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Post by GBG on May 4, 2024 21:42:59 GMT -5
We need a real 6th man next season, and a real backup C. Two different players needed, IMO. Can we get both with Zeke, a combination of young players and draft capital when we are already in 2nd apron on July 1st? Seems a tall task, to say the least! Probably not, since I don't think you can aggregate salaries together anymore. It's so hard to build a perennial title team now with these new rules, unless you get really lucky with late draft picks and vet minimum signings. Agreed, and what makes things more challenging is if KCP opts out and leaves in free agency. I wouldn’t automatically assume he’s coming back. Hope he does, but if he bolts then CB becomes his replacement in starting lineup, making our bench even weaker. At that point, we’d have to see Strawther become a credible rotation guy, and then one of Tyson or Pickett (more likely Tyson) to be capable of contributing. One guy I forgot about is Cancar. He can’t be a backup big, but he could help us immensely. This summer will be a difficult one for Booth to get right.
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Post by Ring on May 4, 2024 21:52:08 GMT -5
Jokic was awful defensively, wasn't great on the glass, turned the ball over like crazy, and missed hittable shots. Murray actively hurt the team in the 1st half. We spotted Minny a 10 point lead. Yet we still had a chance to win the game. That's really the only positives you can take away. You could make the argument that our bench minutes/3 point shooting will likely regress tho. How was Jokic bad defensively lol. He guarded Gobert all the time. This was max you'd get from Jokic defensively when he needs to take the scoring load like tonight. I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11.
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Post by aepps22 on May 4, 2024 22:17:16 GMT -5
How was Jokic bad defensively lol. He guarded Gobert all the time. This was max you'd get from Jokic defensively when he needs to take the scoring load like tonight. I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11. His help defense especially on the Reid baseline drive and his boxing out on the Reid put back wasn’t great. This was one of Jokic’s weaker defensive performances. With that said, the Nuggets have to make the Wolves become a half court team on offense. The 20+ points off turnovers won’t get it done. Ant is amazing but their half court offense isn’t incredibly impressive. Many of the back breaking shots were at the end of the shot clock which is encouraging but frustrating
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Post by GBG on May 4, 2024 22:18:02 GMT -5
How was Jokic bad defensively lol. He guarded Gobert all the time. This was max you'd get from Jokic defensively when he needs to take the scoring load like tonight. I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11. The thing that must change is rebounding. We lost the board game, 42-34. Jokic with only 8 rebounds, AG with only 3, and MPJ with just 6. This is where Minny’s length and physicality bothers us. We will lose series if we get outrebounded like this in most games.
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Post by Ring on May 4, 2024 22:25:36 GMT -5
I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11. His help defense especially on the Reid baseline drive and his boxing out on the Reid put back wasn’t great. This was one of Jokic’s weaker defensive performances. With that said, the Nuggets have to make the Wolves become a half court team on offense. The 20+ points off turnovers won’t get it done. Ant is amazing but their half court offense isn’t incredibly impressive. Many of the back breaking shots were at the end of the shot clock which is encouraging but frustrating I put that baseline drive on AG much more than I put it on Jokic. He was late to help but no way you should get beat like that with the baseline help. The putback was partially bad luck. I mean Reid ran in from the 3 point line. Other guys need to put a body on him.
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Post by sawyeral on May 4, 2024 23:49:18 GMT -5
I felt like we’d learn a lot early in this game. Its become clear to me that this team is not healthy and not as connected as they were this time last year. These Wolves are the toughest opponent they’ve faced the past 2 post seasons. They need health and peak performance to beat them…and I just don’t see it.
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Post by freakns on May 5, 2024 0:01:35 GMT -5
You guys know I'm always optimist. But, after 6 games into this post season, I don't think Nuggets have it.
Jamal is not right. That injury after all star break definitely was much worse then we thought. Plus, Jokic is not Jokic from last year. Some of it is on Jamal's poor play cause that 2 man game is not where we need it to be. We beat Lakers cause AG and MPJ has been playing great. Against Minnesota that is not gonna be enough. We got excellent game from Reggie, CB and to my astonishment, Justin Holiday. The one part we thought Minnesota has advantage, the bench, we totally outplay them. And that is the problem, starters were ineffective.
