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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 26, 2019 10:27:21 GMT -5
80% sure we will lose. Maybe 90% with GBGs sabotage
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Post by Coach Sticky on Apr 26, 2019 10:30:04 GMT -5
Eyyy!!! Erik!!! Get on Facebook, check flights NOW and lets watch game 7 together
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 11:42:01 GMT -5
This is the difference between a guy like Malone and a guy like Stotts. Portland has a closeout game and Lillard plays the entire 1st half and plays 45 minutes. This in a home game up 3-1. Jokic sits with 1 minute left in the 3Q, sits through the TV timeout and then sits after another Malone timeout. In a road closeout game down 5 entering the 4Q where if you lose you take your 8th youngest playoff team in history and put them in a Game 7 where all of the pressure is on them. Just a brilliant plan. Malone didn't show any killer instinct tonight. But he lets Jokic play in garbage time for whatever reason. Just made no sense whatsoever. Can't wait to see Plumlee back on the floor in Game 7 gambling and not converting steals, being out of position on every single defensive possession and throwing sky hooks at the hoop. Going to be awesome. I understand the frustration. And we agree about leaving Jokic in a minute or two too long into garbage time (although I don't remember the timeout/stoppage situation). We also agree about Plumlee, but he only played 8 minutes and this is your backup C and backup PF (until out of desperation Malone started playing Craig at PF, which didn't work at all in this game). Malone played Plumlee as little as possible given the role that has been expected and the lack of alternatives. Here is a fact -- Jokic is currently leading all players in playoff minutes played. #1. Lillard is averaging more but that last one was game 5 in a series that did not look like it was going to 7, since OKC had a -5.8 net rating in the series. And my carny guess is that Jokic is at 14% body fat while Lillard is at 4%, so while Jokic is doing all he can, I'm not convinced he can do it at 100% for as many minutes as Lillard. The fact Jokic leads all players in postseason minutes right now has me concerned for game 7 because the Nuggets don't appear to have a lot of guys who are going to hit a lot of outside shots. Morris, for example, has exactly 0 made threes and Beasley is 9 for 25 on two point attempts and Morris and Beasley have a combined 11 free throw attempts (part of the reason Malone has not really been in a position to nail Barton to the bench despite what people here apparently want). And now Murray is quite banged up. I'm hoping the role players play a lot better on Saturday because the main guys need some help.
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Post by game on Apr 26, 2019 11:52:11 GMT -5
Raw minute totals when this is the only series to have played a 6th game is kind of silly.
He's 10th in MPG, which I think is fine for your point that he's never been a high minutes player being asked to be now, and by overextending him, you could risk issues associated with fatigue (fouls, shots coming up short, etc).
No need to use misleading raw stats.
I do agree that he can't play 48 minutes. You need him able to play well in the 4Q on Saturday. I don't really know what happened to Mason Plumlee's mental approach. This is the arrogant f***er that physically pushed Malik Beasley into position earlier in the season to show the world "I'm smart and this guy isn't", and he's been out of position (not because he's hurt, because he's gambling and making very poor decisions) just about every single trip down defensively. It's been unbelievable. He's had Javale McGee defensive awareness, and I'm not exaggerating. Hey Mason - maybe don't go for every single pumpfake that LMA throws at you?
