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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 12:03:31 GMT -5
I'm not a liberal but you're a Trump apologist. You are quite literally ignoring the fact that this ongoing genocide is something he actively contributed to. This is an outcome he actively worked towards while president and is telling you in his own words right now that he intends to continue to escalate until "it's done". You are ignoring the fact that he's telling you in his own words he wants to turn the military against immigrants, protestors, journalists, and people in general who don't support him. Get triggered all you want. The reason it's happening is because you know your position is unsupportable by anyone with a modicum of reasoning or self respect. I know, we've been over this before. you're a "anarcho-capitalist" that just acts a hysterical cancel-culture obsessed liberal on the internet. JB I know we can't come to an agreement about Jamal Murray but I'm giving you a standing ovation at my desk right now for this post. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 12:05:24 GMT -5
I know, we've been over this before. you're a "anarcho-capitalist" that just acts a hysterical cancel-culture obsessed liberal on the internet. Keep on melting down. You're going to have a bad night when Harris wins this election easily. Fami, can we make fun of you and say you were wrong when Trump wins the election for having the worst political analysis of all time when it comes to projecting an election? |
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 12:07:59 GMT -5
Not worth a $1 bet, but maybe bragging rights? I don't want bragging rights because there is no outcome that will make me happy. I just think you and the others are ignoring the obvious reality and all of the signs that are pointing to Trump winning and getting 300+ electoral votes simply because you don't want it to happen. The common, stereotypical (I guess?) American thinks that the economy is way worse now that it was 4 years ago, the border/illegal immigration is a huge issue, that we need a strong figure/leader and that we're better off with a "regular guy" than a politician. At this point Harris beating Trump would shock me more than my Bills finally winning a Super Bowl lol Yeah, I think you are way too negative on Harris chances to win. FWIW, here is my “bold prediction” on election outcome, which I wrote a note to myself on before falling asleep last night. I may look like a fool in a week or month (or however long it takes for final results), but here it is… Election prediction Harris 84 million or 50.9% Trump 77 million or 46.7% Others 4 million or 2.4% EC battleground states: AZ - Harris NV - Trump GA - Trump MI - Harris NC - Trump PA - Harris WS - Harris Senate - 49-51 Dem/GOP House - 235-200 Dem/GOP |
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 12:30:23 GMT -5
But the REAL election is that of the electors by 12/25. Elie Mystal has just written a chilling and brilliant theory of what the “little secret” is between Trump and House Speaker Mike Johnson that was advertised publicly at the MSG event. It involves a devious plan to install Trump as president regardless of November 5th results, with the anti-democracy actions of state legislatures, state governors, and the current House and its speaker. All enabled by a partisan supermajority in the Supreme Court. Sure it’s a conspiracy theory to beat all conspiracy theories, but with this GOP? I don’t put it past them. Mystal is so good at writing. Worth reading every word and sentence… www.thenation.com/article/politics/little-secret-trump-johnson-election/ |
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 12:36:16 GMT -5
I don't want bragging rights because there is no outcome that will make me happy. I just think you and the others are ignoring the obvious reality and all of the signs that are pointing to Trump winning and getting 300+ electoral votes simply because you don't want it to happen. The common, stereotypical (I guess?) American thinks that the economy is way worse now that it was 4 years ago, the border/illegal immigration is a huge issue, that we need a strong figure/leader and that we're better off with a "regular guy" than a politician. At this point Harris beating Trump would shock me more than my Bills finally winning a Super Bowl lol Yeah, I think you are way too negative on Harris chances to win. FWIW, here is my “bold prediction” on election outcome, which I wrote a note to myself on before falling asleep last night. I may look like a fool in a week or month (or however long it takes for final results), but here it is… Election prediction Harris 84 million or 50.9% Trump 77 million or 46.7% Others 4 million or 2.4% EC battleground states: AZ - Harris NV - Trump GA - Trump MI - Harris NC - Trump PA - Harris WS - Harris Senate - 49-51 Dem/GOP House - 235-200 Dem/GOP It's possible. I'm not an expert at all I'm just going based off on the momentum I feel I'm seeing, Vegas and polling. In 2016 I did not think Trump was going to win but I didn't think it was going to be a blowout because as I've said many times, you cannot be public about your support of Trump or you will be ridiculed. However when it's just you and your vote, that's when the truth comes out. