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Post by inyourmind on Nov 2, 2024 0:00:50 GMT -5
You really saw the lack of shooting kill them down the stretch. Just makes them very easy to defend. Just gunna get worse. Gordon/Jokic aren't going to sustain how they've shot to start the season. Nuggets might be in trouble. Watson/Westbrook/Saric look like they aren't going to cut it. I've really liked Strawther to start the season and can see him getting better as the year goes on. Think Malone can put him in a better position to succeed. That being said I think you can make a pretty good case that he's not ready to be the 6th/7th man on a contender and right now he's by far our best bench player. Forget Pickett and all the other trash the Nuggets don't have 6-9 figured out. Nuggets are pretty limited with the cap/lack of assets but a move is needed. Can't go all year with this roster. The Booth blame game epidemic here is getting embarrassing, though. He was cap constrained. Only thing I think he should have done is resign Holiday after cutting Pickett. It might still happen. Holiday hasn’t signed anywhere else to my knowledge, and I bet he’s holding out in hopes he gets a phone call. Yeah, Saric is a bust free agent signing. Should have just kept RJ as third PG, or sign an NBA guys like Dougie McBuckets. But Booth isn’t nearly as incompetent as being talked about here. He’s the worst of our GMs since before Masai, though. The notion that Booth is trying to get Malone fired is some serious hate. Only Jokic could get him canned, and he loves Malone. I think Booth went full out all or nothing and it's backfired. I think he saw CB improving as a shooter and becoming a great starter. Watson/Strawther breaking out. Westbrook adding an edge and Saric giving us what we need as a backup big. He's basically missed on everything outside of CB(and CB's shooting hasn't took another leap yet) I completely agree about being cap constrained tho. He didn't have alot of assets either. I won't pretend to know what's available but given the risks he was taking with Watson/CB/Strawther the Nuggets could have went with a less risky backup PG than Westbrook. He could have went after Trent Jr or really anyone to try and add more shooting. The elephant in the room is Murray as well. I'm sure he didn't see that coming. |
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Post by Ring on Nov 2, 2024 0:06:36 GMT -5
You don't deal well with people who think differently than you do, do you? I deal just fine. You returned to this message board with one and only one agenda, the case for which you repeat ad nauseum. Perhaps you should stop banging people over the head with it after the tenth post that made the same, tired plea for Booth’s firing? Don’t understand crazed fans who get so obsessed over one issue they see. You gotta find more to talk about, Nuggets-related. I mean they’re literally losing every single game because of the bench that Calvin created though. And Westbrook has been mostly bad and Saric looks unplayable. Calvin used the MLE on Saric. You can get a rotation piece with that money. Looks like a major whiff. Also Westbrook/Saric doesn’t even make sense on paper. Their games don’t compliment each others. The starters have beaten the opposing teams starters in every game this season. Yet they’re 2-3 and both wins took OT. Calvin should be getting a majority of the talk on this board. He’s destroying the franchise. This team has the best player in the world and they have no realistic path to a Championship. That’s how bad the roster is |
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 0:07:10 GMT -5
The Booth blame game epidemic here is getting embarrassing, though. He was cap constrained. Only thing I think he should have done is resign Holiday after cutting Pickett. It might still happen. Holiday hasn’t signed anywhere else to my knowledge, and I bet he’s holding out in hopes he gets a phone call. Yeah, Saric is a bust free agent signing. Should have just kept RJ as third PG, or sign an NBA guys like Dougie McBuckets. But Booth isn’t nearly as incompetent as being talked about here. He’s the worst of our GMs since before Masai, though. The notion that Booth is trying to get Malone fired is some serious hate. Only Jokic could get him canned, and he loves Malone. I think Booth went full out all or nothing and it's backfired. I think he saw CB improving as a shooter and becoming a great starter. Watson/Strawther breaking out. Westbrook adding an edge and Saric giving us what we need as a backup big. He's basically missed on everything outside of CB(and CB's shooting hasn't took another leap yet) I completely agree about being cap constrained tho. He didn't have alot of assets either. I won't pretend to know what's available but given the risks he was taking with Watson/CB/Strawther the Nuggets could have went with a less risky backup PG than Westbrook. He could have went after Trent Jr or really anyone to try and add more shooting. The elephant in the room is Murray as well. I'm sure he didn't see that coming. 1) Murray is no elephant unless his numbers are this bad by Christmas. He’s a notorious slow starter, and might be adding pressure to himself, given the criticism he hears and the max extension he’s trying to justify. He just needs to be healthy, relax, and do his normal balling as the season gets out of early phase. 2) Westbrook was a Jokic request that Booth granted him. He will have bad and good games. I thought he looked okay in 4Q and helped our starters build a 10 point lead with his hustle. Jury is way out on him still, though. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 0:11:48 GMT -5
