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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 8, 2023 10:51:15 GMT -5
It’s not. I do think it’s important to monitor how we win/lose tho. If we have a good game and lose that’ll be concerning. If we lay another egg like game 2 that’ll be concerning. So while it’s not a must win obviously you wanna see the Nuggets recognize the opportunity they have and play with desperation. The only way they can beat us, is if they can again shoot 50% from 3. And even then it'll take a stinker from either Jokic or Murray, or the entire supporting crew |
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Post by scooter on Jun 8, 2023 10:53:25 GMT -5
We shot 28% from 3 and won by 15. I wonder if our star players will ever put up a game where they shoot better than some of the role players thruout these PO's, and end up a game by shooting 70% from 3. I have seen it from some role players (not ours though) and it should be our turn now. Our star players — Jokic and Murray — are hitting lots of shots. Because Finals games are usually lower scoring than usual (the Warriors scored less than 110 points in every single game of the 2022 Finals), we don’t actually need them to hit a lot of threes. And BTW, it should be obvious by now that there are no other star players on the Nuggets. |
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Post by GBG on Jun 8, 2023 10:56:00 GMT -5
We shot 28% from 3 and won by 15. I wonder if our star players will ever put up a game where they shoot better than some of the role players thruout these PO's, and end up a game by shooting 70% from 3. I have seen it from some role players (not ours though) and it should be our turn now. Our star players — Jokic and Murray — are hitting lots of shots. Because Finals games are usually lower scoring than usual (the Warriors scored less than 110 points in every single game of the 2022 Finals), we don’t actually need them to hit a lot of threes. And BTW, it should be obvious by now that there are no other star players on the Nuggets. When MPJ makes the 2026 AllStar game, maybe you’ll change your agenda? Just hoping. Of course, Jokic and Murray are on another tier from the rest of the roster, but we have very good role players and players who can be borderline AllStars. Such as Gordon and, yes, a healthy MPJ. He’s still only 24. Even CB is a very good potential future star, though more likely simply an elite role player. He didn’t play “rough” last night, which I’m sure you noticed. |
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Post by famicommander on Jun 8, 2023 11:05:18 GMT -5
People online have been calling CB "Mayo Jordan" hahahaha
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 8, 2023 11:05:56 GMT -5
Our star players — Jokic and Murray — are hitting lots of shots. Because Finals games are usually lower scoring than usual (the Warriors scored less than 110 points in every single game of the 2022 Finals), we don’t actually need them to hit a lot of threes. And BTW, it should be obvious by now that there are no other star players on the Nuggets. When MPJ makes the 2026 AllStar game, maybe you’ll change your agenda? Just hoping. Of course, Jokic and Murray are on another tier from the rest of the roster, but we have very good role players and players who can be borderline AllStars. Such as Gordon and, yes, a healthy MPJ. He’s still only 24. Even CB is a very good potential future star, though more likely simply an elite role player. He didn’t play “rough” last night, which I’m sure you noticed. Sticky will be coach of CU before mpj ever get too all-star gm 😂 |
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Post by scooter on Jun 8, 2023 11:17:52 GMT -5
Our star players — Jokic and Murray — are hitting lots of shots. Because Finals games are usually lower scoring than usual (the Warriors scored less than 110 points in every single game of the 2022 Finals), we don’t actually need them to hit a lot of threes. And BTW, it should be obvious by now that there are no other star players on the Nuggets. When MPJ makes the 2026 AllStar game, maybe you’ll change your agenda? Just hoping. Of course, Jokic and Murray are on another tier from the rest of the roster, but we have very good role players and players who can be borderline AllStars. Such as Gordon and, yes, a healthy MPJ. He’s still only 24. Even CB is a very good potential future star, though more likely simply an elite role player. I have no “agenda” other than wanting the Nuggets to win. I do have eyes, though. Gordon is an elite role player. Braun is potentially an elite role player if he stays healthy and continues to improve. Porter turns 25 in three weeks and his weaknesses are far too glaring for him to be a “borderline All-Star.” The post-back surgery version of Porter is just not nearly as talented as we wish he was. Frankly, he was never as talented as we wish he was, as unfortunately his hands (which were not effected by his back surgeries) are not great by the standards of the highest level of a sport you play mostly with your hands. |
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Post by rock on Jun 8, 2023 11:24:52 GMT -5
It’s not. I do think it’s important to monitor how we win/lose tho. If we have a good game and lose that’ll be concerning. If we lay another egg like game 2 that’ll be concerning. So while it’s not a must win obviously you wanna see the Nuggets recognize the opportunity they have and play with desperation. It’s the finals. It’s must win. |
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Post by JB on Jun 8, 2023 11:25:13 GMT -5
the fact the Nuggets are in the drivers seat of the finals with MPJ going 8/31 on the series with three made 3s on 19 attempts says it all.
