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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 22:11:57 GMT -5
Alexander looking gassed out there, getting a bit sloppy
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 22:16:02 GMT -5
Raps have lost two guys to injury so far tonight but we still have Strawther in the game.
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Post by game on Jul 14, 2024 22:17:00 GMT -5
Summer League is incredibly irrelevant. This is not NBA basketball. Very little of it transfers to anything that matters. Strawther looking the part is basically the only thing that actually matters for the real team. Pickett, Tyson, two-ways are just not that big of a deal. If they're needed to play this year, the year went off the rails. You and I both know Pickett isn't going to be the backup PG, so I'm not going to invent fear that he is because the July 14th depth chart says he is. Even if we sign another PG (and I think we will), we're still one injury to Jamal (or old man Russ?) away from Pickett being out there. There are only 10 other spots besides the 5 we've already wasted. That's the concern. Murray/PG2 Braun/Strawther MPJ/Watson Gordon/Vlatko Jokic/Saric That's it. We cannot afford a single injury to that group because the 5 other guys are unplayable. And we don't even know who PG2 is yet. You can say "it's not a big deal" all you want but we ended up using 49/50 Gillespie games last year and we used 50/50 Davon Reed games a couple years prior. Downgrading the deep bench makes us a weaker regular season unit. Period. Five guys are not unplayable if there are injuries. Christ. Two of your five unplayable guys were literally just fine in exactly that spot last year, and in Zeke's case, he played more than injury replacement minutes. One of the five is a guy who is out for the season, so sure. He is unplayable. If you got to the point of having to rely on Pickett for longer than a couple games, you'd probably see a move made. Tyson I still kind of think in an NBA setting and not a messy ass pickup setting where nobody is actually running the offense, could be used as a shooter. He's trying to play way outside of what his actual NBA role would be in these games, to poor results.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 22:20:29 GMT -5
Even if we sign another PG (and I think we will), we're still one injury to Jamal (or old man Russ?) away from Pickett being out there. There are only 10 other spots besides the 5 we've already wasted. That's the concern. Murray/PG2 Braun/Strawther MPJ/Watson Gordon/Vlatko Jokic/Saric That's it. We cannot afford a single injury to that group because the 5 other guys are unplayable. And we don't even know who PG2 is yet. You can say "it's not a big deal" all you want but we ended up using 49/50 Gillespie games last year and we used 50/50 Davon Reed games a couple years prior. Downgrading the deep bench makes us a weaker regular season unit. Period. Five guys are not unplayable if there are injuries. Christ. Two of your five unplayable guys literally played last year and were fine in backup roles (Zeke) or injury fill-in roles (Jordan). You don't get to say they're unplayable if you have injuries when they're clearly not. One of the five is a guy who is out for the season, so sure. He is unplayable. If you got to the point of having to rely on Pickett for longer than a couple games, you'd probably see a move made. Tyson I still kind of think in an NBA setting and not a messy ass pickup setting where nobody is actually running the offense, could be used as a shooter. He's trying to play way outside of what his actual NBA role would be in these games, to poor results. DJ was unplayable last year and he's another year older. Zeke has been unplayable for years. What team have you been watching? The unplayability of those two is why AG has had to eat so many 2C minutes these last few years. And why we made a wasteful deal for Bryant. And why we went out and got Saric and drafted Holmes. Pickett is unplayable, Tyson is unplayable, and Holmes is out for the season.
