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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 14:48:42 GMT -5
Christian Braun was absolutely not integral that year. He had moments, absolutely. Mostly during the regular season and exactly one playoff game - obviously a Finals game. Kudos to him, but they're winning the title just fine if he's not on the roster. KCP and Bruce were integral, and we're seeing how different things are without them (and they're seeing how different things are without Jokic, to be fair). We ran a 7.5 man rotation in the Conference and NBA Finals and the .5 was Jeff Green just trying not to screw up too badly until MPJ/Gordon came back in. Braun was the 7th man. We absolutely needed him. Otherwise KCP would've been playing 48 minutes a night. |
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Post by game on Nov 1, 2024 14:59:11 GMT -5
Christian Braun played 20 total minutes in the Conference Finals across three (not four) games and made zero shots. If you're mentioning that series specifically of the four they played, you're telling on yourself. 12 of those 20 minutes were in Game 1. So he played 8 total minutes after Game 1.
It's not a slight on him. He was a rookie under Michael f***ing Malone and played basically every playoff game but one and he had some great moments for a rookie - especially the Finals game. His one Finals game was so good he gets talked about like he was a critical rotation player the entire run, which he was not. He was a rotation player who mostly played super hard, defended, ate up fouls. Admirable for a rookie to be trusted like that. Seriously.
But integral he was not. Nor was Jeff Green. Call it the Justin Holiday test, or you name the replacement level player. They don't win the title if any of their top 6 are replaced by Justin Holiday. I feel fine about him replacing rookie year Braun or old Jeff Green and still winning the chip.
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Post by game on Nov 1, 2024 15:06:33 GMT -5
At least MPJ got his own quote in this Calvin Booth ego jerk piece as opposed to last time when he had to read Booth take shots at him right after they won a title.
Progress.
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Post by Ring on Nov 1, 2024 15:27:24 GMT -5
Not dissimilar from politics. This is a Booth campaign piece. Congrats on the books on your bookshelf, Calvin. You really are light years ahead. It's also notable DNVR speaks from the same angle that Malone is letting the front office down. Booth seems to be spending all of his time trying to win the PR war because he's doing nothing to help the roster. It sounds like his only real idea to improve is "play my draft picks more and you'd be fine". Based on nothing conspiracy theory for the day that I believe - this is a Tim Connelly quote: I don't really pay attention to DNVR that much anymore as I don't really have the time to watch their post game shows...but how the f**k can they be saying or even suggesting that Malone is letting the front office down? Like....who are they saying that should be playing right now lmao? Or getting more playing time? The only guy it makes any sense to say that about is getting Strawther more involved in the offense. Malone > Calvin. Calvin just comes across as such an arrogant prick. The antithesis to Tim. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 15:41:43 GMT -5
Not dissimilar from politics. This is a Booth campaign piece. Congrats on the books on your bookshelf, Calvin. You really are light years ahead. It's also notable DNVR speaks from the same angle that Malone is letting the front office down. Booth seems to be spending all of his time trying to win the PR war because he's doing nothing to help the roster. It sounds like his only real idea to improve is "play my draft picks more and you'd be fine". Based on nothing conspiracy theory for the day that I believe - this is a Tim Connelly quote: I don't really pay attention to DNVR that much anymore as I don't really have the time to watch their post game shows...but how the f**k can they be saying or even suggesting that Malone is letting the front office down? Like....who are they saying that should be playing right now lmao? Or getting more playing time? The only guy it makes any sense to say that about is getting Strawther more involved in the offense. Malone > Calvin. Calvin just comes across as such an arrogant prick. The antithesis to Tim. These are the same idiots who said that Pickett and Tyson were going to play Reggie Jackson and Justin Holiday out of the rotation before last season. It didn't happen so Booth had to get rid of them instead. I wouldn't be shocked if Booth still thinks Tyson is good. We didn't send him down with the rest of the scrubs. He's still with the Nugs even though we have two much better forwards (Cancar and Nnaji) who can't even get off the bench. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 1, 2024 15:47:22 GMT -5
I don't really pay attention to DNVR that much anymore as I don't really have the time to watch their post game shows...but how the f**k can they be saying or even suggesting that Malone is letting the front office down? Like....who are they saying that should be playing right now lmao? Or getting more playing time? The only guy it makes any sense to say that about is getting Strawther more involved in the offense. Malone > Calvin. Calvin just comes across as such an arrogant prick. The antithesis to Tim. These are the same idiots who said that Pickett and Tyson were going to play Reggie Jackson and Justin Holiday out of the rotation before last season. It didn't happen so Booth had to get rid of them instead. I wouldn't be shocked if Booth still thinks Tyson is good. We didn't send him down with the rest of the scrubs. He's still with the Nugs even though we have two much better forwards (Cancar and Nnaji) who can't even get off the bench. Zeke is better than Tyson? You’re coming around on him! 😂 |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 15:53:50 GMT -5
