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Post by famicommander on Sept 1, 2024 14:28:34 GMT -5
Get over yourself. There is no chance in hell they "fire" Josh Kroenke. He's going to inherit the empire, he's our long haul owner for better or worse.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Sept 1, 2024 14:43:26 GMT -5
this whole thread just seems like postcount++
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Post by GBG on Sept 1, 2024 14:55:06 GMT -5
Close this thread and ban pie/tate burner in disguise. He’s an embarrassment to this forum.
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 1, 2024 15:40:31 GMT -5
People just can't be rational with Murray. They ignore that while Jokic is GOAT level during our championship run Murray played liked a HOFer. It was a Shaq/Kobe type run and not a average 2nd option performance. He is counted on to hit crucial shots and if you swapped him out as great as Jokic is your not even guaranteed that 1 ring.
That being said there's justified complaints. You can't just ignore the ACL injury. You can't just ignore him not being in the best shape. I've seen comments about how some Nuggets fans don't pay attention to the rest of the NBA but if you tried to compare Tatum/Luka/Brown's etc. performance in the playoffs this year to Murray's you'd get laughed out of the room. Yeah those guys bricked 3's and had their own flaws but outside of a few games Murray was awful. I'm not sure some realize how much he lives off tough shots. How he doesn't get to the FT line or rack up easy buckets. His TS% in the playoffs was .474. That's horrific. Tatum/Luka despite how poor they shot had TS% in the 54-55 range. Murray doesn't get the easy points alot of other star caliber players do.
Keeping Murray is a easy decision. No choice but to max him. If he plays poorly next year than it becomes interesting. You've lost two runs with Jokic because of Murray's injury. This year he was awful. If he hurts a 4th run? As someone who's been a huge Murray fan since before he was a Nugget and I was watching him at Kentucky ... I'd be fine with the Nuggets exploring their options. Unlikely to find a better option but Murray needs to figure it out and I have confidence he will.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Sept 1, 2024 16:42:41 GMT -5
His TS% in the playoffs was .474. That's horrific. Tatum/Luka despite how poor they shot had TS% in the 54-55 range. Murray doesn't get the easy points alot of other star caliber players do. Kyrie's TS% was .481 in the finals this year. Dame had 2 playoff years where his TS% was .491 and .471 (both first round exits.) KD .499 in his first year in the playoffs. Giannis had an incredible .425 TS% his first year in the playoffs. Kawhi this year was .474 in 2 games, same as Jamal. A lot of times a star player will have a series or two where they just can't hit. Sometimes it's due to a lingering injury. Sometimes it's a bad matchup. Sometimes fatigue. Jamal isn't the only really good player who has ever had a bad playoff run. It's not unfair to ask, after 2 playoffs missed with injury and another where he played very poorly, whether maybe there should be injury protections in his contract or something like that. But I don't think it makes sense to just straight up give up on him, as if he didn't have several games in the 2023 playoffs when he was the best player on the floor and he was sharing the floor with Joker and multiple HOFers from the other team. |
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 1, 2024 20:16:45 GMT -5
His TS% in the playoffs was .474. That's horrific. Tatum/Luka despite how poor they shot had TS% in the 54-55 range. Murray doesn't get the easy points alot of other star caliber players do. Kyrie's TS% was .481 in the finals this year. Dame had 2 playoff years where his TS% was .491 and .471 (both first round exits.) KD .499 in his first year in the playoffs. Giannis had an incredible .425 TS% his first year in the playoffs. Kawhi this year was .474 in 2 games, same as Jamal. A lot of times a star player will have a series or two where they just can't hit. Sometimes it's due to a lingering injury. Sometimes it's a bad matchup. Sometimes fatigue. Jamal isn't the only really good player who has ever had a bad playoff run. It's not unfair to ask, after 2 playoffs missed with injury and another where he played very poorly, whether maybe there should be injury protections in his contract or something like that. But I don't think it makes sense to just straight up give up on him, as if he didn't have several games in the 2023 playoffs when he was the best player on the floor and he was sharing the floor with Joker and multiple HOFers from the other team. What does a 20 year old Giannis or rookie KD have to do with anything I said? Were they not horrific as well? I used Tatum/Luka etc. because I saw them mentioned. I know other stars have played poorly in the playoffs before. We're Nugget fans you could have just used Melo his first 3 seasons or really most of his career lol Kyrie was awful in the Finals. Dame failed as a 1st option