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jul 14, 2024 22:22:02 GMT -5
jeez Tyson is almost unplayable against summer league talent.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 22:28:17 GMT -5
jeez Tyson is almost unplayable against summer league talent. This is the Tyson I was watching all season last year in the G-League, except he wasn't playing this hard. Sometimes he'd shoot 6/9 from 3, sometimes he'd shoot 1/11 from 3. That's the only variance in his game.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jul 14, 2024 22:37:19 GMT -5
Nice 10-0 run to tie it back up. Strawther has been great and Alexander is definitely an NBA player.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 22:42:13 GMT -5
Roster player thoughts
Strawther - seen enough, for the love of god don't play him in any more Summer games. Alexander - noticeably gassed out late in this game but very, very solid overall. encouraging start. Hall - drastic improvement over last game. not sure he has NBA ability but we asked for him to play more under control tonight and he absolutely did it Pickett - disaster Tyson - disaster
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Post by game on Jul 14, 2024 22:51:22 GMT -5
Five guys are not unplayable if there are injuries. Christ. Two of your five unplayable guys literally played last year and were fine in backup roles (Zeke) or injury fill-in roles (Jordan). You don't get to say they're unplayable if you have injuries when they're clearly not. One of the five is a guy who is out for the season, so sure. He is unplayable. If you got to the point of having to rely on Pickett for longer than a couple games, you'd probably see a move made. Tyson I still kind of think in an NBA setting and not a messy ass pickup setting where nobody is actually running the offense, could be used as a shooter. He's trying to play way outside of what his actual NBA role would be in these games, to poor results. DJ was unplayable last year and he's another year older. Zeke has been unplayable for years. What team have you been watching? The unplayability of those two is why AG has had to eat so many 2C minutes these last few years. And why we made a wasteful deal for Bryant. And why we went out and got Saric and drafted Holmes. Pickett is unplayable, Tyson is unplayable, and Holmes is out for the season. Holy hell this is some meandering stuff. Brother, I feel like I'm talking to somebody who uses the word "epic" to describe every mundane thing that happens to them, and all meaning of the word is just gone. Your drive to work where Not Like Us came on the radio was not "epic". It sounds like a drive to work and a cool song. Stop calling it epic. Two guys who played last year at different times are not unplayable just because their upside is not high or you don't like them. Unplayable may describe Jalen Pickett given what is asked of a point guard. I'm not a Hunter Tyson guy, but in a real setting, he's a pure shooter. Not sure what they're having him do in Summer League. He's never going to be more than a shooter, at best. Not ready to say he's unplayable, though, given what his role would be if called upon. Yes, a guy out with an achilles is unplayable. Congrats. You can have that one. It doesn't describe two guys who literally f***ing played last year in a 57 win season when called upon. And if the litmus test for unplayable is the team trying to improve upon them, or Malone overplaying an Aaron Gordon level starter over them, everybody on the roster outside of like 2-4 guys are unplayable.
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Post by game on Jul 14, 2024 23:00:14 GMT -5
I feel like there's plenty of room to exercise concern over the roster construction. I've done it plenty. Guys 11-15 on an NBA roster are either dart throws or pretty low upside guys. Two-ways are two-ways. Hopefully you hit here and there, but mostly, they're never getting above a two-way.
I would like to replace a few of these guys (taster's choice) with vets who could be playoff fill-ins if needed. I think he has too many draft dart throws for a title team, and they're way too skewed towards bigs.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 23:02:31 GMT -5
DJ was unplayable last year and he's another year older. Zeke has been unplayable for years. What team have you been watching? The unplayability of those two is why AG has had to eat so many 2C minutes these last few years. And why we made a wasteful deal for Bryant. And why we went out and got Saric and drafted Holmes. Pickett is unplayable, Tyson is unplayable, and Holmes is out for the season. Holy hell this is some meandering stuff. Brother, I feel like I'm talking to somebody who uses the word "epic" to describe every mundane thing that happens to them, and all meaning of the word is just gone. Your drive to work where Not Like Us came on the radio was not "epic". It sounds like a drive to work and a cool song. Stop calling it epic. Unplayable may describe Jalen Pickett given what is asked of a point guard. It certainly describes a guy out with an achilles. It doesn't describe two guys who literally f***ing played last year in a 57 win season when called upon. And if the litmus test for unplayable is the team trying to improve upon them, or Malone overplaying an Aaron Gordon level starter over them, everybody on the roster outside of like 2-4 guys are unplayable. You're utterly delusional. You're confusing the fact that we literally had no choice but to play these bums last year with them being "playable" NBA players. Jokic being able to drag these corpses to a decent record is not an endorsement of their abilities. Pickett played 27 games last year and it wasn't because he was "playable". It's because we had to sleep in the bed we s**t with our bad roster construction. The same is true for Zeke and Jordan last year. Zeke and Jordan's play last year is literally why our whole offseason was spent getting Saric, getting Holmes, and bringing back Vlatko. So we don't end up with those guys on the court again next year, because they're UNPLAYABLE.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 14, 2024 23:22:16 GMT -5
Championship guard depth: Murray, KCP, Brown, Braun, Reggie, Ish Last year's guard depth: Murray, KCP, Braun, Reggie, Holiday, Strawther, (Gillespie), Pickett This year's guard depth: Murray, Braun, Strawther, Pickett, (Alexander)
Yeah, this is fine. We're totally prepared to weather 20 missed 'Mal games, right? Get any available vet minimum PG and we're still paper thin. Strawther only played 50 games last year but let's pencil him in for a CB-like ironman season, what could go wrong?
