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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 10:52:11 GMT -5
Struck gold is pretty premature on Strawther, and to a lesser extent Watson. It appears he totally struck out on Saric, who is now tied to us for two years if we can’t trade him. He overpaid Reggie Jackson and gave him a player option that we had to sell 3 2nds just to dump. Gave another three picks to draft a guy that every one knew we wanted, and resulted in phx getting our picks and perhaps getting the steal of the draft in Ryan Dunn. He made Zeke our 5th highest paid Nugget. With the financial situation this team is in, we have to make smart moves on the margins and he’s failed miserably the past two seasons in my estimation. Sure, if Strawther takes a jump this season, Peyton becomes a playoff rotation guy and Braun continues his torrid pace…it might still be ok. But he’s created a situation where we absolutely need all of those guys to hit big. As I wrote upthread today, Booth has made many mistakes. All GMs do. Remember TC traded draft pick Donovan Mitchell in a play for Anunobi? Ended up with Lyles and Lydon? Not making excuses for Booth, but firing him would never guarantee that the next GM doesn’t make more and worse mistakes than handing a player option to RJ and signing Saric, which hasn’t totally played out yet. The Zeke extension appears terrible, but there are scores of contracts in the league that are overpays. Booth will stay, that just a fact. The extension is coming, as we’ve read. Team is playing well at the moment. His picks are developing in the rotation right now. This reminds me of when folks screamed to FIRE MALONE, within the same year that he won a championship. Relax. He may be extended, but that doesn’t end the discourse on whether he should be. This is a forum where we endlessly debate things that we have no control over. In my opinion, he had one real job this past off season, which was to get deeper so the team is fresher for the postseason. He has failed so far…look no further than jokic’s minutes to start the season. Maybe he surprises us with a trade deadline move, but he’s put us in terrible position to make such a move with the aforementioned boneheaded moves. The last sure fire playoff rotation guy he drafted was Braun. We have hopes for Watson. Some of us have hopes for Strawther, but you act like it’s a done deal that we’ve created a contending roster with all three playing major roles. Hopefully it works out, because it’s the only real path to cover up for his otherwise terrible roster decisions the past 2 years. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 11:14:15 GMT -5
As I wrote upthread today, Booth has made many mistakes. All GMs do. Remember TC traded draft pick Donovan Mitchell in a play for Anunobi? Ended up with Lyles and Lydon? Not making excuses for Booth, but firing him would never guarantee that the next GM doesn’t make more and worse mistakes than handing a player option to RJ and signing Saric, which hasn’t totally played out yet. The Zeke extension appears terrible, but there are scores of contracts in the league that are overpays. Booth will stay, that just a fact. The extension is coming, as we’ve read. Team is playing well at the moment. His picks are developing in the rotation right now. This reminds me of when folks screamed to FIRE MALONE, within the same year that he won a championship. Relax. He may be extended, but that doesn’t end the discourse on whether he should be. This is a forum where we endlessly debate things that we have no control over. In my opinion, he had one real job this past off season, which was to get deeper so the team is fresher for the postseason. He has failed so far…look no further than jokic’s minutes to start the season. Maybe he surprises us with a trade deadline move, but he’s put us in terrible position to make such a move with the aforementioned boneheaded moves. The last sure fire playoff rotation guy he drafted was Braun. We have hopes for Watson. Some of us have hopes for Strawther, but you act like it’s a done deal that we’ve created a contending roster with all three playing major roles. Hopefully it works out, because it’s the only real path to cover up for his otherwise terrible roster decisions the past 2 years. 1) There is a rumor I’ve read that Jokic has asked Malone to play more minutes, in order to up his stamina for postseason by playing similar mpg in regular season. He might have felt his conditioning wasn’t good enough, and this counterintuitive hike in minutes is due to Jokic’s preference, not due to Malone coaching choice or lack of a backup C alternative. 