I have remained resolute in my position that Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic can deliver you a championship if you surround them with enough "good enough" pieces. turns out they're good enough to win a finals game with no one other than Mr. Winner showing up.
MPJ is an unnecessary piece. he is inconsistent due to his fragile mental and physical state. he's not worth the risk at that price tag. he wears a leg brace designed for stroke victims because he does not possess the ability to run naturally. please trade him for a "good enough" forward that can defend his position and make open 3s at a decent rate.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 8, 2023 11:27:15 GMT -5
Miami tonight when contested by Jokic: 3/19 shooting Slow feet, can't jump, getting murdered on every ,P&R, easy to exploit. LOL |
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Post by GBG on Jun 8, 2023 11:34:24 GMT -5
When MPJ makes the 2026 AllStar game, maybe you’ll change your agenda? Just hoping. Of course, Jokic and Murray are on another tier from the rest of the roster, but we have very good role players and players who can be borderline AllStars. Such as Gordon and, yes, a healthy MPJ. He’s still only 24. Even CB is a very good potential future star, though more likely simply an elite role player. I have no “agenda” other wanting the Nuggets to win. I do have eyes, though. Gordon is an elite role player. Braun is potentially an elite role player if he stays healthy and continues to improve. Porter turns 25 in three weeks and his weaknesses are far too glaring for him to be a “borderline All-Star.” The post-back surgery version of Porter is just not nearly as talented as we wish he was. Frankly, he was never as talented as we wish he was, as unfortunately his hands (which were not effected by his back surgeries) are not great by the standards of the highest level of a sport you play mostly with your hands. In your answer, you just reaffirmed what your agenda is. Namely, to tell fans who read you on this forum, over and over and over again, that MPJ is forever damaged goods and not that good nor will ever be that good, and even might be “disconnected from his teammate”, something I debunked with a short video of a practice. And no, we still won’t trade MPJ for Miles Bridges. And yes, MPJ is an improved defender and fine rebounder. You may deny it, but your agenda is obvious. Oh, and his teammates still love him… |
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Post by scooter on Jun 8, 2023 11:40:33 GMT -5
I have no “agenda” other wanting the Nuggets to win. I do have eyes, though. Gordon is an elite role player. Braun is potentially an elite role player if he stays healthy and continues to improve. Porter turns 25 in three weeks and his weaknesses are far too glaring for him to be a “borderline All-Star.” The post-back surgery version of Porter is just not nearly as talented as we wish he was. Frankly, he was never as talented as we wish he was, as unfortunately his hands (which were not effected by his back surgeries) are not great by the standards of the highest level of a sport you play mostly with your hands. In your answer, you just reaffirmed what your agenda is. Namely, to tell fans who read you on this forum, over and over and over again, that MPJ is forever damaged goods and not that good nor will ever be that good, and even might be “disconnected from his teammate”, something I debunked with a short video of a practice. And no, we still won’t trade MPJ for Miles Bridges. And yes, MPJ is an improved defender and fine rebounder. You may deny it, but your agenda is obvious. Oh, and his teammates still love him… MPJ’s teammates don’t want to kick him when he’s down. Neither do I. |
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 8, 2023 11:41:25 GMT -5
MPJ has been brutal offensively. Great defensively game 1, brutal game 2, and thought he was much improved last game.
I think the most important part of his game is the spacing he provides tho. Even when he’s 0-1000 from 3 teams are scared of his shot. So even at his worst he still provides a valuable asset. He raises the ceiling of the team when the shots are actually falling.
It’s his first ever NBA finals and clearly feeling the nerves. He’s not alone there. Shoutout CB for doing the opposite. Malone needs to be ready to pull MPJ when it’s clear it’s not his night but I think he should continue to start. Pull the plug when he goes brick mode.
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Post by GBG on Jun 8, 2023 11:42:52 GMT -5
the fact the Nuggets are in the drivers seat of the finals with MPJ going 8/31 on the series with three made 3s on 19 attempts says it all. I have remained resolute in my position that Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic can deliver you a championship if you surround them with enough "good enough" pieces. turns out they're good enough to win a finals game with no one other than Mr. Winner showing up. MPJ is an unnecessary piece. he is inconsistent due to his fragile mental and physical state. he's not worth the risk at that price tag. he wears a leg brace designed for stroke victims because he does not possess the ability to run naturally. please trade him for a "good enough" forward that can defend his position and make open 3s at a decent rate. It’s not like Murray has ever gone through a 3-19 shooting stretch from beyond arc. You are simply ridiculous. Please stop. Murray and Jokic are our championship delivery boys, but Brown, Braun, MPJ, and KCP are all championship pieces too. For you to call for a trade NOW, in the midst of an historic event in franchise history, of one of the pieces that got us to this place (without MPJ this season, we don’t make 1-seed and struggle more in earlier rounds), is a bad look. That said, of course he’s overpaid, but he’s still damn good if you can take your recency bias blinders off. And he’s still 24. Would much rather invest in MPJ’s future than RJ Barrett. |
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 8, 2023 11:46:25 GMT -5
f***ing with team chemistry would be insane if we win a ring. We gotta run it back. Pray Bruce does something crazy and stays but when he likely signs elsewhere just increase CB’s role and try and find another bench weapon.