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Post by inyourmind on Jul 15, 2024 0:03:01 GMT -5
Championship guard depth: Murray, KCP, Brown, Braun, Reggie, Ish Last year's guard depth: Murray, KCP, Braun, Reggie, Holiday, Strawther, (Gillespie), Pickett This year's guard depth: Murray, Braun, Strawther, Pickett, (Alexander) Yeah, this is fine. We're totally prepared to weather 20 missed 'Mal games, right? Get any available vet minimum PG and we're still paper thin. Strawther only played 50 games last year but let's pencil him in for a CB-like ironman season, what could go wrong? I think you overvalue the deeper roster spots. The year we won the championship Cancar, DJ, Green, Zeke etc. all started regular season games. We won 57 games last year with Zeke playing 500+ minutes. It won't really be a big deal if a guy like Pickett has to log irrelevant minutes in January. Injuries happen and it's impossible for the Nuggets with our cap situation to avoid any ugly rotation minutes at this point. We know at some point it's coming when guys get hurt. It shouldn't be a defining part of the season at all unless it comes in the playoffs. I'm far more worried about Strawther/CB/Saric etc. than I am about players who will have no business being in the playoff rotation. Strawther needing to be a key piece off the bench is a bigger step/more important than injury insurance/spot minutes in the regular season. CB needing to become a plus starter is more crucial than a back up's backup. If multiple guards go down the Nuggets are fucked and will need to make moves obviously. Nuggets need to add another guard in case CB/Strawther aren't up to the task .. not because of Pickett or to replace Holiday or Ish Smith.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 15, 2024 0:15:56 GMT -5
Championship guard depth: Murray, KCP, Brown, Braun, Reggie, Ish Last year's guard depth: Murray, KCP, Braun, Reggie, Holiday, Strawther, (Gillespie), Pickett This year's guard depth: Murray, Braun, Strawther, Pickett, (Alexander) Yeah, this is fine. We're totally prepared to weather 20 missed 'Mal games, right? Get any available vet minimum PG and we're still paper thin. Strawther only played 50 games last year but let's pencil him in for a CB-like ironman season, what could go wrong? I think you overvalue the deeper roster spots. The year we won the championship Cancar, DJ, Green, Zeke etc. all started regular season games. We won 57 games last year with Zeke playing 500+ minutes. It won't really be a big deal if a guy like Pickett has to log irrelevant minutes in January. Injuries happen and it's impossible for the Nuggets with our cap situation to avoid any ugly rotation minutes at this point. We know at some point it's coming when guys get hurt/get injured. It shouldn't be a defining part of the season at all unless it comes in the playoffs. I'm far more worried about Strawther/CB/Saric etc. than I am about players who will have no business being in the playoff rotation. Strawther needing to be a key piece off the bench is a bigger step/more important than injury insurance/spot minutes in the regular season. CB needing to become a plus starter is more crucial than a back up's backup. If multiple guards go down the Nuggets are fucked and will need to make moves obviously. Nuggets need to add another guard in case CB/Strawther aren't up to the task .. not because of Pickett or to replace Holiday or Ish Smith. We literally missed the 1 seed by 1 game last year and Pickett played disastrous basketball in meaningful early season games in Murray's absence. Ish Smith played 43 games our championship year and Davon freaking Reed played 48 games the year prior. The objective is not to win some arbitrary total of regular season games and nope out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. We're in win now mode because we're in the middle of the peak of one of the greatest basketball players who ever lived. Reggie Jackson played 82 freaking games for us last year, KCP played 76, and Holiday played 58. And right now we've replaced them with NOBODY and we have 1 open roster spot to do the job.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 15, 2024 0:36:55 GMT -5
I think some people are confused because they been wanting us ti to trade dept for talent for years.
