Jokic IS the MVP

[nuggetshipster]

And one can think Jokic is better without pretending there is no contest

By pretending there is no contest then you are just making your biased opinion less worth


And if you really think he is that far ahead of every other player then you should be ready with your pitchforks (not for Malone or Murray but Jokic) if we dont win it all

[famicommander]

Mar 25, 2023 3:13:41 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

Welcome to the NBA lmao

I didn't say I was shocked this is happening. I don't really even care about the awards and the NBA has always been about stupid narratives.

But if you're asking who should be MVP there's only one reasonable answer. The level Jokic has played at these last few years hasn't been since since LeBron's absolute peak.

[nuggetshipster]

Mar 25, 2023 3:17:32 GMT -5 famicommander said:

Mar 25, 2023 3:13:41 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

Welcome to the NBA lmao

I didn't say I was shocked this is happening. I don't really even care about the awards and the NBA has always been about stupid narratives.

But if you're asking who should be MVP there's only one reasonable answer. The level Jokic has played at these last few years hasn't been since since LeBron's absolute peak.

Mar 24, 2023 17:26:08 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

Mar 24, 2023 11:18:33 GMT -5 JB said:

the vast majority of MVP voters are swayed by narrative so 6er game will absolutely determine the MVP.

as a matter of principle, I'm hoping Jokic beats the dog s**t out of the 6ers but winning 3x would put the Nuggets in "anything less than a championship is a total failure" mode so get ready for that.

Jokic is the MVP if he wins MVP or not so it kinda is ring or total faliure

[famicommander]

Mar 25, 2023 3:16:36 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

And one can think Jokic is slightly better without pretending there is no contest

By pretending there is no contest then you are just making your biased opinion less worth

The numbers are what they are and Jokic's are substantially better. The biased people are the ones trying to turn it into a contest to stir up controversy and make interesting stories.

You're falling victim to the middle ground fallacy. Just because there are two opposite opinions doesn't mean they're equally valid. One player clearly has a drastically better case than the other.

[GBG]

IMO, Jokic would have had to average a 30-point triple double this season for voters to give him a third straight MVP, considering there are plausible alternatives (Embiid and Giannis).

Instead, he’s not even averaging a true triple double anymore and time is running out to get there. And failing to average 25 ppg when he averaged 27 in his second MVP season gives voters another excuse.

Not saying it’s fair. Advanced metrics have Jokic as best player by a good margin, and the most impactful on his team’s wins. But MVP voters are influenced by headline numbers, and averaging over 30 ppg, as Embiid is doing, gives them what they want as a long as Philly wins a lot.

Failing a 30-point triple double, the Nuggets would have had to be the league’s only 60-win team for Jokic to win it. And even then it wouldn’t have been unanimous. 53-54 wins, our likely final total, just doesn’t blow away voters that much.

[GBG]

As a footnote, in 65 games, Jokic has 641 assists. So he’s 9 assists short of averaging a true triple double. Assuming he plays in 8 of the remaining 9 games (with one game of load managing), he’d have to compile 89 assists, averaging 11.125 assists in his remaining 8 games. If he plays in only 7 of the last 9 games, he’d need 79 assists, an average of 11.29 assists per game. The fewer games he has left, the harder it gets.

[passtheballquick]

Mar 25, 2023 8:19:07 GMT -5 GBG said:

IMO, Jokic would have had to average a 30-point triple double this season for voters to give him a third straight MVP, considering there are plausible alternatives (Embiid and Giannis).

Instead, he’s not even averaging a true triple double anymore and time is running out to get there. And failing to average 25 ppg when he averaged 27 in his second MVP season gives voters another excuse.

Not saying it’s fair. Advanced metrics have Jokic as best player by a good margin, and the most impactful on his team’s wins. But MVP voters are influenced by headline numbers, and averaging over 30 ppg, as Embiid is doing, gives them what they want as a long as Philly wins a lot.

Failing a 30-point triple double, the Nuggets would have had to be the league’s only 60-win team for Jokic to win it. And even then it wouldn’t have been unanimous. 53-54 wins, our likely final total, just doesn’t blow away voters that much.

Last year I was watching quite a few mvp debates between the voters and I didn't get the impression that bad narratives or espn Clowns were bothering them much. I actually was surprised how confident they were with their decision regardless of what their co-workers were suggesting. Also mid term voting (or whatever they called it) showed that Jokic would win it had the official voting happened back then. So the mainstream media shifted the narratives towards Embiid as he was playing really good winning games and Nuggets were losing games but did the actual voters change their mind? What they see are the numbers that fami posted and Nuggets sitting at the top of the west. Embiid doesn't have that ground for the voters. The game on Monday will decide the mvp. If Jokic comes out gunning and Nuggets win, he'll win it again. If Jokic comes out half asleep trying not to win, than he wouldn't deserve to win it for disrespecting the game by not giving his best

[JB]

exactly.

if fatso does his Ben Simmons impression again and Embiid dominates, there's no stat sheet in the world that will convince the voters that he's the MVP.

if Jokic wants MVP, he needs to take it.