2) We could use a better backup C, but backups are on the roster now who aren’t being used. DJ, Saric, even Zeke. Jokic minutes are up not due to the awfulness of backups, but something else. 3) I haven’t believed in a playoff run this season. See bold predictions thread. I have this team at 49 wins and a 1st round exit. CBA and 2nd apron, along with KSE financial constraints imposed on Booth, are the much more likely reasons than any incompetence by our GM. 4) Watson and Strawther are 100% in the postseason rotation in 2025, assuming they’re healthy. You may not like their readiness for the challenge, but it’s needed for important experience they’ll gain for postseasons down the road. It may cost us a deep playoff run, and I predict we are a 5-seed that will be eliminated in 1st round. If that happens, Malone is on hot seat (also undeserved), not Booth. 5) With Project Dynasty players CB, PW, and JS, we will make a deep playoff run in the future. 2026, 2027, and 2028 are all looking promising. Our Core 4 will still be in their prime. Relax. |
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 11:38:06 GMT -5
He may be extended, but that doesn’t end the discourse on whether he should be. This is a forum where we endlessly debate things that we have no control over. In my opinion, he had one real job this past off season, which was to get deeper so the team is fresher for the postseason. He has failed so far…look no further than jokic’s minutes to start the season. Maybe he surprises us with a trade deadline move, but he’s put us in terrible position to make such a move with the aforementioned boneheaded moves. The last sure fire playoff rotation guy he drafted was Braun. We have hopes for Watson. Some of us have hopes for Strawther, but you act like it’s a done deal that we’ve created a contending roster with all three playing major roles. Hopefully it works out, because it’s the only real path to cover up for his otherwise terrible roster decisions the past 2 years. 1) There is a rumor I’ve read that Jokic has asked Malone to play more minutes, in order to up his stamina for postseason by playing similar mpg in regular season. He might have felt his conditioning wasn’t good enough, and this counterintuitive hike in minutes is due to Jokic’s preference, not due to Malone coaching choice or lack of a backup C alternative. 2) We could use a better backup C, but backups are on the roster now who aren’t being used. DJ, Saric, even Zeke. Jokic minutes are up not due to the awfulness of backups, but something else. 3) I haven’t believed in a playoff run this season. See bold predictions thread. I have this team at 49 wins and a 1st round exit. CBA and 2nd apron, along with KSE financial constraints imposed on Booth, are the much more likely reasons than any incompetence by our GM. 4) Watson and Strawther are 100% in the postseason rotation in 2025, assuming they’re healthy. You may not like their readiness for the challenge, but it’s needed for important experience they’ll gain for postseasons down the road. It may cost us a deep playoff run, and I predict we are a 5-seed that will be eliminated in 1st round. If that happens, Malone is on hot seat (also undeserved), not Booth. 5) With Project Dynasty players CB, PW, and JS, we will make a deep playoff run in the future. 2026, 2027, and 2028 are all looking promising. Our Core 4 will still be in their prime. Relax. #1. Oh you heard a rumor? Guess that settles it. #2. is ‘something else’ just you repeating the rumor that Jokic wants to play more? Ok. Fact remains all those guys are bad and booth signed them all. #3-5. Asinine. We’re not 2023 OKC. We’re not trying to gain experience for future runs. Jokic’s prime is now. Tomorrow is never promised. 2027? 2028? Are you serious? As for the excuse that we have no options…Phoenix has been deep in the 2nd apron since day 1. They turned over their entire bench and got a quality starter using mid season trades and offseason FA signings. So it can be done. The lack of flexibility has more to do with moronic contracts and dumping draft assets…which booth did to himself. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 12:02:49 GMT -5
