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Post by Ring on Jul 16, 2024 20:44:52 GMT -5
tanking your SL performance in year 2 when you did nothing to establish yourself as a NBA player is a bad omen. I mean he's not an NBA player. This is why it was comical to me when Mares was going on and on about Pickett last summer league. Like you can just watch the guy play and see that he has no skill that translates to the NBA. He can't shoot, he's small, he's slow and he has a super high dribble. I genuinely feel really bad for Pickett. I don't think it's possible to look worse than he has looked in the SL. And I'm sure that's a confidence killer for a young guy just trying to make it in the NBA.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2024 8:19:41 GMT -5
I thought Andre Miller could salvage Jalen Pickett and turn him into something resembling a useful NBA player, but the opposite occurred.
Picket is turning 25. it's time to cut ties and try to salvage the offseason. Calvin, Pickett will never be half as good as Devonte Graham and Graham is waiting to be signed. this is the second offseason in a row I'm politely and respectfully asking you to just act like a normal GM.
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Post by game on Jul 17, 2024 10:04:31 GMT -5
Older rookies meaning more ready to play right away was a pretty amateur draft take that has been debunked forever. Far more likely those kids will be busts than ready to do anything right away. For some reason that theory is being treated like it's genius again, I guess because the new CBA fogged everybody's brain.
The logic is pretty damn easy - if you couldn't get off in college until you were 4, even 5, years older than other kids during a pretty prime physical development life stage, that should be a red flag. There are always exceptions, but it's pretty damn consistently the case.
There's a vast landscape between young projects and 5th year seniors who couldn't do anything for four years of college. Christian Braun and Strawther were at least only third year college kids, and both excelled on the biggest stage in college basketball, which shows something.
Second round picks are more likely to fail than succeed. Don't blame Booth for missing. They'll miss a lot, and he's still hitting more than he's missing in late first or second situations. That's admirable. But going all-in on these low success probability guys is the mistake.
Jalen Pickett, especially, was a mind boggling pick from the beginning. Drafting a 24 year old who somehow plays two decades older than even that is sure something.
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Post by scooter on Jul 17, 2024 10:45:04 GMT -5
The thing is — if Strawther turns out to be a good player, they’ll be beating the odds (and the team’s own non-lotto draft record during the Connelly years) by a very big margin just by hitting on Braun, Watson and Strawther. If 50% of your picks in the 20+ part of the draft are good, you’re doing well.
Anyone drafted in the 2nd round is more likely to be a failure at the NBA level than not. There are some “older rookie” NBA success stories including Derrick White, who turned 23 the week he was drafted. I don’t think the strategy was crazy given the Nuggets’ situation and how the FO had evaluated the new CBA payroll rules. But I never believed in Pickett because of that handle — it told me his hands were too slow.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 17, 2024 11:06:28 GMT -5
Older rookies meaning more ready to play right away was a pretty amateur draft take that has been debunked forever. Far more likely those kids will be busts than ready to do anything right away. For some reason that theory is being treated like it's genius again, I guess because the new CBA fogged everybody's brain. The logic is pretty damn easy - if you couldn't get off in college until you were 4, even 5, years older than other kids during a pretty prime physical development life stage, that should be a red flag. There are always exceptions, but it's pretty damn consistently the case. There's a vast landscape between young projects and 5th year seniors who couldn't do anything for four years of college. Christian Braun and Strawther were at least only third year college kids, and both excelled on the biggest stage in college basketball, which shows something. Second round picks are more likely to fail than succeed. Don't blame Booth for missing. They'll miss a lot, and he's still hitting more than he's missing in late first or second situations. That's admirable. But going all-in on these low success probability guys is the mistake. Jalen Pickett, especially, was a mind boggling pick from the beginning. Drafting a 24 year old who somehow plays two decades older than even that is sure something. Agree with everything. Will add that even tho drafting in the 2nd round is hard. It shouldnt be hard to find someone better than what Calvin managed. Finding players that can become rotation players is hard. Finding players that isnt complete garbage shouldnt be.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 17, 2024 11:08:16 GMT -5
The thing is — if Strawther turns out to be a good player, they’ll be beating the odds (and the team’s own non-lotto draft record during the Connelly years) by a very big margin just by hitting on Braun, Watson and Strawther. If 50% of your picks in the 20+ part of the draft are good, you’re doing well. Anyone drafted in the 2nd round is more likely to be a failure at the NBA level than not. There are some “older rookie” NBA success stories including Derrick White, who turned 23 the week he was drafted. I don’t think the strategy was crazy given the Nuggets’ situation and how the FO had evaluated the new CBA payroll rules. But I never believed in Pickett because of that handle — it told me his hands were too slow. There are different levels of failiure. Calvin draft floor should not be this low.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 17, 2024 11:43:35 GMT -5
Again, we need to move past the notion that people are only mad because they drafted Tyson and Pickett.