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 12:00:50 GMT -5
So what you are really mad about is that the Nuggets don't bring TV ratings, so TV people have no reason to promote them. Got it. I'd more so be mad at the fact that everyone who called the Nuggets playoff frauds would be justified. You lose in the first round as a 2 seed you're a fraud. You lose 2 home games including a Game 7 at home you're a fraud. No excuses to be made even though Tim and Malone will jump through hoops to point out the youth and inexperience of this team. They did not set out to have a long playoff run this season. 7 of their 15 roster players (including 4 of their 9 current rotation players) have less than 4 years NBA experience. If you want to be angry, be angry about management's decision to still be in "player development mode" because that's what they decided when they rolled with a roster that is half guys in NBA years 1-3. I've been complaining that they have continued to use too many roster spots on these developmental players, preventing the team from signing veteran role players (except for their dice roll on an injured IT). Its not a matter of "fraud." It is a matter of intent. Their intent was to take the next step and get into the playoffs while still developing a lot of young players. They seriously overachieved in getting the #2 seed, but their net rating was 5th in the western conference so people are just misreading the situation in getting hung up on the #2 seed thing. Since they decided to roll with so many young players, I tend to think that Malone actually coached too much for the regular season standings and should have continued to play Lyles and Juancho some late in the season, and if that cost them a couple of games and home court advantage, so be it. It would have been more consistent with how the roster was constructed. But I could be wrong. One can second guess this stuff to death.
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Post by game on Apr 26, 2019 12:05:15 GMT -5
It isn't only veterans, they didn't try to build a roster that would be successful in the playoffs. Content leaning heavily on two Cs. Small on the perimeter. To scooter's point, incredibly inexperienced.
That said, I don't disagree with the frustration of ANOTHER potential first round exit, this time with a 2 seed. It adds to the franchise's reputation for being a regular season team, and we can make excuses all we want, but the track record isn't exactly short over the last two decades, and they've had several shots with the higher seed and home court.
Despite zero logic to the point, it will be used to ding Jokic, because that's just how it goes. We'll see the team get scoffed at all next year.
I think it's perfectly fair to groan at the thought of that, even if there are perfectly valid reasons for it.
The biggest thing in Game 7 - these guys need to play freely. If they're tense and seem unsure of the moment, they'll lose. Take good shots. Don't freak out if they don't fall right away. Don't freak out of San Antonio makes a few tough shots. Limit their easy looks.
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 12:20:54 GMT -5
So i am calling it first here. We are winning game 7 and Plum/Barton will have a HUGE part of that W. (No sarcasm) I agree with the concept of not nailing guys like Barton and Plumlee to the bench. Gay was horrible until game 6 but he had a good game in him and his 19 points in 28 bench minutes was huge for the Spurs. As I mentioned, I was at game 5, noticed how hot Barton looked in pregame warmups, thought he was due to score the ball well and he did. Plumlee has been mostly terrible, but he and Barton play important roles for the bench guys to play fast and attack the basket as they can handle the ball, pass and help push the pace. Morris is too worried about turnovers and mistakes to attack, so we need others, and at home, the bench guys are more likely to feed off the crowd, get running and attack the basket. Since Murray is now quite banged up, I don't know that we can expect him to push the pace well at all. None of the Spurs' guards have played heavy minutes (none over 30 minutes in game 6) and I think Popovich will have them pressuring the Nuggets' point guards hard to slow down the Nuggets offense. So if we want to see some pace at times, I think others will have to help and Barton and Plumlee are natural candidates to get the ball upcourt without a grinding slog from beginning to end.
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 26, 2019 12:25:29 GMT -5
Everything just boils down to our shitty history. That's what makes a first round loss brutal for me anyways. It makes no sense but you just get flashbacks to the Melo years. Winning a first round series in the 2nd year of the completed rebuild, in your first playoff app? It's basically unheard of for Nuggets fans like us.
If you ignore the history, which is the logical thing to do, the Nuggets are exactly where they should be if not ahead of the curve. Maybe I'm in the minority but I didn't want them to load up veterans or make moves that would make us better this season but hurt our future. This year isn't our window. It's really that simple. Were atleast 1-2 years away, if not 3-4. I want a FO that's smart enough to plan for making deep playoff runs next year and years after. Nuggets have looked shaky but our franchise player showed out. That's HUGE for the future. As bad as Murray's been he's showed some real potential. Harris looks good. Nuggets just have major consistency issues on both offense/defense which is to be expected with young teams.