These are the same idiots who said that Pickett and Tyson were going to play Reggie Jackson and Justin Holiday out of the rotation before last season. It didn't happen so Booth had to get rid of them instead. I wouldn't be shocked if Booth still thinks Tyson is good. We didn't send him down with the rest of the scrubs. He's still with the Nugs even though we have two much better forwards (Cancar and Nnaji) who can't even get off the bench. Zeke is better than Tyson? You’re coming around on him! 😂 I have consistently said that Zeke has limited uses as an emergency defensive option. Tyson has no uses in any context. He is a stationary player who, if you give him a ridiculous volume of wide open shots (mostly in garbage time), will eventually shoot his way to close to 40% against G-League competition. Imagine the worst possible version of MPJ and that's Hunter Tyson. Lower basketball IQ, weaker, slower, doesn't play as hard, worse hands, worse handles, worse individual defense, worse man defense, and cannot make contested shots. |
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Post by game on Nov 1, 2024 15:55:07 GMT -5
I admittedly don't follow DNVR closely either. I heard them allude to Malone potentially being on the hotseat a few months back and I thought it was odd at the time because it kind of came out of nowhere after an offseason that you kind of hoped couldn't possibly be done given the state of the roster. They've done several shows with Booth and other front office members over the years, so it feels very much like they get a flow of info/positioning from them.
It's actually funny to look at Nuggets bloggers/podcasters, especially the ones who have press credentials, and how they're either not reacting at all to this or offering the most surface level reaction possible.
Kind of feels like they don't feel comfortable having a take. I'll be interested to see how it plays out, and how national media reacts to this. It's hard to have eyes and be like "yeah, if only Malone just played these guys we'd be good!" which is funny because fans usually act like small rotation tweaks or just playing so-and-so promising young guy will change everything.
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Post by rock on Nov 1, 2024 17:46:20 GMT -5
There was no way on earth that Booth wouldn’t have maxed MPJ when TC did. Stupid take That wasn't a TC decision and wouldn't have been a Booth decision either. Booth sucks. Honestly I think the biggest problem with Booth is everything he did Year 1 hit. The KCP trade was a home run. Christian Braun was a home run. Watson was a "wtf" pick but when he played you saw a ton of potential. Literally everything he did was good that year outside of the TB trade, but you can even argue that was a positive because Bones was hurting the locker room. After that he's done the following: Traded draft picks. Drafted Hunter Tyson. Drafted Jalen Pickett. Guaranteed their contracts. Re-signed a washed Reggie Jackson to the MLE with a player option. Used picks to get off the contract that he gave Reggie Jackson. Signed Westbrook. Signed Saric with a player option. So after Year 1 basically everything he has done has not only been disastrous but it has cost the team a ton of flexibility too. The guy simply wasn't ready to be a GM. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand Tim. But there's no way anyone could argue that Calvin was/is a better GM than Tim. It's not even close. I hated TC as a GM The only saving grace booth has is that he helped the nuggets win a title which means so much to me. It’s the only thing that is stopping me from putting booth in the same conversation as TC Otherwise I hate them both. Can’t wait until we spend the money to get a real GM |
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Post by rock on Nov 1, 2024 17:47:38 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42119134/nikola-jokic-shrinking-prime-disconnect-brewing-denver-nuggets-try-salvage-itNone of what I said matters because it's clear from reading this Booth is staying (even getting extended lololololol) and Malone is likely getting fired or agreeing to mutually part ways, after this season. It's very notable to me that all of Malone's comments are from his press availabilities and Booth is doing yet another profile piece that he's heavily involved in curating the image he wants for himself and this grand vision that Malone, bless his heart, tries his best to see but can't. But bless his heart, it's not his fault. He knows not what he does. I'm glad we have Christian Braun instead of Christian Braun and Josh Green or THJ, either of whom can shoot 3s, and Green can defend. And if you're worried that you'd be helping Dallas too much, then you must think KCP isn't washed and should just keep him instead! This is gross incompetence by the Kroenkes. They better get the ok from jokic if they fire malone I feel like that could be the thing that makes jokic ask for a trade |