I deal just fine. You returned to this message board with one and only one agenda, the case for which you repeat ad nauseum. Perhaps you should stop banging people over the head with it after the tenth post that made the same, tired plea for Booth’s firing? Don’t understand crazed fans who get so obsessed over one issue they see. You gotta find more to talk about, Nuggets-related. I mean they’re literally losing every single game because of the bench that Calvin created though. And Westbrook has been mostly bad and Saric looks unplayable. Calvin used the MLE on Saric. You can get a rotation piece with that money. Looks like a major whiff. Also Westbrook/Saric doesn’t even make sense on paper. Their games don’t compliment each others. The starters have beaten the opposing teams starters in every game this season. Yet they’re 2-3 and both wins took OT. Calvin should be getting a majority of the talk on this board. He’s destroying the franchise. This team has the best player in the world and they have no realistic path to a Championship. That’s how bad the roster is Destroying the franchise? You see, that’s hyperbole. And Booth didn’t commit fireable offense by signing Saric. It was just a whiff. All GMs whiff on deals. His problem was the second round of draft in 2023 which we’ve discussed before, and putting them on NBA guaranteed contracts. That blocked us from signing vets. One of them had to go, Pickett. It still might happen. If we get rid of him and sign Holiday or someone equivalent, if Watson gets over his jitters from missing preseason, and Cancar starts playing, bench will look much improved. We just need to stay healthy in the meantime. |
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 2, 2024 0:12:24 GMT -5
I think Booth went full out all or nothing and it's backfired. I think he saw CB improving as a shooter and becoming a great starter. Watson/Strawther breaking out. Westbrook adding an edge and Saric giving us what we need as a backup big. He's basically missed on everything outside of CB(and CB's shooting hasn't took another leap yet) I completely agree about being cap constrained tho. He didn't have alot of assets either. I won't pretend to know what's available but given the risks he was taking with Watson/CB/Strawther the Nuggets could have went with a less risky backup PG than Westbrook. He could have went after Trent Jr or really anyone to try and add more shooting. The elephant in the room is Murray as well. I'm sure he didn't see that coming. 1) Murray is no elephant unless his numbers are this bad by Christmas. He’s a notorious slow starter, and might be adding pressure to himself, given the criticism he hears and the max extension he’s trying to justify. He just needs to be healthy relax, and do his normal balling as the season gets out of early phase. 2) Westbrook was a Jokic request that Booth granted him. He will have bad and good games. I thought he looked okay in 4Q and helped our starters build a 10 point lead with his hustle. Jury is way out on him still, though. Jury is not out on Westbrook. Unless you haven’t watched nba basketball the past 5 years. He is exactly what he is, and anyone expecting more was kidding themselves. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 0:14:21 GMT -5
1) Murray is no elephant unless his numbers are this bad by Christmas. He’s a notorious slow starter, and might be adding pressure to himself, given the criticism he hears and the max extension he’s trying to justify. He just needs to be healthy relax, and do his normal balling as the season gets out of early phase. 2) Westbrook was a Jokic request that Booth granted him. He will have bad and good games. I thought he looked okay in 4Q and helped our starters build a 10 point lead with his hustle. Jury is way out on him still, though. Jury is not out on Westbrook. Unless you haven’t watched nba basketball the past 5 years. He is exactly what he is, and anyone expecting more was kidding themselves. He’s an upgrade on paper from Jackson. Our team got better switching from RJ to Westbrook. Problem is team could have kept RJ instead of signing the stiff Saric. |
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Post by freakns on Nov 2, 2024 0:14:42 GMT -5
how on earth did we lose this? bench is... I dont even know
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Post by sawyeral on Nov 2, 2024 0:19:13 GMT -5
Jury is not out on Westbrook. Unless you haven’t watched nba basketball the past 5 years. He is exactly what he is, and anyone expecting more was kidding themselves. He’s an upgrade on paper from Jackson. Our team got better switching from RJ to Westbrook. Problem is team could have kept RJ instead of signing the stiff Saric. Early season Reggie was far better than early season Russ has been. Reggie hit a wall mid season. If RJ went 1-8 with 4 turnovers, we would’nt be giving him any benefit of the doubt. Russ may have a place in this league. But being the savvy smart veteran point guard for a young bench is pretty much the opposite of what should be asked of him. |