S.A in a game 7 with Pop and all that experience vs the inexperienced Nuggets is just awful. I think we can win and if we do it'll be a huge accomplishment for the young guys.
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Post by Dunkman on Apr 26, 2019 12:52:07 GMT -5
No matter what happens we didn't embarrass ourselves in this series and many of our guys showed some very promising stuff. Also if one thing that comes out of this series is realizing Barton isn't the answer as the starting 3 that's going to help a lot moving forward.
Oh and I was traveling for game 6, almost moved my flight to Friday morning so I could watch. Pretty happy with that decision.
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 26, 2019 12:56:41 GMT -5
yesterday is gone - stop living in the past-
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Post by freakns on Apr 26, 2019 13:39:26 GMT -5
Everything just boils down to our shitty history. That's what makes a first round loss brutal for me anyways. It makes no sense but you just get flashbacks to the Melo years. Winning a first round series in the 2nd year of the completed rebuild, in your first playoff app? It's basically unheard of for Nuggets fans like us. If you ignore the history, which is the logical thing to do, the Nuggets are exactly where they should be if not ahead of the curve. Maybe I'm in the minority but I didn't want them to load up veterans or make moves that would make us better this season but hurt our future. This year isn't our window. It's really that simple. Were atleast 1-2 years away, if not 3-4. I want a FO that's smart enough to plan for making deep playoff runs next year and years after. Nuggets have looked shaky but our franchise player showed out. That's HUGE for the future. As bad as Murray's been he's showed some real potential. Harris looks good. Nuggets just have major consistency issues on both offense/defense which is to be expected with young teams. S.A in a game 7 with Pop and all that experience vs the inexperienced Nuggets is just awful. I think we can win and if we do it'll be a huge accomplishment for the young guys. You aren't alone. I was saying through season our only goal should be playoffs, and to see what we have in it. And I have my answers. Whatever happens, I'm happy with this season. Oh, and we are winning this and beating Portland 4-1 in semis. I have 0 doubts.
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Post by flo on Apr 26, 2019 14:39:49 GMT -5
very interesting thoughts on this page ! I just hope SA won't make it a tense, dirty game and one of our young talents don't fall in a stupid trap. A fair bball game and may the best win.
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 14:51:18 GMT -5
Everything just boils down to our shitty history. That's what makes a first round loss brutal for me anyways. It makes no sense but you just get flashbacks to the Melo years. Winning a first round series in the 2nd year of the completed rebuild, in your first playoff app? It's basically unheard of for Nuggets fans like us. If you ignore the history, which is the logical thing to do, the Nuggets are exactly where they should be if not ahead of the curve. Maybe I'm in the minority but I didn't want them to load up veterans or make moves that would make us better this season but hurt our future. This year isn't our window. It's really that simple. Were atleast 1-2 years away, if not 3-4. The first part is just Nugglife, but with Jokic in the fold, the time is now to put an end to it. With Jokic as great as he is, I think the time for "window waiting" is now over. Young guys like Morris, Beasley, Juancho, Lyles, Lydon, Vanderbilt, Cancar, Welsh are not potential stars or even second tier NBA players (the category for guys like Gary Harris, Danilo Gallinari, etc.) -- they are potential role players and not more (Porter may be different and I'll leave it to the FO to decide whether he's untouchable). I tend to think the FO waited a little too long on some of these guys (each is different), so this summer is not too early to make those decisions. Keep some to further develop and get role player contribution from and use others as assets (one way or another, including just freeing up roster spots) to acquire a couple of veterans to better balance the team in terms of skillset, size, readiness, etc. My perspective is playing in a game 7 in the playoffs is a win for this franchise. Game 7 is a coin flip, but the team has earned respect. They also have some tough work to do this summer no matter what happens the rest of this spring.
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Post by flo on Apr 26, 2019 14:51:40 GMT -5
Pop was way to joke-y in his last postgame presser. It's like he knows they're outmatched. Don't give them life. The fact that we believed that is another reason why he's the best. And now he's preparing game 7 knowing that the key on our side will be we'll manage the game emotionally.