1) There is a rumor I’ve read that Jokic has asked Malone to play more minutes, in order to up his stamina for postseason by playing similar mpg in regular season. He might have felt his conditioning wasn’t good enough, and this counterintuitive hike in minutes is due to Jokic’s preference, not due to Malone coaching choice or lack of a backup C alternative. 2) We could use a better backup C, but backups are on the roster now who aren’t being used. DJ, Saric, even Zeke. Jokic minutes are up not due to the awfulness of backups, but something else. 3) I haven’t believed in a playoff run this season. See bold predictions thread. I have this team at 49 wins and a 1st round exit. CBA and 2nd apron, along with KSE financial constraints imposed on Booth, are the much more likely reasons than any incompetence by our GM. 4) Watson and Strawther are 100% in the postseason rotation in 2025, assuming they’re healthy. You may not like their readiness for the challenge, but it’s needed for important experience they’ll gain for postseasons down the road. It may cost us a deep playoff run, and I predict we are a 5-seed that will be eliminated in 1st round. If that happens, Malone is on hot seat (also undeserved), not Booth. 5) With Project Dynasty players CB, PW, and JS, we will make a deep playoff run in the future. 2026, 2027, and 2028 are all looking promising. Our Core 4 will still be in their prime. Relax. #1. Oh you heard a rumor? Guess that settles it. #2. is ‘something else’ just you repeating the rumor that Jokic wants to play more? Ok. Fact remains all those guys are bad and booth signed them all. #3-5. Asinine. We’re not 2023 OKC. We’re not trying to gain experience for future runs. Jokic’s prime is now. Tomorrow is never promised. 2027? 2028? Are you serious? As for the excuse that we have no options…Phoenix has been deep in the 2nd apron since day 1. They turned over their entire bench and got a quality starter using mid season trades and offseason FA signings. So it can be done. The lack of flexibility has more to do with moronic contracts and dumping draft assets…which booth did to himself. Your snark notwithstanding, Malone allocates playing time, not Booth. We don’t know Saric is terrible. AG said at media day we don’t appreciate what he will do for this team. Saric was terrible for 44 minutes this season. That’s all he’s played. Malone said after his next to last outing that Saric just has to keep playing through this. Then, Malone pulled the plug after another weak outing a game later. That is Malone making a choice to not play a backup C much if at all. He did play DJ twice, which wasn’t a horrible disaster. Yet, now he barely plays even one of these guys. Zeke got 3 minutes in the last game. It’s silly to place this on Booth. Malone is managing the team, game to game. And Jokic does have input. Yes, 2027 is looking good. The entire window is the length of time the Core 4 are signed to be together. The only change I could see coming is a trade of MPJ for perhaps two shooters to improve our depth and flexibility. Otherwise, the Core 4 plus a supporting cast is what will determine how deep we go in the playoffs. Booth is fantastic at late first round picks so far, and you aren’t recognizing it. Now, that’s asinine!😁 |
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Post by JB on Nov 10, 2024 12:11:02 GMT -5
Jones is a UFA
Monte is a UFA
Plumlee is a UFA
developing young players on cost controlled salaries is undoubtedly a better long term strategy than relying on FA for vets every season. yes, the Suns got lucky last summer because the market was over-saturated with vets looking for contracts but I remember the previous off-season was dire with no real upgrade over Reggie Jackson's corpse. this is the gamble you get playing that game.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 10, 2024 12:14:16 GMT -5
The core 4 (Jokic, Jamal, MPJ, AG) plus the young 3 (Braun, Watson, Strawther) look like they could be a genuinely contending-quality 7-man rotation by the end of this season and for the next few seasons as the younger guys continue the growth we've already seen. Now, you really need 8 or 9 to go deep in the playoffs, as well as the occasional "guy who can eat up 16 mpg for a couple weeks if someone ahead on the depth chart goes down". Russ is one of those guys who can play playoff minutes, and a healthy Vlatko and DAJ are "eat up 16 mpg" guys, so the team is really ... one ... quality backup big away from being what we hope it can be. I hoped it'd be Saric now and Holmes in the future, and it still might be, but it's frustrating that Saric seems like a miss and Holmes is injured. I think if either of those had worked the other way, we wouldn't be so glum about Pickett/Tyson over other 2nd rounders and g-league guys and vets.
