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Post by duh88 on May 18, 2023 0:23:33 GMT -5
At some point you guys will realize that Murray guarding lebron played exactly into our hands.
Notice that two times, AG tried to hedge - the second time, Murray waived him off and gave him a dirty look. We wanted lebron to keep driving and wear himself out. Our lead was good enough to sustain - lebron had the hubris to keep doing it.
We now head into game 2 with an exhausted lebron.
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Post by rock on May 18, 2023 0:29:57 GMT -5
At some point you guys will realize that Murray guarding lebron played exactly into our hands. Notice that two times, AG tried to hedge - the second time, Murray waived him off and gave him a dirty look. We wanted lebron to keep driving and wear himself out. Our lead was good enough to sustain - lebron had the hubris to keep doing it. We now head into game 2 with an exhausted lebron. I envy your mentality |
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Post by famicommander on May 18, 2023 0:36:46 GMT -5
I saved one rock quote that I didn't post in the thread: we win a title this year and BB resigns, I swear Ill never complain again This is what's on the line, gentlemen. |
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Post by rock on May 18, 2023 0:39:26 GMT -5
I’ll even drop the BB clause
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Post by nuggetshipster on May 18, 2023 3:21:04 GMT -5
Yeah BB is gone either way
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Post by famicommander on May 18, 2023 3:47:29 GMT -5
There's no salary cap for coaches in the NLL. Sign Bruce to be an assistant coach of the Mammoth for 10 million dollars. Who's gonna check?
Give him his own soccer team too. Kroenkes have like 3 or 4 just sitting around, they won't even notice. And Avalanche play-by-play commentator Mark Rycroft will agree to be his best friend, plus Aaron Donald will blindside any person of Bruce's choosing. All this and more.
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Post by Coach Sticky on May 18, 2023 4:49:27 GMT -5
can you keep your indoor minigolf talk to the random s**t thread?
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Post by Ring on May 18, 2023 9:13:04 GMT -5
I’ll even drop the BB clause Same. I mean I'll complain but I'm not greedy. All I want is 1 ring. I don't need 5. I still have no idea how I'll react if the Nuggets somehow get a ring in my lifetime. We're 7 wins away. Closest we've ever been. Crazy. |
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Post by passtheballquick on May 18, 2023 9:45:07 GMT -5
Murray had 3 steals, 4 defensive rebounds, and a block and he did a good job on the opposing point guards Russell and Schroeder. He got obliterated by LeBron, but that's the obvious result of a 6'8" monster forward versus a point guard. Murray is never going to be a great defender but it's hard to blame him for yesterday. We were just stupid to keep switching that. I don't blame him for anything in the last game. I said he outplayed Bron that says enough. |
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Post by scooter on May 18, 2023 10:00:39 GMT -5
At some point you guys will realize that Murray guarding lebron played exactly into our hands. Notice that two times, AG tried to hedge - the second time, Murray waived him off and gave him a dirty look. We wanted lebron to keep driving and wear himself out. Our lead was good enough to sustain - lebron had the hubris to keep doing it. It may be taking it a bit too far (since the game got too close for comfort) to say that went perfectly. But I absolutely noticed Murray waiving off help defenders, and choosing to defend Lebron straight up. That may not be a sustainable choice and I’m not claiming the Nuggets want a steady diet of that, but I do think it was a choice, and at least partly by the players on the court. There might be a couple of components to that — as I wrote earlier, trying to fight over screens will often lead to fouls and the Nuggets want to limit Lakers free throws. And Lebron driving clearly uses up some of his energy, as there has been a steady decrease in Lebron drives and a steady increase in jump shots over the past 5-6 years of his career as he calculates and re-calculates what his body can take and what he needs to do to stay on the court. So yep, I do think there was an element of — let Lebron play bully ball for awhile and take something out of his legs. Just like the Nuggets’ running game in the first half wasn’t just about winning those minutes but it was also about wearing Lebron down for the series. |
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Post by GBG on May 18, 2023 10:17:59 GMT -5
