Malone.........sucks

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I said it in the other thread - if he's lost the locker room, especially the young core, I have no problem with looking seriously at a change.

I do have a problem with Donald Trump hacking IYM's account and cherry-picking which ambiguous quotes he'll be extrapolating, guessing what the rest of the behind the scenes story is from his keyboard, and presenting as fact, while also questioning the story that was actually reported by real reporters who have to verify stuff before they write it.

Somebody please help a brother out get him a password reset email, stat.

To offer something besides non-stop bitching - who would you like to see replace Malone if they do make a change? Is there somebody out there that makes sense if we're building around Jokic?

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:08:12 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

that gif says more about you then me. the fact that you think the state of the nuggets future is comparable to a burning house

lmao what the f**k? I said that GIF was about you deal with Malone. Nowhere did I say anything about the Nuggets future, because as you know I've called it bright many times.

As for the other bullshit I don't really care anymore. I recall you talking about Nurkic leaving the arena and mentioning how players would feel, and how you would feel. I 100% remember you calling Nurkic a cancer. He wasn't. He and the coach just didn't see eye to eye it looks like.

As for the other things are you f***ing kidding me? I've talked about the misuse of Jokic, his rotations, how he has guys like Barton/Nelson finish the games. I've been talking about his inconsistency since game like game 6. How he constantly switches up the lineups, at times IMO affecting chemistry. I posted like 9 times last night about why didn't Malone attack Nurkic. Nurkic killed us and is extremely foul prone. He had 1 foul like the first 4 minutes, he should have attacked him non stop. Jokic had two scoring touches in the 3rd quarter. I called that a joke. The NOLA game?

Useless bullshit? It's a difference in opinion. I don't think getting wrecked by your former 22 year old C, killing our playoff hopes, and than Faried and potentially Barton talking s**t is "useless".

[nuggetshipster]

i defenitely remember saying he was a cancer and that i would have been pissed. but dont make s**t up

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:08:41 GMT -5 game said:

I said it in the other thread - if he's lost the locker room, especially the young core, I have no problem with looking seriously at a change.

I do have a problem with Donald Trump hacking IYM's account and cherry-picking which ambiguous quotes he'll be extrapolating, guessing what the rest of the behind the scenes story is from his keyboard, and presenting as fact, while also questioning the story that was actually reported by real reporters who have to verify stuff before write it.

Somebody please help a brother out get him a password reset email, stat.

To offer something besides non-stop bitching - who would you like to see replace Malone if they do make a change? Is there somebody out there that makes sense if we're building around Jokic?

What the f**k? What facts am I not using? lmao This is all I've ever said about Malone and pointed out.

- Leaks of Chandler wanting a trade, did an interview where he discussed the inconsistencies and didn't deny the trade, reporters caught him saying I wish I was traded after a game post deadline.
- Faried just called out Malone. Barton also said some things. Both picked a pretty interesting game to do it.
- I'm not guessing? The entire team went over and hugged Nurkic, laughing, Faried/Barton were talking in his ear. I've watched the NBA for a long time. Bad blood translates. Guys are professional but when the team cancer knocks you out, guys aren't laughing like that directly after a loss with him if there isn't any love there. Did Nurkic leave the lockeroom? I've never said otherwise. I asked for confirmation. Some speculated how major it is, but didn't look major last night did it?
- I 100% have an issue with him missing both Nurkic/Jokic. Two stud C's on one roster, never gave them a fair shake, and took the first chunk of the season for him to realize what Jokic can do. I think his lineups, rotations, are all inconsistent. I think Denver's defense is bad and for good reason, but the schemes are brutal. How he matches up like Jokic on Nurkic, guards the P&R etc. Players are to blame too, for all of it. It starts with the coach typically in a league in the NBA. If it was college or HS, different story.

Bitching? It's just like the emotional thing. It's a messageboard bro. It's called responding. Right now I'm waiting on some food so I'm discussing some ball for like 15 minutes. I posted about a replacement in the offseason thread, I'm not thinking about it because it's unlikely to happen. So rather hope with a few changes, Malone improves his issues. I know of a few coaches I'd want, but Denver isn't going to can Malone most likely.

