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Post by game on Nov 1, 2024 11:56:02 GMT -5
The MAGA people are irrelevant. They need to convince the non-MAGA/non-Harris people. Those people are not just learning about Donald Trump, so if they don't view him as unfit already, as much as I personally don't understand that, they're unlikely to start today. They're likely conflicted based on whatever their criteria is, and the campaign needs to operate in that area. The most logical arguments (in no order) are: -Trump's crew is openly admitting prices will go up and the economy will have "short-term" pain, whatever that means. Inflation has been lowering for a few years now, we're finally in a rate cutting environment. You've already endured the hard part. They're telling you they're going to f**k that up and bring prices back up - and you get what out of it? Nothing. -The words of the people who signed up to work with him - not Trump haters, people who believed in Trump at one time. Don't take liberals' words for it, take his f***ing VP's. Or Chief of Staff. Or you name the person. -RFK having any responsibility for HHS, vaccines, you name it - Jesus Christ. -Women's health - I've said plenty on this. Your mom/sister/wife/girlfriend/daughter/friend/whoever deserves way f***ing better. -Supreme Court - you may not like both candidates, but given his track record and outcomes, do you want him picking another justice after how deliberate he was last time to overturn Roe? Again, it's perception. I live in New York. It's a blue state. Almost everyone I talk to says that they were better off when Trump was in office. I assume that they are talking about the amount of money they have / the price if things they are buying...but it's not like 1 or 2 people. It's legitimately everyone I talk to. So it doesn't matter if that is actually the reality or was the reality. That is THEIR reality. They believe that and they are not going to change their minds about it. They are insanely passionate about it because I've explained to many that much of that inflation was caused by Covid, Trumps tax cuts, pressuring the fed on interest rates, etc. They don't believe it. They think I'm lying to them or am a liberal (I hate both sides) Most people see that prices went up in grocery stores post 2020 and blame that on Biden/Democrats. It affects the amount of money they have. It does not matter why the prices increased. It matters that they increased during Bidens term and therefore they don't want to vote for him or Harris because they believe if Trump is back in office prices will go down. Same thing with illegal immigration. The statistics show that it's nowhere near as big of an issue as promoted by Trump and co. But on the local news (in NY) there are stories all the time about an illegal immigrant committing rape/murder. People see that and believe it's a widespread issue. I really think it's as simple as that because most people don't really follow or care about most policies. It's $ and how the person comes across. Harris comes across as fake and Trump comes across as real. And that's enough for a lot of people to vote for him. This wasn't for people who had decided to vote for Trump. This is for people who maybe feel a lot of what you said economically, but also don't like him because of you know, everything he says and does. So they're weighing voting for either to some extent, but maybe even leaning towards staying home. And all of the caveats you threw in there are just kind of the job of politicians and their teams and surrogates. People didn't blame immigrants for all of their problems until they were told to. People may feel exactly like you detailed until the work is done to articulate where we've been and what both campaigns are saying they'll do moving forward. Trump's crew is already telling you you won't have more money in your pocket and that the economy will take a dive. Left wing think tanks like Goldman say the same thing. I'm not arguing with you that people feel lots of ways, and this is a very common perspective of somebody who may be persuadable. I agree that the Nazi stuff will not move this person. They already don't like him. Hence the list of issues I laid out, and I would hammer the economic stuff. They're telling you your prices are going up. Believe them! |
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Post by Ring on Nov 1, 2024 12:06:48 GMT -5
I see your point Game but I don't really think there are a ton of undecided voters out there. There definitely are some and in this type of election I guess they could be the difference in either candidate winning but you typically have a majority of people who are either Pro Trump, Anti Trump or don't care about voting. Then you have some people like me who can't stomach voting for either candidate or party. If I lived in a swing state I may feel more pressure to actually vote but it's hard to say.
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Post by game on Nov 1, 2024 12:19:12 GMT -5
I think it's going to all come down to turnout, at this point, and previously cited points are what I would be focusing on to generate your turnout, maybe sway an undecided off the couch, or even sway a very slight Trump lean to vote Harris or not vote for Trump, at least.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Nov 1, 2024 14:37:27 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising.
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 14:46:25 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising. Not only is it not surprising, it's something that has been out in the open for decades. He's been bragging about it to the media for decades. He even once said on TV that if people were mad about Bill Clinton's treatment of women, his own history would certainly disqualify him from running for president (he then proceeded to run for president four times). |
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Post by jimijam28 on Nov 1, 2024 14:47:30 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising. I am waiting for duh too tells us why trump was still in touch in 2017, thought he ended that friendship way earlier. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 1, 2024 15:23:58 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising. Just returned from an appointment. Something new came out on Trump/Epstein? Gee, I am just shocked! Not. I wrote here what my Aspen contact told me about Trump and Epstein. About their pool party with 29 Eastern European GIRLS flown in for their pleasure. Third or fourth hand info, but the man who told me this was a very plugged in guy. I met Bill and Hillary Clinton through him, in Aspen, in 2004. Hillary’s assistant, Huma, answered the door when I rang the bell, and let my wife and I in. |
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Post by Ring on Nov 1, 2024 15:28:39 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising. Not only is it not surprising, it's something that has been out in the open for decades. He's been bragging about it to the media for decades. He even once said on TV that if people were mad about Bill Clinton's treatment of women, his own history would certainly disqualify him from running for president (he then proceeded to run for president four times). Between the Epstein list and the Diddy list...why is it so difficult to just put these rich pieces of s**t in jail where they belong??? |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 15:30:09 GMT -5
The Trump/Epstein stuff is wild. But Trump being a pedophile and rapist isn't surprising. Just returned from an appointment. Something new came out on Trump/Epstein? Gee, I am just shocked! Not. I wrote here what my Aspen contact told me about Trump and Epstein. About their pool party with 29 Eastern European GIRLS flown in for their pleasure. Third or fourth hand info, but the man who told me this was a very plugged in guy. I met Bill and Hillary Clinton through him, in Aspen, in 2004. Hillary’s assistant, Huma, answered the door when I rang the bell, and let my wife and I in. There's an audio tape of Epstein (accurately) describing the internal dynamics of Trump's inner circle in 2017, years after Trump supposedly had a falling out with him and lost contact. Trump cultivates long term friendships with sexual predators, pedophiles, and sex traffickers. Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Michael Jackson, Diddy, Ghislane Maxwell, and Vince McMahon were all in his personal orbit for decades. It's not a coincidence. They should lock Bill, Trump, Diddy, and Vince up together in the same cell for the rest of their miserable lives. Vince himself is currently under a federal sex trafficking probe after his numerous hush money payments came out in recent years. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 15:35:09 GMT -5
Not only is it not surprising, it's something that has been out in the open for decades. He's been bragging about it to the media for decades. He even once said on TV that if people were mad about Bill Clinton's treatment of women, his own history would certainly disqualify him from running for president (he then proceeded to run for president four times). Between the Epstein list and the Diddy list...why is it so difficult to just put these rich pieces of s**t in jail where they belong??? Because US presidents are on those lists. At least two of them. And holding them accountable would also taint every person who defended and enabled them, and many of those people are still high up in both major parties. It's all scumbags and cowards protecting their own asses. |
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