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 12:40:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I think you are way too negative on Harris chances to win. FWIW, here is my “bold prediction” on election outcome, which I wrote a note to myself on before falling asleep last night. I may look like a fool in a week or month (or however long it takes for final results), but here it is… Election prediction Harris 84 million or 50.9% Trump 77 million or 46.7% Others 4 million or 2.4% EC battleground states: AZ - Harris NV - Trump GA - Trump MI - Harris NC - Trump PA - Harris WS - Harris Senate - 49-51 Dem/GOP House - 235-200 Dem/GOP It's possible. I'm not an expert at all I'm just going based off on the momentum I feel I'm seeing, Vegas and polling. Understood. But numbers and cold hard facts don’t care about your feeling. Vegas/Polymarket are manipulated psyops by wealthy GOP allies and crypto. Not to be taken seriously. In other words, they are not polls, but they do shape narrative and “feelings”. Only high quality polls, national and state level, should be looked at as having any meaning, and even they don’t mean a lot, because they can’t measure the enthusiasm gap or turnout machines of each campaign in each swing state. And that’s where Harris has a major edge. |
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Post by game on Oct 30, 2024 12:40:17 GMT -5
Can’t complain about Bosa wearing a MAGA hat on TV and then applaud Pop for going on an anti Trump ran. Not saying you GBG just saying that’s what a lot of liberals have done. We’re either keeping politics out of sports or it’s all fair game. You don’t have to agree with it but freedom of speech/expression. Double standard, hypocritical, etc. FWIW, most of what I've seen is clowning Bosa for crashing his teammate's interview with the hat, and then when asked about it, shriveling up into a ball of "I don't want to talk about it". You're the one who jumped on screen with the hat, right? You wanted the shine, here it is. But yes, you can easily play this game in both directions - people like people saying what they think and don't like people who don't. The right said shut up and dribble, I didn't see them jumping in to say shut up and rush the passer. The left is very pro-friendly political speech, but then pisses and moans when it's opposing speech. Basically, people just like being preached to, and hate being challenged literally at all. Our entire way to consume information now - traditional TV, social media, podcasts/youtube, you name it - all nicely curated to pat you on the head and say "man are you a special little guy, if only THOSE people were as special as you." Being a hypocrite is to be human, not a political ideology. Sadly what's becoming lost in an algorithm-driven world that feeds existing opinions and biases is most anybody's desire to be challenged. Or to use the scientific method to have a hypothesis, but actually want to beat it up before it becomes a conclusion. Now it's starting with the opinion and working backwards. And don't get me started on people who fall all over themselves to tell you they're "free thinkers" who are THE number one marks for the tech algorithms because as long as you're presenting an alternative to the mainstream belief on most anything, they're going to eat it up. It doesn't matter how shitty the conspiracy theory is. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 12:54:23 GMT -5
Can’t complain about Bosa wearing a MAGA hat on TV and then applaud Pop for going on an anti Trump ran. Not saying you GBG just saying that’s what a lot of liberals have done. We’re either keeping politics out of sports or it’s all fair game. You don’t have to agree with it but freedom of speech/expression. Double standard, hypocritical, etc. FWIW, most of what I've seen is clowning Bosa for crashing his teammate's interview with the hat, and then when asked about it, shriveling up into a ball of "I don't want to talk about it". You're the one who jumped on screen with the hat, right? You wanted the shine, here it is. But yes, you can easily play this game in both directions - people like people saying what they think and don't like people who don't. The right said shut up and dribble, I didn't see them jumping in to say shut up and rush the passer. The left is very pro-friendly political speech, but then pisses and moans when it's opposing speech. Basically, people just like being preached to, and hate being challenged literally at all. Our entire way to consume information now - traditional TV, social media, podcasts/youtube, you name it - all nicely curated to pat you on the head and say "man are you a special little guy, if only THOSE