Unless Jamal finds health elixir or MPJ goes bonkers and start scoring 35 per game, not sure how we can turn this one in our favor.
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Post by inyourmind on May 5, 2024 0:13:22 GMT -5
Jokic was awful defensively, wasn't great on the glass, turned the ball over like crazy, and missed hittable shots. Murray actively hurt the team in the 1st half. We spotted Minny a 10 point lead. Yet we still had a chance to win the game. That's really the only positives you can take away. You could make the argument that our bench minutes/3 point shooting will likely regress tho. How was Jokic bad defensively lol. He guarded Gobert all the time. This was max you'd get from Jokic defensively when he needs to take the scoring load like tonight. Thought his help defence was pretty poor tonight and he just looked less engaged on that end. Really showed on the glass as well. Jokic has no lift around the basket and it's unfair and unrealistic to expect him to be a rim protector obviously but at the end of the day he's still a C and he needs to atleast make players think a little near the rim. It was the most underrated aspect of his game last year IMO. He was lights out just putting in that extra effort to try and bother a shot. In this series he's going to be able to cheat defensively at times and he needs to pick his spots better than he did in this game IMO. I do worry fatigue has set in a little bit this year after the deep run last season. Shows in his 3 point shooting/defensive effort.
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Post by inyourmind on May 5, 2024 0:33:30 GMT -5
If I was a Wolves fan I'd absolutely be pounding the table that Denver was bound to regress. That Murray turning into an All-Time great HOFer in the playoffs isn't sustainable. That maybe Jokic isn't someone who's going to threaten to be a top 5-10 player of all-time and that the advanced stats aren't as concrete in a sport like basketball as they are in baseball. That due to his lack of rim protection/defense he and ANT aren't as far apart as the trophy case currently looks.
Trying to look at it without bias what Murray did last playoffs was ridiculous. Playoff Murray exists and will show up but the consistency is unlikely to look like it did during that championship run. I do think however Jokic is very much a top 10 talent to play the game and if he has some gas left in the tank than this series is far from over. He's just able to impact the game in so many ways. ANT is amazing. He's going to pop off. He likely won't s**t the bed like Booker did last year in game 6 or Mitchell in game 7 in the bubble. It won't be the first time we've seen historic s**t from an opposing guard tho. That's nothing new. We know with how were built that can happen.
If we get L.A/game 1 Jokic/Murray than yeah this will be pretty quick.
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 5, 2024 2:01:17 GMT -5
What’s your game plan, basketball expert? I plan to attempt to impress a group of strangers on the internet by informing them that I watched the World Cup. Then I plan to go on a sad racist tirade and become a broken shell of a man crying all over my keyboard because I'm mad at and afraid of the changing world around me. Oh wait, you beat me to it. Well… the world champions didn’t get their ass kicked by Anthony Edwards (who you, the basketball expert, consider a b-team player on team USA)
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 5, 2024 2:59:08 GMT -5
We need a real 6th man next season, and a real backup C. Two different players needed, IMO. Can we get both with Zeke, a combination of young players and draft capital when we are already in 2nd apron on July 1st? Seems a tall task, to say the least! Probably not, since I don't think you can aggregate salaries together anymore. It's so hard to build a perennial title team now with these new rules, unless you get really lucky with late draft picks and vet minimum signings. Is it THAT hard or did Calvin just waste an MLE on Reggie?
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 5, 2024 3:01:56 GMT -5
If they let KCP go i might fly to Denver to slap Calvin in the face
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 5, 2024 3:06:07 GMT -5
take a lap Erik. the energy of this team is off. the lack of bench has finally caught up to them, physically and mentally. the tank is empty. I dont want to lap this. I never wanted TC to go to a rival Calvin better deliver on his «id rather build a dynasty plan». Because this season was another great opportunity.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 5, 2024 6:26:32 GMT -5
I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11. His help defense especially on the Reid baseline drive and his boxing out on the Reid put back wasn’t great. This was one of Jokic’s weaker defensive performances. With that said, the Nuggets have to make the Wolves become a half court team on offense. The 20+ points off turnovers won’t get it done. Ant is amazing but their half court offense isn’t incredibly impressive. Many of the back breaking shots were at the end of the shot clock which is encouraging but frustrating You can't put the Reid boxout on Jokic cause he wasn't Jokic man and Reid came flying in from the perimeter. Jokic had no idea he was even in vicinity.