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Post by Ring on Nov 1, 2024 18:20:05 GMT -5
I admittedly don't follow DNVR closely either. I heard them allude to Malone potentially being on the hotseat a few months back and I thought it was odd at the time because it kind of came out of nowhere after an offseason that you kind of hoped couldn't possibly be done given the state of the roster. They've done several shows with Booth and other front office members over the years, so it feels very much like they get a flow of info/positioning from them. It's actually funny to look at Nuggets bloggers/podcasters, especially the ones who have press credentials, and how they're either not reacting at all to this or offering the most surface level reaction possible. Kind of feels like they don't feel comfortable having a take. I'll be interested to see how it plays out, and how national media reacts to this. It's hard to have eyes and be like "yeah, if only Malone just played these guys we'd be good!" which is funny because fans usually act like small rotation tweaks or just playing so-and-so promising young guy will change everything. Honestly this is the issue with being a smaller market team where football is also the only sport that really matters. I like the DNVR guys. I like the Locked On guys. But none of them are actual journalists. They're fans of the team. So not only are they going to want relationships with the front office/team as it makes the value of their product better (having podcasts with GMs, coaches, etc) but they're also fans of the team and want that relationship for that reason too. |
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Post by famicommander on Nov 1, 2024 19:12:44 GMT -5
Even the people who work for Altitude do less shilling for the front office than the DNVR guys.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 3:32:54 GMT -5
That wasn't a TC decision and wouldn't have been a Booth decision either. Booth sucks. Honestly I think the biggest problem with Booth is everything he did Year 1 hit. The KCP trade was a home run. Christian Braun was a home run. Watson was a "wtf" pick but when he played you saw a ton of potential. Literally everything he did was good that year outside of the TB trade, but you can even argue that was a positive because Bones was hurting the locker room. After that he's done the following: Traded draft picks. Drafted Hunter Tyson. Drafted Jalen Pickett. Guaranteed their contracts. Re-signed a washed Reggie Jackson to the MLE with a player option. Used picks to get off the contract that he gave Reggie Jackson. Signed Westbrook. Signed Saric with a player option. So after Year 1 basically everything he has done has not only been disastrous but it has cost the team a ton of flexibility too. The guy simply wasn't ready to be a GM. And this is coming from someone who couldn't stand Tim. But there's no way anyone could argue that Calvin was/is a better GM than Tim. It's not even close. I hated TC as a GM The only saving grace booth has is that he helped the nuggets win a title which means so much to me. It’s the only thing that is stopping me from putting booth in the same conversation as TC Otherwise I hate them both. Can’t wait until we spend the money to get a real GM You are lying to yourself. TC built that team that won. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 3:34:27 GMT -5
I f***ing love reading MPJ say that EVERYONE knows they might break the team up if they dont win this year.
Like wasnt Booths whole plan to sacrifice rings in the short run to build a dynasty with THIS core? Remind me, what was the f***ing plan again.
Booth is just saying random s**t when the only real plan is to save money
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 3:37:18 GMT -5
Everyone here hates TC so much. Please tell me what year we should have won a ring while he was here?
TC didnt get a chance to win a ring here because the Kroenkes are cheap. Despite building one of the best cores ever built. Thank you Kroenkes and thank you Murray ACL
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Post by eathb on Nov 2, 2024 9:21:43 GMT -5
I do think if the Nuggets don't at least make the WCF, one of him or Malone need to go
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 2, 2024 9:33:50 GMT -5
Would be insane to lose Malone, BB, Green, KCP from the championship team and keep Booth
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Post by eathb on Nov 2, 2024 9:38:10 GMT -5
Would be insane to lose Malone, BB, Green, KCP from the championship team and keep Booth I do believe the apron is being used as an excuse for the Kroenkes being cheap but if it is what is capping us from upgrading the roster, the only thing we can do is change the coach and style we play. |
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Post by eathb on Nov 2, 2024 9:41:05 GMT -5
I mean we're chasing the Wolves right now.
Would the Wolves even be a top 6 team in the NBA?
This is the worst roster we've had in the MVP level Jokic seasons.
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Post by GBG on Nov 2, 2024 10:24:35 GMT -5
I mean we're chasing the Wolves right now. Would the Wolves even be a top 6 team in the NBA? This is the worst roster we've had in the MVP level Jokic seasons. Uh, no. It’s pretty clear the 2021/22 team that was missing Murray and MPJ, and was starting Austin Rivers and Facu was worse. Have you been paying the slightest bit of attention over this period? You write like a casual fan now. |
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