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 12:23:21 GMT -5
The core 4 (Jokic, Jamal, MPJ, AG) plus the young 3 (Braun, Watson, Strawther) look like they could be a genuinely contending-quality 7-man rotation by the end of this season and for the next few seasons as the younger guys continue the growth we've already seen. Now, you really need 8 or 9 to go deep in the playoffs, as well as the occasional "guy who can eat up 16 mpg for a couple weeks if someone ahead on the depth chart goes down". Russ is one of those guys who can play playoff minutes, and a healthy Vlatko and DAJ are "eat up 16 mpg" guys, so the team is really ... one ... quality backup big away from being what we hope it can be. I hoped it'd be Saric now and Holmes in the future, and it still might be, but it's frustrating that Saric seems like a miss and Holmes is injured. I think if either of those had worked the other way, we wouldn't be so glum about Pickett/Tyson over other 2nd rounders and g-league guys and vets. Good take. Saric will probably still have good moments for the Nuggets, or he will be used in a deadline trade. He’s had a 10 year career and isn’t suddenly washed at age 31. Perhaps a bad fit for our style of basketball, but I don’t think we can conclude that, based on just 44 minutes of PT. Malone has him in the doghouse right now, because we are winning. If we hit a bump in the road, Saric will likely be back in rotation. Nothing we could do about Holmes. But I do think we kept Zeke due to the injury. Booth prolly had plans to trade him before the season started, but once Holmes went down in Summer League, plans changed. Booth getting the blame for everything around here is an example of fans looking for scapegoats when no scapegoat is needed for a 6-3 start. It’s silly and, yes, asinine. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 12:28:07 GMT -5
Jones is a UFA Monte is a UFA Plumlee is a UFA developing young players on cost controlled salaries is undoubtedly a better long term strategy than relying on FA for vets every season. yes, the Suns got lucky last summer because the market was over-saturated with vets looking for contracts but I remember the previous off-season was dire with no real upgrade over Reggie Jackson's corpse. this is the gamble you get playing that game. Project Dynasty is a conscious choice, has the backing of Josh (otherwise no extension would be coming), and is the right strategy with the right guys. Do we have the right guys to pull it off? It sure looks promising right now! If CB, PW, and JS continue to develop into complimentary role players for our Core 4, Booth will rightfully be lauded for his foresight. RW in for RJ looks already like a brilliant move. All Booth needs to do now is get rid of Pickett somehow, and bring in a Holiday or Walker. A backup center upgrade would be nice but not necessary for playoffs as Malone uses AG in postseason as backup C. |
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 12:52:07 GMT -5
#1. Oh you heard a rumor? Guess that settles it. #2. is ‘something else’ just you repeating the rumor that Jokic wants to play more? Ok. Fact remains all those guys are bad and booth signed them all. #3-5. Asinine. We’re not 2023 OKC. We’re not trying to gain experience for future runs. Jokic’s prime is now. Tomorrow is never promised. 2027? 2028? Are you serious? As for the excuse that we have no options…Phoenix has been deep in the 2nd apron since day 1. They turned over their entire bench and got a quality starter using mid season trades and offseason FA signings. So it can be done. The lack of flexibility has more to do with moronic contracts and dumping draft assets…which booth did to himself. Your snark notwithstanding, Malone allocates playing time, not Booth. We don’t know Saric is terrible. AG said at media day we don’t appreciate what he will do for this team. Saric was terrible for 44 minutes this season. That’s all he’s played. Malone said after his next to last outing that Saric just has to keep playing through this. Then, Malone pulled the plug after another weak outing a game later. That is Malone making a choice to not play a backup C much if at all. He did play DJ twice, which wasn’t a horrible disaster. Yet, now he barely plays even one of these guys. Zeke got 3 minutes in the last game. It’s silly to place this on Booth. Malone is managing the team, game to game. And Jokic does have input. Yes, 2027 is looking good. The entire window is the length of time the Core 4 are signed to be together. The only change I could see coming is a trade of MPJ for perhaps two shooters to improve our depth and flexibility. Otherwise, the Core 4 plus a supporting cast is what will determine how deep we go in the playoffs. Booth is fantastic at late first round picks so far, and you aren’t recognizing it. Now, that’s asinine!😁 I guess the good news is that we’ll know if your optimism is warranted by seasons end. I am a Nuggets fan, so I hope you are correct. I would agree that if all 3 hit (we are arguably halfway there), then you’ve 7 guys contract controlled and you’re back to filling in the margins with vets to lengthen your bench. If we end the season with the jury still being out on Pwat and Strawther…then the narrative of Booth failing Jokic is warranted. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 13:13:25 GMT -5