people were as special as you." Being a hypocrite is to be human, not a political ideology. Sadly what's becoming lost in an algorithm-driven world that feeds existing opinions and biases is most anybody's desire to be challenged. Or to use the scientific method to have a hypothesis, but actually want to beat it up before it becomes a conclusion. Now it's starting with the opinion and working backwards. And don't get me started on people who fall all over themselves to tell you they're "free thinkers" who are THE number one marks for the tech algorithms because as long as you're presenting an alternative to the mainstream belief on most anything, they're going to eat it up. It doesn't matter how shitty the conspiracy theory is. I mean I can't stand Bosa as based off many accounts he's a racist POS. So not going to get upset that people are making fun of him. But I have seen on social media a ton of people just s**t talking him for promoting Trump/MAGA when they don't say anything at all about Curry championing Kamala Harris, Kerr/Pop going on their tirades, etc. The divide in this country is exactly why I try to ignore the news, politics etc and just focus on my friends, family, golfing and watching sports lmao. It's a much healthier way to live (until I triple bogey a hole) Also game, let me just say...I missed you man. This board misses your presence. Whether it's talking basketball or random s**t you've always been one of the best posters on here IMO. Hope you stay more active than the past couple of years. |
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Post by game on Oct 30, 2024 12:56:37 GMT -5
The election is going to be extremely close. 2016 and 2020 were very close, but in neither case was the electoral college close in the sense it came down to one state.
Usually, similar states would probably break similarly. Trump could repeat '16 and very narrowly win WI MI PA and win the electoral college by a good amount. 2020 was close in votes in these states but several broke for Biden. It's still extremely close because the margin in those states was tiny.
I think it's pure toss up, most of the models are like 55-45 Trump, which seems reasonable. That's basically a coin flip. We'll see where the polling error comes from, if anywhere. It's mostly underestimated Trump in his elections.
Trump getting this level of support after Jan 6 alone is something I'll never understand, personally.
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 13:06:29 GMT -5
The election is going to be extremely close. 2016 and 2020 were very close, but in neither case was the electoral college close in the sense it came down to one state. Usually, similar states would probably break similar. Trump could repeat '16 and very narrowly win WI MI PA and win the electoral college by a good amount. It's still extremely close because the margin in those states was tiny. I think it's pure toss up, most of the models are like 55-45 Trump, which seems reasonable. That's basically a coin flip. Trump getting this level of support after Jan 6 alone is something I'll never understand. Game, we live in an idiocracy, so it’s easy to understand. Ever since the Grade B movie actor won in 1980, I felt Americans don’t value meritorious candidates as much as they value their own celebrity worship. The country votes on who’s best looking, or who gives the best prepared speech, really superficial stuff. This is because most Americans don’t want to be bothered of diving deeply into the candidates or the issues. They are hollow, superficial people who idolize celebs and, most of all, money! Trump gives the aura of a rich successful strong man, and that attracts many voters, especially men who want to become rich and strong. Just idiocy ruling the day. But it’s not 55-45 Trump. A high quality national poll, Ipsos, came out over the weekend with Harris up 4 pts nationally. This is their final pre-election poll. Ipsos was within 0.9 points (on low side) for Biden in 2020. If that repeats, then Harris wins by nearly 5 percentage points nationwide. Hard to see her losing EC under that scenario. My bold prediction above has Harris beating Trump by 4.2 points. I’m no sage, but follow this pretty closely. If she wins by 7 million votes nationally, as I predict, the EC will likely be quite similar to Biden’s. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 14:04:40 GMT -5
While I do agree with GBG that a majority of voters don't even have a clue what they are actually voting for, what their party stands for, etc...I really do think the difference in the election is simply that everything costs (or feels like it) a lot more than it did when Trump was running the country. Might be his fault, might be Biden's fault, might be neither of their faults. But that's the perception and perception is reality. And for that reason, Trump is going to win because most people vote with their wallet in mind. Everyone wants more money and people had more money in 2016 and groceries cost much less.