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Post by passtheballquick on May 5, 2024 7:55:14 GMT -5
How was Jokic bad defensively lol. He guarded Gobert all the time. This was max you'd get from Jokic defensively when he needs to take the scoring load like tonight. I actually thought Jokic was pretty good defensively. The issue was that Gobert beat him defensively. Jokic shot under 50% and had 7 turnovers. You can't win when he has a game that poorly. Jokics levels were really good too. Murray was really bad defensively and KCP simply can't guard Ant. MPJ/Gordon/Jokic did a pretty good job. Funny thing is Murray scored 0 in the 1H and the Nuggets were up. He scored 17 in the 2H (on 6-9 shooting) and the Nuggets lost the half by 11. It's not that Gobert beat him defensively it's the tired legs. I was afraid of this scenario since the end of RS as imo seeding didn't matter this year. We had top 4 sealed 2 weeks before the end and we should have started resting all starters. Jokic missed 6 wide open 3's and one semi contested 3. He missed 5-6 step back jumpers from 3ft away (all easy shots), 7TO's all point to tired legs unfortunately.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on May 5, 2024 10:41:41 GMT -5
Ran into Scott Hastings on the way out of the arena, in the elevator. He is in fact quite tall. He also commented that the Nuggets are like 0-lots this season when scoring under 100. Offense was a mess, and that's concerning against such a good defense.
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Post by Ring on May 5, 2024 11:28:20 GMT -5
Ran into Scott Hastings on the way out of the arena, in the elevator. He is in fact quite tall. He also commented that the Nuggets are like 0-lots this season when scoring under 100. Offense was a mess, and that's concerning against such a good defense. Offense was atrocious against the Lakers all series long too. Nuggets rely on the 2 man game way too much and both LA and Minny are doing a good job of defending it, especially to start games. Nuggets are forcing way too much of it. Run some DHOs with KCP and MPJ. Run some double drags. It’s a very predictable and boring offense right now. Also Jokic simply has to live in the post in this series. You have to get Gobert in foul trouble.
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Post by jimijam28 on May 5, 2024 11:52:47 GMT -5
Malone one trick pony offense, teams are starting to figure it out
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Post by GBG on May 5, 2024 11:57:11 GMT -5
Ran into Scott Hastings on the way out of the arena, in the elevator. He is in fact quite tall. He also commented that the Nuggets are like 0-lots this season when scoring under 100. Offense was a mess, and that's concerning against such a good defense. Offense was atrocious against the Lakers all series long too. Nuggets rely on the 2 man game way too much and both LA and Minny are doing a good job of defending it, especially to start games. Nuggets are forcing way too much of it. Run some DHOs with KCP and MPJ. Run some double drags. It’s a very predictable and boring offense right now. Also Jokic simply has to live in the post in this series. You have to get Gobert in foul trouble. We should have played downhill more. Seemed we were playing uphill, and they were the downhill skiers in Colorado! Jokic taking 9 3’s is about 6 too many! Let’s see if Malone, Jokic, and Murray make the needed adjustments tomorrow night. If not and we lose again, series isn’t over but it’s close. Don’t forget we came back from 1-3 twice in Bubble.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 5, 2024 12:53:26 GMT -5
Go look at Jokic stats last year in playoffs vs. Wolves. If anyone thinks Jokic is going to put up super efficient games vs. Wolves considering how the wolves are constructed is fooling themselves.
In 6 playoffs games Jokic has been under 50% FG 1 time. Murray has only been over 45% 1 time. That's the issue. Can Jokic play better? Yes. Can he play more aggressive? Probably. But end of the day if Murray isn't more efficient going forward it don't matter. On top of that Murray defense has been downright awful!
Just my 2 cents.
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