Thing is in our situation we just lost dept and didnt get any talent back. No 2 for 1 trade. Just ass being promited within
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Post by inyourmind on Jul 15, 2024 0:37:03 GMT -5
I think you overvalue the deeper roster spots. The year we won the championship Cancar, DJ, Green, Zeke etc. all started regular season games. We won 57 games last year with Zeke playing 500+ minutes. It won't really be a big deal if a guy like Pickett has to log irrelevant minutes in January. Injuries happen and it's impossible for the Nuggets with our cap situation to avoid any ugly rotation minutes at this point. We know at some point it's coming when guys get hurt/get injured. It shouldn't be a defining part of the season at all unless it comes in the playoffs. I'm far more worried about Strawther/CB/Saric etc. than I am about players who will have no business being in the playoff rotation. Strawther needing to be a key piece off the bench is a bigger step/more important than injury insurance/spot minutes in the regular season. CB needing to become a plus starter is more crucial than a back up's backup. If multiple guards go down the Nuggets are fucked and will need to make moves obviously. Nuggets need to add another guard in case CB/Strawther aren't up to the task .. not because of Pickett or to replace Holiday or Ish Smith. We literally missed the 1 seed by 1 game last year and Pickett played disastrous basketball in meaningful early season games in Murray's absence. Ish Smith played 43 games our championship year and Davon freaking Reed played 48 games the year prior. The objective is not to win some arbitrary total of regular season games and nope out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. We're in win now mode because we're in the middle of the peak of one of the greatest basketball players who ever lived. Reggie Jackson played 82 freaking games for us last year, KCP played 76, and Holiday played 58. And right now we've replaced them with NOBODY and we have 1 open roster spot to do the job. I just don't think those minutes were the reason why. Just look at the Spurs game. I could pick a bunch of games where the starters mailing it in had a bigger impact on our W's/L's than any minute Pickett played. He's awful. Our deep depth/injury insurance is bad. It'll be annoying as f**k to watch but ultimately won't decide anything. I guess that's where my disagreement is. Pickett played 122 minutes last year. He had zero impact either way. Was just annoying to watch because of how much he sucks. If anything the fans were the only ones who suffered. It's pretty obvious CB is the KCP replacement. Strawther is the CB replacement and Watson is going to eat more minutes and get an elevated role compared to last year. They'll get creative with lineups if they don't add another legit NBA PG. They need to add another guard/really any NBA talent but not because of Pickett or anyone that deep on the roster but because of Watson/CB/Strawther. I actually like all 3 players and can see the potential and it might work out but that's where my frustration is. It's a cocky move. Just reckless when you have a player like Jokic. If the Nuggets season derails next year it'll be because 1 or 2 or even all 3 don't take another step. Not because of the guys deep on the roster.
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Post by famicommander on Jul 15, 2024 0:47:15 GMT -5
We literally missed the 1 seed by 1 game last year and Pickett played disastrous basketball in meaningful early season games in Murray's absence. Ish Smith played 43 games our championship year and Davon freaking Reed played 48 games the year prior. The objective is not to win some arbitrary total of regular season games and nope out in the 1st or 2nd round of the playoffs. We're in win now mode because we're in the middle of the peak of one of the greatest basketball players who ever lived. Reggie Jackson played 82 freaking games for us last year, KCP played 76, and Holiday played 58. And right now we've replaced them with NOBODY and we have 1 open roster spot to do the job. I just don't think those minutes were the reason why. Just look at the Spurs game. I could pick a bunch of games where the starters mailing it in had a bigger impact on our W's/L's than any minute Pickett played. He's awful. Our deep depth/injury insurance is bad. It'll be annoying as f**k to watch but ultimately won't decide anything. I guess that's where my disagreement is. Pickett played 122 minutes last year. He had zero impact either way. Was just annoying to watch because of how much he sucks. If anything the fans were the only ones who suffered. It's pretty obvious CB is the KCP replacement. Strawther is the CB replacement and Watson is going to eat more minutes and get an elevated role compared to last year. They'll get creative with lineups if they don't add another legit NBA PG. They need to add another guard/really any NBA talent but not because of Pickett or anyone that deep on the roster but because of Watson/CB/Strawther. I actually like all 3 players and can see the potential and it might work out but that's where my frustration is. It's a cocky move. Just reckless when you have a player like Jokic. If the Nuggets season derails next year it'll be because 1 or 2 or even all 3 don't take another step. Not because of the guys deep on the roster. You literally watched this team limp to the barn trying to play CB and Kenny at the 1 last season because Reggie was hobbled and Murray was out. Gillespie was up against the 50 game limitation and Pickett was unplayable and we were competing for the 1 seed. Let me break this down more simply. Last year's guards by games played Braun - 82 (returning) Reggie - 82 (not replaced yet) KCP - 76 (not replaced) Murray - 59 (returning) Holiday - 58 (not replaced) Strawther - 50 (returning) Pickett - 27 (returning) Gillespie - 24 (active for 49 because they were terrified to even have Pickett be PG3) (replaced by Alexander) Again, who the hell replaces the Braun, Strawther, and Holiday minutes from last year? What the hell happens when Murray gets hurt for a month? What if we lose two guards at the same time? Peyton Watson can't fix this. Peyton Watson has to play forward for this team. Because Zeke is not an NBA forward, Holmes is hurt, and Tyson is Tyson.