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Post by inyourmind on Nov 2, 2024 0:20:47 GMT -5
I think Booth went full out all or nothing and it's backfired. I think he saw CB improving as a shooter and becoming a great starter. Watson/Strawther breaking out. Westbrook adding an edge and Saric giving us what we need as a backup big. He's basically missed on everything outside of CB(and CB's shooting hasn't took another leap yet) I completely agree about being cap constrained tho. He didn't have alot of assets either. I won't pretend to know what's available but given the risks he was taking with Watson/CB/Strawther the Nuggets could have went with a less risky backup PG than Westbrook. He could have went after Trent Jr or really anyone to try and add more shooting. The elephant in the room is Murray as well. I'm sure he didn't see that coming. 1) Murray is no elephant unless his numbers are this bad by Christmas. He’s a notorious slow starter, and might be adding pressure to himself, given the criticism he hears and the max extension he’s trying to justify. He just needs to be healthy relax, and do his normal balling as the season gets out of early phase. 2) Westbrook was a Jokic request that Booth granted him. He will have bad and good games. I thought he looked okay in 4Q and helped our starters build a 10 point lead with his hustle. Jury is way out on him still, though. I'm a big Murray fan and think he'll eventually get back(atleast in the playoffs) but this is different than the normal slow start. It's not just good ol regular season Murray inconsistency's we've all grown to expect. He looked bad in the playoffs, internationally, and now back in the NBA. He might need to get healthy because physically he doesn't look right as I'm not 100% convinced he could beat a pylon off the dribble right now. If that's the case than a better backup PG than Westbrook was needed. More shooting was needed. I get that and I was fine with him because we became a soft team and Westbrook certainly helps that. I'm a fan tho. Anybody could see the risk's with a Westbrook add. I agree the jury is still out .. but he hasn't looked "okay" at all IMO. He's looked pretty bad overall. You can see the D/pushing the pace/creating that's going to help but he's simply going to shoot you out of games alot. I didn't hate the offseason like alot of Nugget fans did. You can't deny what it was tho. It was a risky plan that had alot of upside if Booth was right about his guys. Early on it looks like a big miss and when you roll the dice with a player like Jokic in his prime your going to get destroyed. While he didn't have a ton of options the Nuggets easily could have tried to even out some of the risk they were taking this season. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Nov 2, 2024 0:25:21 GMT -5
God I hate games like this. We let things snowball for 2 little runs and lose a game that we controlled the other 41 minutes of. In 4 min at the start of the 2nd we give up an 18-2 run and then give up a 15-2 run over the last 3 minutes.
That's the nature of the game, but it's frustrating when you know your team can play better. Is this a great team right now? No. But you can't let a game end on a 15-2 run. You just can't.
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 0:25:27 GMT -5
1) Murray is no elephant unless his numbers are this bad by Christmas. He’s a notorious slow starter, and might be adding pressure to himself, given the criticism he hears and the max extension he’s trying to justify. He just needs to be healthy relax, and do his normal balling as the season gets out of early phase. 2) Westbrook was a Jokic request that Booth granted him. He will have bad and good games. I thought he looked okay in 4Q and helped our starters build a 10 point lead with his hustle. Jury is way out on him still, though. I'm a big Murray fan and think he'll eventually get back(atleast in the playoffs) but this is different than the normal slow start. It's not just good ol regular season Murray inconsistency's we've all grown to expect. He looked bad in the playoffs, internationally, and now back in the NBA. He might need to get healthy because physically he doesn't look right as I'm not 100% convinced he could beat a pylon off the dribble right now. If that's the case than a better backup PG than Westbrook was needed. More shooting was needed. I get that and I was fine with him because we became a soft team and Westbrook certainly helps that. I'm a fan tho. Anybody could see the risk's with a Westbrook add. I agree the jury is still out .. but he hasn't looked "okay" at all IMO. He's looked pretty bad overall. You can see the D/pushing the pace/creating that's going to help but he's simply going to shoot you out of games alot. I didn't hate the offseason like alot of Nugget fans did. You can't deny what it was tho. It was a risky plan that had alot of upside if Booth was right about his guys. Early on it looks like a big miss and when you roll the dice with a player like Jokic in his prime your going to get destroyed. While he didn't have a ton of options the Nuggets easily could have tried to even out some of the risk they were taking this season. Season is very young. Lots of unsigned vet free agents still out there. Moves will be made if necessary. Tonight’s game was encouraging to me since MPJ seems fixed and AG displayed a possible new skill set he’s worked hard on. He even made an elbow 3 off the dribble. I’ve never seen him do that before. Relax. |