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 14:20:28 GMT -5
While I do agree with GBG that a majority of voters don't even have a clue what they are actually voting for, what their party stands for, etc...I really do think the difference in the election is simply that everything costs (or feels like it) a lot more than it did when Trump was running the country. Might be his fault, might be Biden's fault, might be neither of their faults. But that's the perception and perception is reality. And for that reason, Trump is going to win because most people vote with their wallet in mind. Everyone wants more money and people had more money in 2016 and groceries cost much less. You are perfectly describing the idiocracy I speak of. Inflation was a global phenomenon coming out of Covid, which caused supply chains to seize up, boats stranded near Long Beach harbor, the two major food distributors to our nation’s supermarkets taking advantage of their oligopolistic powers to hike prices or shrink sizing of goods (known as shrinkflation). With stimulus checks sent out by both Trump and Biden administrations (Trump liked having his name on the check), once revenge spending began and met a supply chain constrained market, prices also went up. Despite all that, America had the lowest inflation spike of any developed country during this global phenomenon. We had the mildest inflation rate, compared to Canada, UK, Germany, France, and all other western developed economies. This inflation that did occur affected all these countries, but we got through it better and, according to the Economist magazine, are the “Envy of the World” today. Finally, the Federal Reserve had a larger impact on inflation than any president has had. They threw everything but the kitchen sink at the Covid shutdown to save our economy. Dropped short term interest rates to zero, embarking on quantitative easing to surge the Fed’s balance sheet by buying over $100 billion a month of Treasury and Mortgage Backed Securities. Housing held up, and prices went up due to this form of stimulus. The Fed’s balance sheet went to $9 trillion. It was under $1 trillion before the 2008/09 financial crisis, by way of perspective. So, any “feelings” that Biden made inflation worse or that they are in more precarious financial position is due to the misinformation and disinformation they consume from friends, Fox News, right wing social media platforms, etc. Unemployment is at 4%, still near historic lows (though it got as low as 3.4%). Imagine how angry people can be made to be if spreaders of dis and misinformation had an economy of 10% unemployment in which to spread their propaganda. It’s an idiocracy, and all bad things that happen to America will be deserved if Trump wins as a result. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 14:29:52 GMT -5
GBG I already talked to you about this how when people give that argument I talk about unemployment rate, the stock market, etc and they don't care. You cannot reason with people on either side.
I've said this constantly but the problem with US politics is gray is not allowed. You have to either be 100% liberal or 100% conservative. You are not allowed to have a blend of those views. I don't like either candidate. I don't like either party. But there's nothing I can really do to make a change. Even if by some miracle you had a 3rd party candidate win, it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't have the House or the Senate.
Neither side cares about the majority of Americans nor employs policies that benefit the majority of Americans (for the most part). That's the issue with US politics.