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Post by inyourmind on Jul 15, 2024 1:12:53 GMT -5
I just don't think those minutes were the reason why. Just look at the Spurs game. I could pick a bunch of games where the starters mailing it in had a bigger impact on our W's/L's than any minute Pickett played. He's awful. Our deep depth/injury insurance is bad. It'll be annoying as f**k to watch but ultimately won't decide anything. I guess that's where my disagreement is. Pickett played 122 minutes last year. He had zero impact either way. Was just annoying to watch because of how much he sucks. If anything the fans were the only ones who suffered. It's pretty obvious CB is the KCP replacement. Strawther is the CB replacement and Watson is going to eat more minutes and get an elevated role compared to last year. They'll get creative with lineups if they don't add another legit NBA PG. They need to add another guard/really any NBA talent but not because of Pickett or anyone that deep on the roster but because of Watson/CB/Strawther. I actually like all 3 players and can see the potential and it might work out but that's where my frustration is. It's a cocky move. Just reckless when you have a player like Jokic. If the Nuggets season derails next year it'll be because 1 or 2 or even all 3 don't take another step. Not because of the guys deep on the roster. You literally watched this team limp to the barn trying to play CB and Kenny at the 1 last season because Reggie was hobbled and Murray was out. Gillespie was up against the 50 game limitation and Pickett was unplayable and we were competing for the 1 seed. Let me break this down more simply. Last year's guards by games played Braun - 82 (returning) Reggie - 82 (not replaced yet) KCP - 76 (not replaced) Murray - 59 (returning) Holiday - 58 (not replaced) Strawther - 50 (returning) Pickett - 27 (returning) Gillespie - 24 (active for 49 because they were terrified to even have Pickett be PG3) (replaced by Alexander) Again, who the hell replaces the Braun, Strawther, and Holiday minutes from last year? What the hell happens when Murray gets hurt for a month? What if we lose two guards at the same time? Peyton Watson can't fix this. Peyton Watson has to play forward for this team. Because Zeke is not an NBA forward, Holmes is hurt, and Tyson is Tyson. Your just greatly overvaluing the deeper depth. Nuggets get the 1 seed if they don't fall apart mentally vs the Spurs(lol theme of the season). KCP played 2400 MPG and CB 1600ish. That flips with CB likely playing even more than KCP last season. Strawther/Watson played 1488/545 minutes and both are going to see a big increase. Nuggets had 7 players average 20 or more MPG last year. I don't care who plays 9-11 MPG. Nuggets will get creative with how they stagger lineups and where they put players. CB played a ton of SF last year and Watson will take those minutes I'd guess. It's the regular season. KCP ate a very small amount of minutes at PG for irrelevant stretches. You'll for sure see some stupid s**t for small 3-5 minute stretches when injuries hit in the regular season. If Watson/CB/Strawther all take off than the Nuggets will be fine. Maybe you'll lose a few more games this season because of injuries but on a random November game Jokic will decide that far more than whatever shitty player is filling in. The Nuggets have an 8 man playoff rotation right now of Murray/CB/MPJ/Gordon/Jokic with Saric/Strawther/Watson off the bench. That's the risk. That's where the frustration is. Were betting on a bench player becoming a starting 2, and two guys who haven't fully broke out yet to be legitimate rotation pieces. I don't care about the end of the bench players because they can't ever solve those problems. Keeping KCP, an MPJ trade etc. to figure out the starting 2 spot/along with the 6th-8th man situation is where the real debate is. Having better options than Pickett? Who cares because if the Nuggets bet loses it never would have mattered. Nuggets criticism is justified right now but not because of who we'll shuffle between the G-League and the NBA. Nuggets need to add 1 more NBA caliber player(should 100% be a PG) that can give them 10-15 MPG. Just give themselves some insurance with all the risk their taking betting on their own prospects. Give me 9 legitimate NBA players.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 15, 2024 1:15:58 GMT -5
We at a point where people cope so hard they WANT us to not have dept and only 9 NBA players. Wow
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Post by famicommander on Jul 15, 2024 1:28:53 GMT -5
We at a point where people cope so hard they WANT us to not have dept and only 9 NBA players. Wow The Calvin Booth plan: -SAVE US VLATKO -maybe the worst dude from our G-League squad last year will suddenly start knocking down 3s like Steph Curry? The much better plan: -ship out the picks required to dump Zeke, Tyson, and Pickett even if we have to spend our last 1st and buy some 2nds -replace those dudes and our 1 open roster spot with some vet minimum dudes like Westbrook, Justin Holiday, Seth Curry, etc. Not sure who's out there at the 3/4 but they have to be better than Tyson. Depending on who we get we can slide Vlatko around to the opposite depth forward spot.
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