[nuggetshipster]

so you are just gonna ignore it when someone brings up something postivie, maybe the only positive malone did last night and just keep on saying the same things you have been saying all year. i know you have said all that, and much of it is probably true

but my god, i'm trying to talk basketball here. do we really have to say the same s**t over and over again?

i never brought up Nurkic, the trade, players bitching, veterans finishing games, inconsistency, etc.. if you want to talk about all that again, why quote me? you know i'm sick and tired of it


i said i will remain positive. that malone wont be fired. that Malone made ONE good adjustment, but otherwise had a horrible game. how did that turn into nurkic, chandler, nelson, malone blahblahblah

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:19:29 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

i defenitely remember saying he was a cancer and that i would have been pissed. but dont make s**t up

Hardly making anything up. We got into a back and forth about the NBA/players/emotions and s**t like that. I said it wasn't a sports movie. Last night kinda proved atleast what I was saying. Maybe not what you were saying. It's pretty clear nobody gave a s**t about Nurk's/Malone's issues. That Nurkic wasn't this toxic, team killing cancer. I mean I'll admit I was wrong. I deff had him as a b***h that was bad for team chemistry. He doesn't look like it now, and doesn't look like he's alone having issues.

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:26:12 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

so you are just gonna ignore it when someone brings up something postivie, maybe the only positive malone did last night and just keep on saying the same things you have been saying all year. i know you have said all that, and much of it is probably true

but my god, i'm trying to talk basketball here. do we really have to say the same s**t over and over again?

i never brought up Nurkic, the trade, players bitching, veterans finishing games, inconsistency, etc.. if you want to talk about all that again, why quote me? you know i'm sick and tired of it

Dude in the context of the game last night, it's entirely fair. Like I just don't get it. Faried called the coach out last night. Literally ANY league, any sports fan, any team would beat to death what has happened this year, is Faried right? Are Malone/Faried both wrong? What's happening that after the most important game of the season, a coach gets called out? Along with Barton, it makes sense to look back at past stuff like Chandler, Nurkic etc. because of all sudden things really start adding up.

Positive? Everyone knows the future is bright, Jokic is balling, Harris looks great. Once again, when your playoff hopes get hurt like that, in that kinda situation, there's going to be some negativity and questions. It's fair.

[GBG]

Erik, quit baiting IYM into long repsonses. It is killing my afternoon. 😉

[nuggetshipster]

sure bring it up! its definitely worth talking about, no disagreement here

just dont know what it has to do with my post. if you only want my opinion, send me a DM

[game]

Here's a journalist reporting Nurkic leaving: gazette.com/article/1599813. That's somebody with access to the team, who can't print something they haven't verified.

You took a few quotes from Barton (super ambiguous) and Faried (outplayed, outcoached) and drew inferences. You've decided to guess what it means that teammates congratulated their old teammate. I would do the same if I ran into an old colleague, FWIW, even if they sucked. I have no doubt they're happy for him to have success. At no point did I heard he had problems with any of his teammates (nor have I suggested he did). I don't think that's telling of anything other than they're seeing a young guy have success and they're happy for him.

You've decided that there are all these inferences you'll be drawing from all of that, mostly because you already believe something so you're looking to confirm it.

Look, I'm over it. I know where you stand.

[nuggetshipster]

they would have be monsters not to have been happy for nurkic

he is literally playing himself into a 110+ million extension, that trade was like winning the lotto. his family could be set up for generations. even i'm happy for him, he's still the only nugget i've ever met

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:35:39 GMT -5 game said:

Here's a journalist reporting Nurkic leaving: gazette.com/article/1599813. That's somebody with access to the team, who can't print something they haven't verified.

You took a few quotes from Barton (super ambiguous) and Faried (outplayed, outcoached) and drew inferences. You've decided to guess what it means that teammates congratulated their old teammate. I would do the same if I ran into an old colleague, FWIW, even if they sucked. I have no doubt they're happy for him to have success. At no point did I heard he had problems with any of his teammates (nor have I suggested he did). I don't think that's telling of anything other than they're seeing a young guy have success and they're happy for him.

You've decided that there are all these inferences you'll be drawing from all of that, mostly because you already believe something so you're looking to confirm it.

Look, I'm over it. I know where you stand.

Alright so what specifically have I said that's false? All I've pointed out was things that have actually happened. Faried, Chandler, Nurkic etc. I certainly speculated on other things. Like how the guys looked. I admitted that tho. I don't care what you would do, your not an NBA player. We've seen tons of guys not shake hands, bad blood, welcomings that weren't warm. All I've simply said was it doesn't look like Nurkic was a cancer in the lockerroom. That he had issues with Malone, like a few other guys did, and that nobody on the team looks to have any issues with him. That it doesn't appear that there's any bad blood there. To me it's interesting because it means maybe Nurkic wasn't the problem.