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 14:36:44 GMT -5
GBG I already talked to you about this how when people give that argument I talk about unemployment rate, the stock market, etc and they don't care. You cannot reason with people on either side. I've said this constantly but the problem with US politics is gray is not allowed. You have to either be 100% liberal or 100% conservative. You are not allowed to have a blend of those views. I don't like either candidate. I don't like either party. But there's nothing I can really do to make a change. Even if by some miracle you had a 3rd party candidate win, it wouldn't matter because they wouldn't have the House or the Senate. Neither side cares about the majority of Americans nor employs policies that benefit the majority of Americans (for the most part). That's the issue with US politics. Well, when people can’t be reasoned with, and won’t listen to nuance and facts, then maybe it’s the people who are the problem more than it’s the government. We know Trump is not the solution to America’s challenges now or in the future. We don’t know that about Harris because she has never been president before. But we do know she is a smart person who listens and pledges to give those who disagree with her a seat at the table (watch her closing argument speech). She will not seek retribution against any perceived enemies, unlike Trump. She is not a fascist by any stretch of the imagination. Trump is. For me, the decision is an easy one. As the old saying goes, don’t let perfection be the enemy of the good. And as Biden said, don’t compare Harris to the Almighty, compare her to the alternative. |
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Post by game on Oct 30, 2024 14:39:05 GMT -5
It’s an idiocracy, and all bad things that happen to America will be deserved if Trump wins as a result. I understand your point and basically agree that we get what we deserve. That said - women don't deserve this s**t. The gender divide is an absolute embarrassment given the relative stakes for the two genders. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 30, 2024 14:40:47 GMT -5
It’s an idiocracy, and all bad things that happen to America will be deserved if Trump wins as a result. I understand your point and basically agree that we get what we deserve. That said - women don't deserve this s**t. The gender divide is an absolute embarrassment given the relative stakes for the two genders. Agreed. Young men who have shifted to Trump need to learn a bit of empathy, but that’s easy for me to say as a nearly 71 year-old. Joe Rogan needs to be ignored by them. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 30, 2024 14:48:35 GMT -5
I mean I can't stand Bosa as based off many accounts he's a racist POS. So not going to get upset that people are making fun of him. But I have seen on social media a ton of people just s**t talking him for promoting Trump/MAGA when they don't say anything at all about Curry championing Kamala Harris, Kerr/Pop going on their tirades, etc. It's because only one candidate is a Nazi. You can draw false equivalencies and pretend like this is a both sides issue all you want but the reason Trump supporters are being shouted down is because they support a guy who is literally and repeatedly threatening violence against immigrants, political opponents, civilian protesters, and journalists. You say Bosa is a racist POS, and that's true, and it's also literally why he supports Trump. You cannot separate one from the other when bigotry is Trump's platform. Pretending Nazis deserve a seat at a the table and deserve to be treated like a supporter of any other ideology is cowardly and stupid. Pretending like calling immigrants "animals" or "the enemy within" is legitimate political discourse is how fascism takes root. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Oct 30, 2024 14:50:52 GMT -5
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Post by Ring on Oct 30, 2024 14:57:21 GMT -5
I mean I can't stand Bosa as based off many accounts he's a racist POS. So not going to get upset that people are making fun of him. But I have seen on social media a ton of people just s**t talking him for promoting Trump/MAGA when they don't say anything at all about Curry championing Kamala Harris, Kerr/Pop going on their tirades, etc. It's because only one candidate is a Nazi. You can draw false equivalencies and pretend like this is a both sides issue all you want but the reason Trump supporters are being shouted down is because they support a guy who is literally and repeatedly threatening violence against immigrants, political opponents, civilian protesters, and journalists. You say Bosa is a racist POS, and that's true, and it's also literally why he supports Trump. You cannot separate one from the other when bigotry is Trump's platform. Pretending Nazis deserve a seat at a the table and deserve to be treated like a supporter of any other ideology is cowardly and stupid. Pretending like calling immigrants "animals" or "the enemy within" is legitimate political discourse is how fascism takes root. I just don't want to hear athletes/celebrities talk about politics because they are rich and don't face the same problems that most Americans do. It's a major turn off (for me at least) |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 30, 2024 15:00:02 GMT -5
It's because only one candidate is a Nazi. You can draw false equivalencies and pretend like this is a both sides issue all you want but the reason Trump supporters are being shouted down is because they support a guy who is literally and repeatedly threatening violence against immigrants, political opponents, civilian protesters, and journalists. You say Bosa is a racist POS, and that's true, and it's also literally why he supports Trump. You cannot separate one from the other when bigotry is Trump's platform. Pretending Nazis deserve a seat at a the table and deserve to be treated like a supporter of any other ideology is cowardly and stupid. Pretending like calling immigrants "animals" or "the enemy within" is legitimate political discourse is how fascism takes root. I just don't want to hear athletes/celebrities talk about politics because they are rich and don't face the same problems that most Americans do. It's a major turn off (for me at least) Condemning Nazis should not even be considered political. It should always be the default state of affairs. Stop allowing them to reframe basic issues of human rights as things that should be up for political debate. |
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