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Post by inyourmind on Nov 2, 2024 0:47:14 GMT -5
I'm a big Murray fan and think he'll eventually get back(atleast in the playoffs) but this is different than the normal slow start. It's not just good ol regular season Murray inconsistency's we've all grown to expect. He looked bad in the playoffs, internationally, and now back in the NBA. He might need to get healthy because physically he doesn't look right as I'm not 100% convinced he could beat a pylon off the dribble right now. If that's the case than a better backup PG than Westbrook was needed. More shooting was needed. I get that and I was fine with him because we became a soft team and Westbrook certainly helps that. I'm a fan tho. Anybody could see the risk's with a Westbrook add. I agree the jury is still out .. but he hasn't looked "okay" at all IMO. He's looked pretty bad overall. You can see the D/pushing the pace/creating that's going to help but he's simply going to shoot you out of games alot. I didn't hate the offseason like alot of Nugget fans did. You can't deny what it was tho. It was a risky plan that had alot of upside if Booth was right about his guys. Early on it looks like a big miss and when you roll the dice with a player like Jokic in his prime your going to get destroyed. While he didn't have a ton of options the Nuggets easily could have tried to even out some of the risk they were taking this season. Season is very young. Lots of unsigned vet free agents still out there. Moves will be made if necessary. Tonight’s game was encouraging to me since MPJ seems fixed and AG displayed a possible new skill set he’s worked hard on. He even made an elbow 3 off the dribble. I’ve never seen him do that before. Relax. I'm honestly pretty relaxed. To me this season for the FO is what last years was for the players. The players earned the benefit of the doubt and even after the Spurs game I still believed. It was pretty clear that there wasn't the urgency needed last year and they simply didn't have what it took to repeat despite the excuses that some make for them. The Spurs game was the massive red flag and the season ended in similar fashion. I can see the upside of the FO's plan(outside of the clear need for shooting which as you said a move will be made) but even before the season started it was a pretty risky plan. You could see how it might backfire and how the FO put themselves in a position to basically have to hit on everything. I'm not ready to hit the panic button yet but if things do blow up their face than they'll deserve the criticism and much like the players last year the excuses some will make will be annoying. I'll let it play out but early on it looks about as bad as possible IMO. FO treated this offseason like the players treated last season. Just a ton of overconfidence and no urgency or panic. We know how that ended for the players last season and time will tell how it ends for the FO this season. |
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Post by game on Nov 2, 2024 1:02:51 GMT -5
You don't deal well with people who think differently than you do, do you? I deal just fine. You returned to this message board with one and only one agenda, the case for which you repeat ad nauseum. Perhaps you should stop banging people over the head with it after the tenth post that made the same, tired plea for Booth’s firing? Don’t understand crazed fans who get so obsessed over one issue they see. You gotta find more to talk about, Nuggets-related. I'll post what I think is interesting or I think is important enough to me to spend a few minutes typing out. You do the same. I can skim or ignore your stuff if I don't see value in it and I'm quite confident you can do the same with mine. You posted four tips for Michael Malone or whatever you called it at halftime like he might login and see it or you might have insight into coaching that he doesn't have. I don't understand that at all, but you enjoyed doing it, so I'm happy for you. I'm irrelevant in this equation. I can easily breeze right past it if I am not interested in what you have to say. I know you can do the same with what I post that you don't find interesting or understand. Neither of us are crazed or embarrassing or childish in this scenario. We're just different people who enjoy and articulate different things. I hope that helps. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 1:12:12 GMT -5