Your snark notwithstanding, Malone allocates playing time, not Booth. We don’t know Saric is terrible. AG said at media day we don’t appreciate what he will do for this team. Saric was terrible for 44 minutes this season. That’s all he’s played. Malone said after his next to last outing that Saric just has to keep playing through this. Then, Malone pulled the plug after another weak outing a game later. That is Malone making a choice to not play a backup C much if at all. He did play DJ twice, which wasn’t a horrible disaster. Yet, now he barely plays even one of these guys. Zeke got 3 minutes in the last game. It’s silly to place this on Booth. Malone is managing the team, game to game. And Jokic does have input. Yes, 2027 is looking good. The entire window is the length of time the Core 4 are signed to be together. The only change I could see coming is a trade of MPJ for perhaps two shooters to improve our depth and flexibility. Otherwise, the Core 4 plus a supporting cast is what will determine how deep we go in the playoffs. Booth is fantastic at late first round picks so far, and you aren’t recognizing it. Now, that’s asinine!😁 I guess the good news is that we’ll know if your optimism is warranted by seasons end. I am a Nuggets fan, so I hope you are correct. I would agree that if all 3 hit (we are arguably halfway there), then you’ve 7 guys contract controlled and you’re back to filling in the margins with vets to lengthen your bench. If we end the season with the jury still being out on Pwat and Strawther…then the narrative of Booth failing Jokic is warranted. Actually, we won’t know by season’s end. 2025 playoffs will likely be first round exit if it’s used as a learning experience for our Young 3. In 2026, we shall see if that pays off. We certainly don’t know anything right now, other than we are 6-3 and the Young 3 seem to be developing and are in the rotation. Now is not the time to cast judgement on Calvin Booth, one way or the other. But I like his late first round picks and think those should not be given short shrift or underemphasized. |
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 14:03:08 GMT -5
I guess the good news is that we’ll know if your optimism is warranted by seasons end. I am a Nuggets fan, so I hope you are correct. I would agree that if all 3 hit (we are arguably halfway there), then you’ve 7 guys contract controlled and you’re back to filling in the margins with vets to lengthen your bench. If we end the season with the jury still being out on Pwat and Strawther…then the narrative of Booth failing Jokic is warranted. Actually, we won’t know by season’s end. 2025 playoffs will likely be first round exit if it’s used as a learning experience for our Young 3. In 2026, we shall see if that pays off. We certainly don’t know anything right now, other than we are 6-3 and the Young 3 seem to be developing and are in the rotation. Now is not the time to cast judgement on Calvin Booth, one way or the other. But I like his late first round picks and think those should not be given short shrift or underemphasized. I think if we exit first round, it’s a huge indictment. We have 2 max players that have each lost seasons due to major injuries. You can’t afford to waste any opportunities hoping to see development from your bench guys. You talk about 2027 and 2028 like it’s a given everything just stays the same with the core 4. I’m old enough to remember 1994 when it was a given we were up and coming as a title contender. Instead Issel ditched the team, Fonz got hurt, and Dikembe was gone not long after. You are in championship mode every year with this team. There are no mulligan years. Every offseason should be a mix of drafted guys and ring chasing vets filling out the roster. 3 late firsts contributing is a plus, but the fact that we’ve failed the other half of that equation is why we’re even talking about punting this year. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 15:10:02 GMT -5
Actually, we won’t know by season’s end. 2025 playoffs will likely be first round exit if it’s used as a learning experience for our Young 3. In 2026, we shall see if that pays off. We certainly don’t know anything right now, other than we are 6-3 and the Young 3 seem to be developing and are in the rotation. Now is not the time to cast judgement on Calvin Booth, one way or the other. But I like his late first round picks and think those should not be given short shrift or underemphasized. I think if we exit first round, it’s a huge indictment. We have 2 max players that have each lost seasons due to major injuries. You can’t afford to waste any opportunities hoping to see development from your bench guys. You talk about 2027 and 2028 like it’s a given everything just stays the same with the core 4. I’m old enough to remember 1994 when it was a given we were up and coming as a title contender. Instead Issel ditched the team, Fonz got hurt, and Dikembe was gone not long after. You are in championship mode every year with this team. There are no mulligan years. Every offseason should be a mix of drafted guys and ring chasing vets filling out the roster. 3 late firsts contributing is a plus, but the fact that we’ve failed the other half of that equation is why we’re even talking about punting this year. I’m just realistic, we can’t expect this to be a “championship or bust” season, even if we had kept KCP and have this exact roster along with him. The Western Conference is very tough. Much tougher than the conference was in 2023 when we won it all. My first round exit forecast is the low end of forecasts. The team could still surprise us, and we could still go far. It depends on health, the pace of development of the Young 3, and whether any vets are added to this roster by the deadline. The potential to win a chip this year is there. It’s just unlikely, if you’re being realistic. No one should be indicted for a first round exit, contrary to your assertion. You have to look at context at the time and see what the reasons were for our early exit. Someone might pay with their job, most likely Malone. But that would be shortsighted as it was Malone (and his genius development of Jokic-ball) that created the expectations in the first place. And if Booth is extended as seems likely soon, then he won’t pay with his job either. So what in the world does “Indictment” mean, really? Some years we will go far, other years we won’t, during the Jokic era. I remember 1994 too. It was promising, but ended once Phonz was discovered with a hole in his knee. That team as contructed wasn’t nearly as good as this one. Letting Deke go to Atlanta for nothing was true incompetence by Peter Bynoe and Alan Bristow, IIRC. Bernie Satan was very destructive for this franchise too. The situation we have now bares no resemblance to that. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 10, 2024 16:08:22 GMT -5