As for Erik I was just messing around dude. I posted the GIF as a joke because we constantly argue back and forth about Malone and like you openly admit your more positive about things than I can be. Seemed fitting.

[nuggetshipster]

i'm not in my best mood today

[nuggetshipster]

at this point i'm left hoping Lillard gets tired of Nurkic stealing the show and getting the love


if they ever decide to dump salary tho. Crabbe might have some value, but no one is touching Leonard or Turner. I would totally freak out if we had a chance at getting CJ, absolutely brilliant player

[inyourmind]

Mar 29, 2017 14:53:07 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

at this point i'm left hoping Lillard gets tired of Nurkic stealing the show and getting the love


if they ever decide to dump salary tho. Crabbe might have some value, but no one is touching Leonard or Turner. I would totally freak out if we had a chance at getting CJ, absolutely brilliant player

I wanna put it out there that I don't think Nurkic is a superstar, or is playing over his head. Him falling on his face at some point wouldn't be a surprise. If he flames out in the playoffs same deal. Just that I'm a fan, think he has lots of potential, like his toughness atleast on the court, and defense. Don't think he was given a fair shake in Denver. Wouldn't shock me to see him tons of success. Nurkic playing C.J/Lillard is underrated too, that's what it looks like when you have competent guard play and guys who are lethal threats in the P&R. Denver doesn't have a guard people are scared of in that situation. Harris is a great 3 point shooter, great at cutting, good at driving but doesn't have the handle to run the kinda sets Portland does. Atleast not yet, IMO that's his next step. His off the ball stuff is perfect, needs to work on the ball now. Murray projects as that guy, but remains to be seen.

Watching Denver miss Jokic non stop on easy finishes near the rim was annoying when Portland managed to find Nurkic non stop. Jokic is the better finisher, more efficient player, he wouldn't get to the run offense as much in Portland but he would get fed non stop inside.

[brick2]

Mar 29, 2017 11:36:02 GMT -5 nuggetshipster said:

Isnt or hasnt Kroenke been majority/significant owner in Arsenal? Wenger should have been fired a decade ago if they cared about winning trophys

but Arsenal has been one of the if not the most profitable soccer clubs the last 10 years

Yeah for the Kronks it's a business first. If they win something along the way, even better.

[AbdulJabber]

My take regarding Nurk, is I was a huge fan early on. How many guys with that frame have quick feet? It just doesn't happen. I felt he was easily a starter in the NBA and had potential to be a top ten center in the league. But then some cracks started to appear. First it was Bball IQ stuff. Dumb fouls, turnovers, poor finisher in spite of his ridiculous size. Then he gets a knee injury even though his minutes were pretty low. Kinda scary when that happens to such a young big man. Then you start to see maturity issues and little things that normally wouldn't be a concern. One thing that oddly bothered me was that after missed shots, he'd touch his face and look at his hands as if he might be bleeding. Not sure why that annoyed me, but it did. And then finally there were the issues with how he handled getting benched.

So when all is said and done, I'll root for Nurk to play well. I don't hate the guy, but I also don't hate how Malone handled him. I thought Jokic looked far better when not paired with Nurk in the front court. I also could understand Malone not trusting Nurk late in games since he wasn't hitting FT's and he was so turnover prone. Lastly, Nurkic wasn't going to be happy coming off the bench. He rightfully saw himself as a starter and so a trade needed to be made eventually. Presumably, the Nuggets made the best deal that was there to be made and now it's over.

I said it a few weeks ago, same type of situation is unfolding with Mudiay. I still see great potential in the kid, but nobody can deny there are some pretty big chinks in the armor. Odds are, we'll trade him for next to nothing and if he ends up playing really well somewhere else, it'll sting a little. Nobody here can say for certain how his career will unfold, but most are happy with the idea of Murray eventually becoming the starting PG and Harris continuing to start at SG.

[brick2]

Until we get the real story of why Malone gave Nurkic those 5 DNP's - and it'll be years before we do, if ever- I'm not going to judge how Malone handled the situation. It's hard to fathom that a head coach would just bench a guy like that without a good reason. It's possible Malone did but right now nobody knows.

Anyway I'm with those who say that Nurk had to be traded but that giving away the first along with him is looking like a pretty stupid move, even if we didn't really need the pick.

[AbdulJabber]

It's not lookin good, that's for sure. What we'll also never know is what other offers were made for Nurk. Could be that teams were trying to unload bad contracts on us and the Portland deal was the only one that didn't create long term cap issues.

[eathb]

Juancho supposedly joins the players that is ripping Malone?