I deal just fine. You returned to this message board with one and only one agenda, the case for which you repeat ad nauseum. Perhaps you should stop banging people over the head with it after the tenth post that made the same, tired plea for Booth’s firing? Don’t understand crazed fans who get so obsessed over one issue they see. You gotta find more to talk about, Nuggets-related. I'll post what I think is interesting or I think is important enough to me to spend a few minutes typing out. You do the same. I can skim or ignore your stuff if I don't see value in it and I'm quite confident you can do the same with mine. You posted four tips for Michael Malone or whatever you called it at halftime like he might login and see it or you might have insight into coaching that he doesn't have. I don't understand that at all, but you enjoyed doing it, so I'm happy for you. I'm irrelevant in this equation. I can easily breeze right past it if I am not interested in what you have to say. I know you can do the same with what I post that you don't find interesting or understand. Neither of us are crazed or embarrassing or childish in this scenario. We're just different people who enjoy and articulate different things. I hope that helps. Your first few posts on the subject were interesting, then I noticed you started repeating yourself so I indeed read through those faster. You have been a good contributor here in the past, but right now it got boring to read the same. “FIRE BOOTH” over and over again, when you well know that it ain’t happening. Others joined in, so it makes a thread almost unreadable, though I try to read every fan’s take. Just think a bit more variety makes a thread more interesting. Repetition is what old guys do, like me. I’m nearly 71, and am starting to repeat myself like old folks are known to do. So I try to vary things on Nuggets or non-Nuggets (political these days) talk. Just friendly advice: You’ve made your point on Booth very clear, and I’d like to read something else from you unrelated to that agenda on Nuggets threads, because I’ve seen in the past that you write well and can be a really good commentator on the Nuggets. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 3:12:07 GMT -5
MPJ played well
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 3:14:09 GMT -5
I'll post what I think is interesting or I think is important enough to me to spend a few minutes typing out. You do the same. I can skim or ignore your stuff if I don't see value in it and I'm quite confident you can do the same with mine. You posted four tips for Michael Malone or whatever you called it at halftime like he might login and see it or you might have insight into coaching that he doesn't have. I don't understand that at all, but you enjoyed doing it, so I'm happy for you. I'm irrelevant in this equation. I can easily breeze right past it if I am not interested in what you have to say. I know you can do the same with what I post that you don't find interesting or understand. Neither of us are crazed or embarrassing or childish in this scenario. We're just different people who enjoy and articulate different things. I hope that helps. Your first few posts on the subject were interesting, then I noticed you started repeating yourself so I indeed read through those faster. You have been a good contributor here in the past, but right now it got boring to read the same. “FIRE BOOTH” over and over again, when you well know that it ain’t happening. Others joined in, so it makes a thread almost unreadable, though I try to read every fan’s take. Just think a bit more variety makes a thread more interesting. Repetition is what old guys do, like me. I’m nearly 71, and am starting to repeat myself like old folks are known to do. So I try to vary things on Nuggets or non-Nuggets (political these days) talk. Just friendly advice: You’ve made your point on Booth very clear, and I’d like to read something else from you unrelated to that agenda on Nuggets threads, because I’ve seen in the past that you write well and can be a really good commentator on the Nuggets. Lmao what. How about adressing the things he repeat and not spend 200 words repeating how he repeat stuff and used to be a quality poster. He is still quality, you just dont agree with him. Classic american way of thinking |
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Post by eathb on Nov 2, 2024 6:12:44 GMT -5
Denver Nuggets basketball has just been unenjoyable since the championship.
We lose to every good team.
We never win close games.
Jokic is kinda becoming a choke artist or unreliable in the last 3 minutes of games.
Minnesota, Dallas, Boston, Suns seem fine under the apron rules. But Denver? Nah we HAVE to lose Brown and KCP in consecutive seasons. Just no way around it.
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Post by passtheballquick on Nov 2, 2024 7:57:29 GMT -5
We lost a game in which Jokic and Gordon hit 7 3's on 70% fg.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 8:29:58 GMT -5
Denver Nuggets basketball has just been unenjoyable since the championship. We lose to every good team. We never win close games. Jokic is kinda becoming a choke artist or unreliable in the last 3 minutes of games. Minnesota, Dallas, Boston, Suns seem fine under the apron rules. But Denver? Nah we HAVE to lose Brown and KCP in consecutive seasons. Just no way around it. We definitely didnt have to lose KCP But despite us looking much worse we are actually much better without him :S |
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 8:36:45 GMT -5
Denver Nuggets basketball has just been unenjoyable since the championship. We lose to every good team. We never win close games. Jokic is kinda becoming a choke artist or unreliable in the last 3 minutes of games. Minnesota, Dallas, Boston, Suns seem fine under the apron rules. But Denver? Nah we HAVE to lose Brown and KCP in consecutive seasons. Just no way around it. We literally just won two OT games. |
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