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 14:54:05 GMT -5
yesterday is gone - stop living in the past- Posting that (I wasn't going to copy the song) is weird as it is a message to look to the future while forcing us into nostalgia territory (70's hair and such) with your song/artist choice.
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 26, 2019 15:06:29 GMT -5
Did Malone give out two trash contracts to Barton and Plumlee? Beasley 0 points. Bench turned into a pumpkin at an unacceptable time. Some of us knew both contracts were trash the day they were signed. I think Barton's presence is really bad for the bench. They're deferring to him like he isn't a bottom two rotation player. Beasley 0 points. I think you're 100% right about Barton. He was first hurting starters and now he's hurting bench big way. As the bench is not playing extended minutes they need to execute efficently in a short period of time and with Barton it's just not possible. It's one of the reasons why Plumlee looks like he never played nba basketball. I was never high on Plumlee but this bad it's beyond belief
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Post by odvala on Apr 26, 2019 15:08:47 GMT -5
If we somehow lose game 7, Malone should be fired on the spot I know that this is a burner account but whoever you are, you are wrong big time. (And that comes from #1 MM "hater") Malone and TC should have this summer and next season to prove that they learned on their mistakes, to make hard choices (but right ones) and to set goal of WCF minimum. If somewhere down the line they fail i would consider getting experienced and proven coach + a GM that has no "love" conections with players, but puts team needs in front.
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Post by scooter on Apr 26, 2019 15:46:56 GMT -5
Did Malone give out two trash contracts to Barton and Plumlee? Beasley 0 points. Bench turned into a pumpkin at an unacceptable time. Some of us knew both contracts were trash the day they were signed. I think Barton's presence is really bad for the bench. They're deferring to him like he isn't a bottom two rotation player. Beasley 0 points. I think you're 100% right about Barton. He was first hurting starters and now he's hurting bench big way. As the bench is not playing extended minutes they need to execute efficently in a short period of time and with Barton it's just not possible. It's one of the reasons why Plumlee looks like he never played nba basketball. I was never high on Plumlee but this bad it's beyond belief Bejeesus. Can anybody here realize that how a player is playing right now does not define their skillset? Ya'll think Patty Mills is a non-shooter because he's 2 for 17 on threes in this series? Newsflash -- he's a career 39% three point shooter over 10 NBA seasons who has shot 38% on threes in the playoffs (114 of 298) including 32 made threes during the Spurs 2014 championship run and another 32 made threes in their 2017 playoff run. Morris (who has 0 made threes in this series) wasn't even in the NBA last season and Beasley (who is 9-25 on two point shots in 6 games because he's dribbling into traffic he can't handle) is in his first year of being a regular season rotation player. They are pretty much in over their heads (especially when not on court with Jokic). And Craig has a very limited skillset and is a downright lousy offensive player most of the time. This version of the Nuggets needs Barton because his skillset is broader than any of those guys. He's been in a funk most games, but they need to try to get some contribution from him because he has skills these other guys just do not currently have. I hope Barton gets something going in game 7 because I think the team needs it.
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Post by brick2 on Apr 26, 2019 16:00:34 GMT -5
Its not a matter of "fraud." It is a matter of intent. Their intent was to take the next step and get into the playoffs while still developing a lot of young players. They seriously overachieved in getting the #2 seed, but their net rating was 5th in the western conference so people are just misreading the situation in getting hung up on the #2 seed thing. That's a great point. And other fans can f**k off anyway. Once a team starts to get good the haters come out of the woodwork, and the longer the Nuggets are good the more negative attention they're going to attract.
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Post by rock on Apr 26, 2019 21:17:20 GMT -5
I’m on the acceptance stage of grief, I’ve already come to terms we are losing game 7. No doubt. It’s just what being a nuggets fan is about
Oddly enough it’s a little liberating
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