It was giving them both 3 year guaranteed deals with 1 year team options that was completely insane and unjustifiable.
That and the Zeke contract. I wouldn't have signed Zeke to a 1 year minimum, let alone 4 years guaranteed at over 8M per.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2024 11:46:33 GMT -5
1.8m this year and 2.2m next. club option on the third.
trade him into space or cut him. we can take the hit now that we replaced KCP with *checks notes* nobody.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 17, 2024 11:54:55 GMT -5
1.8m this year and 2.2m next. club option on the third. trade him into space or cut him. we can take the hit now that we replaced KCP with *checks notes* nobody. We can't have dead money for two years. Especially when it's not just Pickett that has to go. Tyson is every bit as bad of a player as Pickett. We spent assets to get Pickett. We spent assets to get Holmes. We spent assets to get rid of Reggie. We gave out ridiculously horrible contracts to Pickett, Tyson, and Nnaji. These last two offseasons have been unimaginably bad for Booth.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2024 12:00:55 GMT -5
it's less than a vet min contract. we're no longer a 2nd apron threat.
just free up his damn roster spot.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 17, 2024 12:13:05 GMT -5
it's less than a vet min contract. we're no longer a 2nd apron threat. just free up his damn roster spot. Again, it's not one. Anyone who still thinks Hunter Tyson belongs in this league is just as crazy as anyone who thinks Pickett does.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2024 12:20:33 GMT -5
Hunter has at least one "sellable" NBA skill you can pawn off to another team. so he can be a microscopic asset in a future deal. the equivalent of a heavily protected 2nd.
Pickett has no redeemable aspect in a trade. it would be for the best to move on right this instant and grab one of the few playable vets left from the scrap heap before it's too late.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 17, 2024 12:21:10 GMT -5
tanking your SL performance in year 2 when you did nothing to establish yourself as a NBA player is a bad omen. I mean he's not an NBA player. This is why it was comical to me when Mares was going on and on about Pickett last summer league. Like you can just watch the guy play and see that he has no skill that translates to the NBA. He can't shoot, he's small, he's slow and he has a super high dribble. I genuinely feel really bad for Pickett. I don't think it's possible to look worse than he has looked in the SL. And I'm sure that's a confidence killer for a young guy just trying to make it in the NBA. I never understood their love for Pickett. Like I've coached HS for 15+ years, 12 years AAU club coach, played or been around basketball for 30 years, and not sure how anyone eoth an iota, of basketball knowledge could look at Pickett and think he would help an NBA team. It really hurts their branding if either A) they're dishonest cause they don't want to hurt Booth/Front office feelings and just call them out OR B) They just have no clue. Either way not a good look for DNVR staff.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jul 17, 2024 12:23:10 GMT -5
Older rookies meaning more ready to play right away was a pretty amateur draft take that has been debunked forever. Far more likely those kids will be busts than ready to do anything right away. For some reason that theory is being treated like it's genius again, I guess because the new CBA fogged everybody's brain. The logic is pretty damn easy - if you couldn't get off in college until you were 4, even 5, years older than other kids during a pretty prime physical development life stage, that should be a red flag. There are always exceptions, but it's pretty damn consistently the case. There's a vast landscape between young projects and 5th year seniors who couldn't do anything for four years of college. Christian Braun and Strawther were at least only third year college kids, and both excelled on the biggest stage in college basketball, which shows something. Second round picks are more likely to fail than succeed. Don't blame Booth for missing. They'll miss a lot, and he's still hitting more than he's missing in late first or second situations. That's admirable. But going all-in on these low success probability guys is the mistake. Jalen Pickett, especially, was a mind boggling pick from the beginning. Drafting a 24 year old who somehow plays two decades older than even that is sure something. What's crazy as well is that many draft boards didn't even have Pickett bring drafted. He was a head scratcher from the beginning.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 17, 2024 12:25:06 GMT -5
