a fact. The bottom line is if you just replaced Murray with a guy like Devin Booker, the Nuggets are a guaranteed lock to win it all. Murray can reach the highs of Booker, but he's nowhere near as consistent. If Murray plays well against Phoenix (should we get there), then you just tip your cap to Phoenix and make smaller changes. If he plays poorly (the level he played at last night), it's pretty clear we have to move on. I think this is a case where Nuggets fans are just tied to a guy they've seen grow from his rookie year. The perception around the NBA is that Murray isn't consistent enough to be the #2 on a Championship team. Outside of the bubble, that's been a fact. Lillard is too old. He'll be 33 in July. Have to find someone in the 27-30 range. |
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Post by voodoo on Apr 24, 2023 14:51:00 GMT -5
Did Jamal score 40 points during a game in this series?
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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 14:55:06 GMT -5
Did Jamal score 41 points during a game in this series? Yes. Here are his shooting numbers from the games he didn't score 41 points aka 75% of the games. 41%. 44%. 38%. Now below is Devin Bookers 3 worst games in the series 48%, 53%, 62%. Here is Anthony Edwards worst 3 (much more pressure on him): 40%, 44%, 46% Nobody is saying Jamal can't go off in the playoffs. Everyone knows he can. The problem is when he doesn't, his floor is much lower than all the other quality guards in the NBA. |
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Post by voodoo on Apr 24, 2023 15:03:26 GMT -5
They should have kept bones
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Post by Ring on Apr 24, 2023 15:11:40 GMT -5
They should have kept bones This should be a bannable offense |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 15:18:25 GMT -5
Luka Doncic will be a nice Jamal replacement
It’s inevitable that Jokic and him will want to play together
Surround Luka and Jokic with defenders
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Post by famicommander on Apr 24, 2023 15:28:54 GMT -5
We're winning it this year. We don't need Luka and we don't want that cancer in our locker room.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 15:35:08 GMT -5
We don't need Luka and we don't want that cancer in our locker room.What makes you say that about him? I can't think of any under 30 all-stars available on the market AND want to play with Jokic ...Luka is the obvious choice |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 24, 2023 15:40:05 GMT -5
We don't need Luka and we don't want that cancer in our locker room.What makes you say that about him? I can't think of any under 30 all-stars available on the market AND want to play with Jokic ...Luka is the obvious choice He's never in shape He drinks on game day He doesn't play defense His shot selection is ridiculously bad He insists on taking all the technical free throws even when he's the worst of the 5 free throw shooters on the court He yells at the scoring table to give him assists during live game action, leaving his team to play defense 4 on 5 (this happened against the Nuggets) He complains more than almost anybody in the league, which is saying something because basketball stars are whiny by nature He only cares about his statline. He doesn't want to do the things necessary to win consistently. |
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Post by GBG on Apr 24, 2023 16:17:18 GMT -5
Luka is the worst fit of a superstar with Jokic imaginable. We need shooters and defenders, not volume scorers who are slow and unathletic.
This message board needs to stop fantasizing about having Luka join Jokic. It would be as bad a pairing as AI with MElo was (though Jokic is by far the best of the four).
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 24, 2023 16:54:39 GMT -5
They should have kept bones This should be a bannable offense I agree, ban voo |
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