He may be extended, but that doesn’t end the discourse on whether he should be. This is a forum where we endlessly debate things that we have no control over. In my opinion, he had one real job this past off season, which was to get deeper so the team is fresher for the postseason. He has failed so far…look no further than jokic’s minutes to start the season. Maybe he surprises us with a trade deadline move, but he’s put us in terrible position to make such a move with the aforementioned boneheaded moves. The last sure fire playoff rotation guy he drafted was Braun. We have hopes for Watson. Some of us have hopes for Strawther, but you act like it’s a done deal that we’ve created a contending roster with all three playing major roles. Hopefully it works out, because it’s the only real path to cover up for his otherwise terrible roster decisions the past 2 years. 1) There is a rumor I’ve read that Jokic has asked Malone to play more minutes, in order to up his stamina for postseason by playing similar mpg in regular season. He might have felt his conditioning wasn’t good enough, and this counterintuitive hike in minutes is due to Jokic’s preference, not due to Malone coaching choice or lack of a backup C alternative. 2) We could use a better backup C, but backups are on the roster now who aren’t being used. DJ, Saric, even Zeke. Jokic minutes are up not due to the awfulness of backups, but something else. 3) I haven’t believed in a playoff run this season. See bold predictions thread. I have this team at 49 wins and a 1st round exit. CBA and 2nd apron, along with KSE financial constraints imposed on Booth, are the much more likely reasons than any incompetence by our GM. 4) Watson and Strawther are 100% in the postseason rotation in 2025, assuming they’re healthy. You may not like their readiness for the challenge, but it’s needed for important experience they’ll gain for postseasons down the road. It may cost us a deep playoff run, and I predict we are a 5-seed that will be eliminated in 1st round. If that happens, Malone is on hot seat (also undeserved), not Booth. 5) With Project Dynasty players CB, PW, and JS, we will make a deep playoff run in the future. 2026, 2027, and 2028 are all looking promising. Our Core 4 will still be in their prime. Relax. #3 makes everything else irrelevant almost. We have the by far best player in the league but we are supposed to relax because we wont win a ring this year? The plan to not win a ring this year is just insane. Completely unheard of |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 10, 2024 19:24:53 GMT -5
NT are totally fine with forfeiting the championship this season
Whats the point of having a 4 time MVP?
Legit question, why even bother forcing Jokic to be in the states if this season ambition is 1st round exit
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 19:53:44 GMT -5
I think if we exit first round, it’s a huge indictment. We have 2 max players that have each lost seasons due to major injuries. You can’t afford to waste any opportunities hoping to see development from your bench guys. You talk about 2027 and 2028 like it’s a given everything just stays the same with the core 4. I’m old enough to remember 1994 when it was a given we were up and coming as a title contender. Instead Issel ditched the team, Fonz got hurt, and Dikembe was gone not long after. You are in championship mode every year with this team. There are no mulligan years. Every offseason should be a mix of drafted guys and ring chasing vets filling out the roster. 3 late firsts contributing is a plus, but the fact that we’ve failed the other half of that equation is why we’re even talking about punting this year. I’m just realistic, we can’t expect this to be a “championship or bust” season, even if we had kept KCP and have this exact roster along with him. The Western Conference is very tough. Much tougher than the conference was in 2023 when we won it all. My first round exit forecast is the low end of forecasts. The team could still surprise us, and we could still go far. It depends on health, the pace of development of the Young 3, and whether any vets are added to this roster by the deadline. The potential to win a chip this year is there. It’s just unlikely, if you’re being realistic. No one should be indicted for a first round exit, contrary to your assertion. You have to look at context at the time and see what the reasons were for our early exit. Someone might pay with their job, most likely Malone. But that would be shortsighted as it was Malone (and his genius development of Jokic-ball) that created the expectations in the first place. And if Booth is extended as seems likely soon, then he won’t pay with his job either. So what in the world does “Indictment” mean, really? Some years we will go far, other years we won’t, during the Jokic era. I remember 1994 too. It was promising, but ended once Phonz was discovered with a hole in his knee. That team as contructed wasn’t nearly as good as this one. Letting Deke go to Atlanta for nothing was true incompetence by Peter Bynoe and Alan Bristow, IIRC. Bernie Satan was very destructive for this franchise too. The situation we have now bares no resemblance to that. You keep countering what I think SHOULD happen with what will happen. I think Booth should be fired because of his recent missteps, which I think foretell future missteps in roster building. It SHOULD be a black mark to be a first round exit with the best player in the world. It should be moreso if the team he’s constructed is EXPECTED to out in the first round. We both agree that he won’t be fired, which is fine according to you. It is disappointing to me. The context around this season is that we were favorites to win the title last year and this year we (in your expectation) are now not expected to make it to the 2nd round. That’s a GM issue because he has failed to improve us on the margins. I’ll quit belaboring the point now because I think we just have different definitions on what should be expected of this team. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 10, 2024 19:59:25 GMT -5
I’m just realistic, we can’t expect this to be a “championship or bust” season, even if we had kept KCP and have this exact roster along with him. The Western Conference is very tough. Much tougher than the conference was in 2023 when we won it all. My first round exit forecast is the low end of forecasts. The team could still surprise us, and we could still go far. It depends on health, the pace of development of the Young 3, and whether any vets are added to this roster by the deadline. The potential to win a chip this year is there. It’s just unlikely, if you’re being realistic. No one should be indicted for a first round exit, contrary to your assertion. You have to look at context at the time and see what the reasons were for our early exit. Someone might pay with their job, most likely Malone. But that would be shortsighted as it was Malone (and his genius development of Jokic-ball) that created the expectations in the first place. And if Booth is extended as seems likely soon, then he won’t pay with his job either. So what in the world does “Indictment” mean, really? Some years we will go far, other years we won’t, during the Jokic era. I remember 1994 too. It was promising, but ended once Phonz was discovered with a hole in his knee. That team as contructed wasn’t nearly as good as this one. Letting Deke go to Atlanta for nothing was true incompetence by Peter Bynoe and Alan Bristow, IIRC. Bernie Satan was very destructive for this franchise too. The situation we have now bares no resemblance to that. You keep countering what I think SHOULD happen with what will happen. I think Booth should be fired because of his recent missteps, which I think foretell future missteps in roster building. It SHOULD be a black mark to be a first round exit with the best player in the world. It should be moreso if the team he’s constructed is EXPECTED to out in the first round. We both agree that he won’t be fired, which is fine according to you. It is disappointing to me. The context around this season is that we were favorites to win the title last year and this year we (in your expectation) are now not expected to make it to the 2nd round. That’s a GM issue because he has failed to improve us on the margins. I’ll quit belaboring the point now because I think we just have different definitions on what should be expected of this team. I think you’re judgmental and premature in even thinking about firing Booth. You seem to back your argument on the basis of my expectation of an early exit. Nothing has happened yet, and I might be underrating this version of the Nuggets. I think you’re a spoiled fan if you want to discuss whether or not Booth should be fired now. It is not even in bounds and I’d love to shut that type of convo down, but I can’t. Just as Adam Mares shut down Matt Moore in November 2022 when he asked him after a tough loss whether an in-season firing of Malone should be in play for discussion. Mares was pissed at that being raised by Moore and shut it down. The Booth debate is equally out of bounds, at this moment. But you be you. |
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 10, 2024 20:13:40 GMT -5
You keep countering what I think SHOULD happen with what will happen. I think Booth should be fired because of his recent missteps, which I think foretell future missteps in roster building. It SHOULD be a black mark to be a first round exit with the best player in the world. It should be moreso if the team he’s constructed is EXPECTED to out in the first round. We both agree that he won’t be fired, which is fine according to you. It is disappointing to me. The context around this season is that we were favorites to win the title last year and this year we (in your expectation) are now not expected to make it to the 2nd round. That’s a GM issue because he has failed to improve us on the margins. I’ll quit belaboring the point now because I think we just have different definitions on what should be expected of this team. I think you’re judgmental and premature in even thinking about firing Booth. You seem to back your argument on the basis of my expectation of an early exit. Nothing has happened yet, and I might be underrating this version of the Nuggets. I think you’re a spoiled fan if you want to discuss whether or not Booth should be fired now. It is not even in bounds and I’d love to shut that type of convo down, but I can’t. Just as Adam Mares shut down Matt Moore in November 2022 when he asked him after a tough loss whether an in-season firing of Malone should be in play for discussion. Mares was pissed at that being raised by Moore and shut it down. The Booth debate is equally out of bounds, at this moment. But you be you. Cool bro |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 11, 2024 6:12:03 GMT -5
The man is a moron. He thinks its okay to not have champion ambitions with our times Michael Jordan on the team.