Hunter has at least one "sellable" NBA skill you can pawn off to another team. so he can be a microscopic asset in a future deal. the equivalent of a heavily protected 2nd. Pickett has no redeemable aspect in a trade. it would be for the best to move on right this instant and grab one of the few playable vets left from the scrap heap before it's too late. Zero NBA teams are going to be stupid enough to give Hunter Tyson another shot after how he has looked the last two seasons. Tyson is every bit as bad of a player. Pickett has played worse in this particular Summer League but on the whole he's actually better than Tyson. I know this from watching both of their G-League seasons last year. Neither one of these guys would start in the NBL.
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Post by JB on Jul 17, 2024 12:32:02 GMT -5
nobody will be pouring over g-league tape over what would be a minor throw-in a trade deal.
Hunter is a legitimate 6'8 and can theoretically shoot. that is sellable. most GMs are not good at their job.
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Post by game on Jul 17, 2024 12:37:09 GMT -5
LOL. Dude. Holy hell. I feel like people agree with like 90% of your perspective, but you're so loud and aggressive about this weird last 10% minutia that it comes across like there isn't mostly agreement.
It's going to be okay. We are all (yes, even you) operating with a small portion of the knowledge of what's at play.
We have no clue where Calvin stands on these guys. He may not want to move off them like you do or I do.
These guys make no money. They're not immovable. Trades happen for lots of reasons. Of course their value is low, but you're way too stuck on your opinion of these guys and the you're using higher paid player logic to their tradability.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 17, 2024 12:38:42 GMT -5
nobody will be pouring over g-league tape over what would be a minor throw-in a trade deal. Hunter is a legitimate 6'8 and can theoretically shoot. that is sellable. most GMs are not good at their job. NBA GMs will look and see that his NBA shooting splits were trash last year and they'll know that his G-League shooting stats were smoke and mirrors. Literally all of his G-League games looked exactly like the first three Summer League games this year. Utterly worthless in every aspect except putting up shots in volume, and most games he doesn't even make those shots. Every fourth or fifth game he'll go 6/9 from 3 while hitting 3 of them in garbage time down 20, and that's how he salvaged his percentages. I watched Jack White and Braxton Key both play as 6'8" forwards over the last two years and both guys are drastically better players than Tyson. White had to go back to the NBL and I don't think Key is in camp anywhere. There are literally better dudes than Tyson for free, everywhere you look. He is an absolute disaster on the court on both ends.
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Post by scooter on Jul 17, 2024 13:02:05 GMT -5
Thing is — your obsession with this is just kinda poisoning the board. A thing you are overlooking is that non-NBA level basketball qualities are just as important as NBA level basketball qualities when it comes to the 12th-15th guys on the team. Are they knuckleheads getting in trouble off the court or being b*****es around the actual players? Are they complaining about playing time? Are they decent people to be around during the thousand hours these people are together when they are not playing an NBA game? Are they decent to the assistant coaches, the trainers, the front office personnel and the rest of the team staff? Do they work reasonably hard in practices, preseason, etc.? Do they show up on time?
The guys on rookie contracts make very little money and when it comes to deep bench players whether they are earning it is more about what they are doing when we cannot see.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 17, 2024 13:23:25 GMT -5
it's less than a vet min contract. we're no longer a 2nd apron threat. just free up his damn roster spot. It less then a vet min. Why would Kroenke spend more money than less?
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