in Portland and I'd argue it's a much different situation than Murray was this year. Do you disagree that Murray lives off tough shots? Do you think he gets easy points like the players you mentioned? I never said Murray was the only player to have a bad playoff series. This is kinda what I'm talking about tho. I said his TS% was horrific, do you disagree? Yes I'm well aware Murray isn't the only star player to have a bad series but those players were critized? It was acknowledged with them? It feels like some people can't admit Murray wad bad without using excuses or trying to justify it. Just like some people forget previous runs or act like it's easy to replace him and that replacement doesn't have potential to play poorly. I agree with the rest. I'm not giving up on him. If it wasn't for the previous ACL injury I wouldn't even think about it for a few more years honestly. Unfortunately you can't just pretend those seasons don't exist. If Murray comes up short next season(which I wouldn't bet on it) that's 4 seasons where you've wasted Jokic. That matters. Using rookies playing poorly or stars who also performed poorly as 1st options doesn't really change my mind. I don't think you could list a single player that Jokic wouldn't make better. Jokic raises everyone's efficiency. Dame has a much better career if it's spent with Jokic. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Sept 1, 2024 20:54:00 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with you, just making the point that lots of star players have had bad playoff series, and it seems like a lot of people are presuming Jamal was somehow uniquely bad this season in a way that star players aren't and can never be. He was bad. Unquestionably. And plenty of other stars have been bad for whole postseasons. What that means for him going forward is ... not as cut-and-dried as the most vocal critics presume. Just like those who say the "real Jamal" is that 20-game stretch of the playoffs in 2023. We don't always get that. We won't always get the 2024 playoff Jamal. We have a large enough body of evidence to know that he can be a really, really good player, and it's hard to replace that, and hard to get that for less than the max, so I don't see a good argument for people saying "get rid of him" as if they have a realistic idea of a good player or players to get back who could get us back to the championship. I do see a good argument for injury protections in his contract though.
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Post by inyourmind on Sept 1, 2024 21:45:04 GMT -5
I'm not disagreeing with you, just making the point that lots of star players have had bad playoff series, and it seems like a lot of people are presuming Jamal was somehow uniquely bad this season in a way that star players aren't and can never be. He was bad. Unquestionably. And plenty of other stars have been bad for whole postseasons. What that means for him going forward is ... not as cut-and-dried as the most vocal critics presume. Just like those who say the "real Jamal" is that 20-game stretch of the playoffs in 2023. We don't always get that. We won't always get the 2024 playoff Jamal. We have a large enough body of evidence to know that he can be a really, really good player, and it's hard to replace that, and hard to get that for less than the max, so I don't see a good argument for people saying "get rid of him" as if they have a realistic idea of a good player or players to get back who could get us back to the championship. I do see a good argument for injury protections in his contract though. Fair enough. I think without the ACL injury he'd have more leeway but the reality is that was the 3rd playoffs where injury/fatigue etc. hurt the Nuggets during the Jokic window. He's not a rookie or a player being asked to be a 1st option. It's unfair to expect him to ever repeat the championship run but it's fair to have expectations of him playing 50-65 regular season games where he puts up 20ish/6ish and doesn't fall apart in the playoffs. If he performs poorly and you lose a 4th year than exploring other options becomes a perfectly reasonable ask. I think next season will be the most important season of Murray's career with the Nuggets. Realistically the FO never moves him but the next few seasons how he plays will decide alot about how the Jokic window is viewed. I'm personally a believer and think he bounces back. If Murray lays an egg next season it'll be hard to defend tho. I think giving him a pass for this year is abit delusional. Just like wanting him traded right now is irrational. |
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Post by pie on Sept 7, 2024 14:35:25 GMT -5
Jamal Murray contract
Fire Josh Kroenke
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Post by pie on Sept 27, 2024 9:58:18 GMT -5
Fire Josh Kroenke immediately
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Sept 27, 2024 9:59:29 GMT -5
don't bump threads that should have just been comments in the random thought thread in the first place.
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