[Deleted]

Embiid had 22 free throw attempts last night, why is that not taken into account in the MVP conversation? It was the last 2 years but because of Perkins and the race debate on ESPN, its no longer taken into consideration?! Bizarre

If Jokic does not win, I would rather Giannis win it. Embiid is a whiny, injury-prone, overrated player ...can't stand him and how he flops to get free throws

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Embiid is averaging 12 free throw attempts per game: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-embiid-average-per-game-this-season

Giannis is averaging 12 as well: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-giannis-average-per-game-this-season

Madness!!

Jokic only 6: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-jokic-average-per-game-this-season

Games played: 

Giannis - 58
Embiid - 60
Jokic - 65


JOKIC IS THE MVP

[JB]

your boy Giannis averages even more.

[passtheballquick]

Mar 25, 2023 9:46:02 GMT -5 JB said:

exactly.

if fatso does his Ben Simmons impression again and Embiid dominates, there's no stat sheet in the world that will convince the voters that he's the MVP.

if Jokic wants MVP, he needs to take it.

And at the end it's the right thing in this case. Although I am not a supporter of the narrative that one game decides mvp where the other 81 games don't matter, this time the player who wants it more between 2 great players will win it.
But if Embiid ducks out Jokic I just can't see how he can win it

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2023 9:59:54 GMT -5 @mik said:

Embiid is averaging 12 free throw attempts per game: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-embiid-average-per-game-this-season

Giannis is averaging 12 as well: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-giannis-average-per-game-this-season

Madness!!

Jokic only 6: www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/how-many-free-throw-attempts-does-jokic-average-per-game-this-season

Games played: 

Giannis - 58
Embiid - 60
Jokic - 65


JOKIC IS THE MVP

clown world that Jokic is not the runaway MVP ...I blame 'racist' Kendrick Perkins and his hatred of non-black NBA players

[nuggetshipster]

Mar 25, 2023 9:57:34 GMT -5 @mik said:

Embiid had 22 free throw attempts last night, why is that not taken into account in the MVP conversation? It was the last 2 years but because of Perkins and the race debate on ESPN, its no longer taken into consideration?! Bizarre

If Jokic does not win, I would rather Giannis win it. Embiid is a whiny, injury-prone, overrated player ...can't stand him and how he flops to get free throws

Free throws is a part of the game?

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Mar 25, 2023 11:09:03 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

Mar 25, 2023 9:57:34 GMT -5 @mik said:

Embiid had 22 free throw attempts last night, why is that not taken into account in the MVP conversation? It was the last 2 years but because of Perkins and the race debate on ESPN, its no longer taken into consideration?! Bizarre

If Jokic does not win, I would rather Giannis win it. Embiid is a whiny, injury-prone, overrated player ...can't stand him and how he flops to get free throws

Free throws is a part of the game?

Flopping is part of soccer/football, not basketball. Maybe Embiid should be a professional soccer player instead 

[nuggetshipster]

He is a basketball player tho. And it is a part of basketball as well. So

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Mar 25, 2023 11:47:47 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

He is a basketball player tho. And it is a part of basketball as well. So

Lol what is your point 

[famicommander]

Nuggets with Jokic this season: 46-19 (.709)
Nuggets without Jokic this season: 3-5 (.375)

76ers with Embiid this season: 40-20 (.667)
76ers without Embiid this season: 9-4 (.692)

Bucks with Giannis this season: 44-14 (.759)
Bucks without Giannis this season: 9-6 (.600)

Nugs are a losing team without Jokic.

Bucks are still a winning team without Giannis, but much better with him.

The Sixers have a better record when Embiid sits than when he plays.

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2023 14:31:31 GMT -5 famicommander said:

Nuggets with Jokic this season: 46-19 (.709)
Nuggets without Jokic this season: 3-5 (.375)

76ers with Embiid this season: 40-20 (.667)
76ers without Embiid this season: 9-4 (.692)

Bucks with Giannis this season: 44-14 (.759)
Bucks without Giannis this season: 9-6 (.600)

Nugs are a losing team without Jokic.

Bucks are still a winning team without Giannis, but much better with him.

The Sixers have a better record when Embiid sits than when he plays.

The anti-white bias in the NBA media are hiding these obvious stats. The last 2 seasons, they embraced it.  

Even the white NBA analysts like JJ Redick, Tim Legler are promoting Embiid now -- probably out of fear for being called a racist (by Kendrick Perkins, Stephen A Smith, etc) lol.

Like I wrote earlier, clown world.  If everything is fair, Jokic should win his 3rd straight MVP in a landslide vote 

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I don't use Twitter but someone on here who does -- tweet all of these stats to Nuggets media people:

twitter.com/HarrisonWind

twitter.com/msinger

twitter.com/Adam_Mares

twitter.com/VicLombardi

twitter.com/katywinge


I'm sure some of them occasionally browse here lol ...hi!