How many years people expect Jokic to bother with basketball? 4-5 more years maybe?
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Post by game on Nov 11, 2024 12:58:01 GMT -5
Last I saw him he was admonishing me for begging CB to take the 3 pointers he turned down in the first few games. Then he was claiming Braun sucked at shooting. Oh, Game will reappear, but probably only after a 3-game losing streak, or after losing 4 out of 5. His agenda was clear. A malcontent fan who didn’t want to give this “Project Dynasty” plan any time to gel. Oh, Booth has made many mistakes. But he’s also done us a lot of good. CB, PWat, and Straw are 3 examples. Going from RJ to Russ appears to be another one. He whiffed on Saric so far. He whiffed on Pickett, especially giving him a standard NBA contract. Tyson isn’t very good. The Zeke extension is an albatross right now. But Murray is getting back to his old form, MPJ has been good for 10 days, and we are winning without AG at the moment (perhaps the Ewing Effect). There is no cause for Booth to be fired at all this season. He was blowing smoke up our asses. This is quite a conspiracy theory when the easy answer is right there in front of you. Brother, if you think my opinions on the Nuggets matter enough in my life that it would qualify as an "agenda", I'm afraid I can't explain to you enough how little this actually matters to me. I've been wrong lots of times and will be wrong lots more, hopefully as often as possible because they exceed my expectations. You have them pegged to lose in the first round with the best player in the NBA at the peak of his powers, so we're in agreement they're not good enough. You think that's an acceptable outcome and I do not. Maybe the guy who takes a victory lap on November 9th and is just strangely obsessed is the one with the agenda. Just saying.  |
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Post by GBG on Nov 11, 2024 13:20:14 GMT -5
Oh, Game will reappear, but probably only after a 3-game losing streak, or after losing 4 out of 5. His agenda was clear. A malcontent fan who didn’t want to give this “Project Dynasty” plan any time to gel. Oh, Booth has made many mistakes. But he’s also done us a lot of good. CB, PWat, and Straw are 3 examples. Going from RJ to Russ appears to be another one. He whiffed on Saric so far. He whiffed on Pickett, especially giving him a standard NBA contract. Tyson isn’t very good. The Zeke extension is an albatross right now. But Murray is getting back to his old form, MPJ has been good for 10 days, and we are winning without AG at the moment (perhaps the Ewing Effect). There is no cause for Booth to be fired at all this season. He was blowing smoke up our asses. This is quite a conspiracy theory when the easy answer is right there in front of you. Brother, if you think my opinions on the Nuggets matter enough in my life that it would qualify as an "agenda", I'm afraid I can't explain to you enough how little this actually matters. I've been wrong lots of times and will be wrong lots more, hopefully as often as possible because they exceed my expectations. What's funny is it appears we actually have similar opinions that this team is not good enough when the games matter. I see you're separating a shoulder patting yourself on the back for predicting a first round exit, so where we differ is that you think it's out bounds to ask for extreme urgency in a year Jokic turns 30 and is the best player in the league and you do not. Maybe the guy who takes a victory lap on November 9th and is just strangely obsessed is the one with the agenda. Just saying. Glad you admit you’re wrong often. Aren’t we all. Now, let’s keep everyone in the organization, maybe add to it at the deadline, and go for another chip next June. My first round exit prediction doesn’t mean it’s cast in stone! |
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