Breaking up this starting lineup makes zero sense unless Miami wins. MPJ’s health is scary for sure but this starting lineup just meshes so we’ll together.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 8, 2023 11:54:45 GMT -5
the fact the Nuggets are in the drivers seat of the finals with MPJ going 8/31 on the series with three made 3s on 19 attempts says it all. I have remained resolute in my position that Jamal Murray and Nikola Jokic can deliver you a championship if you surround them with enough "good enough" pieces. turns out they're good enough to win a finals game with no one other than Mr. Winner showing up. MPJ is an unnecessary piece. he is inconsistent due to his fragile mental and physical state. he's not worth the risk at that price tag. he wears a leg brace designed for stroke victims because he does not possess the ability to run naturally. please trade him for a "good enough" forward that can defend his position and make open 3s at a decent rate. He's a 40% 3PT Shooter who's in a slump. Let's not lose our minds over one series. If the right player came along I'm not saying you can't make that trade, bit his improvement defensively has been noticeable and assuming he's not injured right now, we can exepct another jump both offensively and defensivley for next season. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 8, 2023 12:09:47 GMT -5
I don't want to give the impression that MPJ is untouchable. Joker and Jamal are untouchable. MPJ could be moved for the right piece.
But the right piece would have to be an elite player or multiple pretty good depth pieces, not like an "at least this guy's contract is shorter" reclamation project. Because MPJ is an elite shooter who happens to be in a slump, he's a pretty good rebounder, he's improved by huge strides defensively, he has the length to bother shooters even when they've gotten by him ... so don't f**k around and trade him for like Miles Plumlee and Nash Bridges. But MPJ for OG would be the kind of trade I'd have to seriously consider.
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Post by JB on Jun 8, 2023 12:09:48 GMT -5
if I'm overreacting, it's due to the fact that MPJ "slumping" has traditionally meant he's declining physically which has a cascading effect on his mental state.
I have yet to read a persuasive argument as to why a max player with this many red flags is worth the risk.
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Post by inyourmind on Jun 8, 2023 12:16:03 GMT -5
I don't want to give the impression that MPJ is untouchable. Joker and Jamal are untouchable. MPJ could be moved for the right piece. But the right piece would have to be an elite player or multiple pretty good depth pieces, not like an "at least this guy's contract is shorter" reclamation project. Because MPJ is an elite shooter who happens to be in a slump, he's a pretty good rebounder, he's improved by huge strides defensively, he has the length to bother shooters even when they've gotten by him ... so don't f**k around and trade him for like Miles Plumlee and Nash Bridges. But MPJ for OG would be the kind of trade I'd have to seriously consider. Basically my exact thought. Feels dirty to be talking about it during the finals. MPJ isn’t untouchable but unless your winning the trade with little risk no reason to break up this starting lineup and lose his floor spacing/size combination. It would have to be someone who raises the ceiling of our team like MPJ while having a higher floor. They’d also have to buy into being the 3rd option as well right. Like OG/Brown would be interesting but zero chance Brown wants to be the 3rd guy. Team chemistry matters. |
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Post by Ring on Jun 8, 2023 12:38:30 GMT -5
Multiple analysts have already done breakdowns of Game 3 showing how much space Jokic had to operate with last night.
MPJ needs to hit shots. If he doesn't, you lower his minutes and play Bruce. It's not a big deal. The contract is what the contract is.
MPJ was really good in the 1st 3 rounds. He's in a slump. It happens to all shooters. He just can't defend like he did in Game 2. He was solid last night.
One of the #1 reasons the Nuggets won the game is they demolished the Heat on the glass. MPJ had 7 boards in limited minutes. I thought he was fine last night.
Jokic
Murray
Braun
AG
Outside of those 4 everyone was meh.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jun 8, 2023 12:51:04 GMT -5
Mpj has not been benched because he's in a shooting slump. He's been benched because of his mental weaknesses. He's facing likes of Strus, Martin, Love, the type of players he will never face again and he's sleeping on the floor
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