At some point you guys will realize that Murray guarding lebron played exactly into our hands. Notice that two times, AG tried to hedge - the second time, Murray waived him off and gave him a dirty look. We wanted lebron to keep driving and wear himself out. Our lead was good enough to sustain - lebron had the hubris to keep doing it. It may be taking it a bit too far (since the game got too close for comfort) to say that went perfectly. But I absolutely noticed Murray waiving off help defenders, and choosing to defend Lebron straight up. That may not be a sustainable choice and I’m not claiming the Nuggets want a steady diet of that, but I do think it was a choice, and at least partly by the players on the court. There might be a couple of components to that — as I wrote earlier, trying to fight over screens will often lead to fouls and the Nuggets want to limit Lakers free throws. And Lebron driving clearly uses up some of his energy, as there has been a steady decrease in Lebron drives and a steady increase in jump shots over the past 5-6 years of his career as he calculates and re-calculates what his body can take and what he needs to do to stay on the court. So yep, I do think there was an element of — let Lebron play bully ball for awhile and take something out of his legs. Just like the Nuggets’ running game in the first half wasn’t just about winning those minutes but it was also about wearing Lebron down for the series. Disagree. This isn’t Rope-A-Dope, and Murray isn’t Muhammad Ali. LeBron is still in exceptional shape, and allowing a few extra drives in Game 1 isn’t gonna “wear him down for the series”. If anything, Jokic having to carry our team for three quarters wore HIM down, which is why it was close at the end. Sometimes players make goofy decisions. Murray becoming macho and waiving off help to go Mano a Mano against LeBron isn’t “strategy” to exhaust him for the series. Actually, it was goofy and foolish, as it wears Murray down to defend a stud like LeBron, especially while Murray is battling illness. Just dumb stuff. |
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Post by scooter on May 18, 2023 10:53:50 GMT -5
It may be taking it a bit too far (since the game got too close for comfort) to say that went perfectly. But I absolutely noticed Murray waiving off help defenders, and choosing to defend Lebron straight up. That may not be a sustainable choice and I’m not claiming the Nuggets want a steady diet of that, but I do think it was a choice, and at least partly by the players on the court. There might be a couple of components to that — as I wrote earlier, trying to fight over screens will often lead to fouls and the Nuggets want to limit Lakers free throws. And Lebron driving clearly uses up some of his energy, as there has been a steady decrease in Lebron drives and a steady increase in jump shots over the past 5-6 years of his career as he calculates and re-calculates what his body can take and what he needs to do to stay on the court. So yep, I do think there was an element of — let Lebron play bully ball for awhile and take something out of his legs. Just like the Nuggets’ running game in the first half wasn’t just about winning those minutes but it was also about wearing Lebron down for the series. Disagree. This isn’t Rope-A-Dope, and Murray isn’t Muhammad Ali. LeBron is still in exceptional shape, and allowing a few extra drives in Game 1 isn’t gonna “wear him down for the series”. If anything, Jokic having to carry our team for three quarters wore HIM down, which is why it was close at the end. Sometimes players make goofy decisions. Murray becoming macho and waiving off help to go Mano a Mano against LeBron isn’t “strategy” to exhaust him for the series. Actually, it was goofy and foolish, as it wears Murray down to defend a stud like LeBron, especially while Murray is battling illness. Just dumb stuff. If you don’t think Lebron’s age, and his concessions to age, are not a factor, I don’t know what to say. Aside from his first 4-5 seasons in the league (when his shot mechanics were bad, pulling down his %s), Lebron has shot roughly 60% on twos because he’s devastating driving to the rim. And in his younger years, he averaged around 10 FTAs/game, because drivers get fouled. He’s never been more than a mediocre outside shooter, with a career 34.5% average on threes while being a devastating scorer at the basket. Despite that, for 6 seasons in a row from 15-16 to 21-22 (this season his 32% became so much of a liability he had to cut down on volume a bit in order to not hurt the team so much), Lebron shot more threes than in the previous season, despite his relatively unimpressive ability at it. In 21-22, threes were 37% of all of his shot attempts even though he’s far from great at it and that was pulling down his overall shooting efficiency. And his free throw attempts in recent seasons are only about half of what they were when he was in his prime. (Compare 14.2 FTAs/game in the 08-09 playoffs to 5.7 FTAs/game in the playoffs so far this season). I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t think that Lebron taking a lot more low efficiency outside shots — at the expense of more effective drives to the basket and free throws— is about him conserving his energy and trying to stay healthy notwithstanding age and mileage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2023 11:11:20 GMT -5
We now head into game 2 with an exhausted lebron. Both LeBron and AD will be even more exhausted for games 3 and 4 ...sweep incoming |
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Post by GBG on May 18, 2023 11:19:02 GMT -5
Disagree. This isn’t Rope-A-Dope, and Murray isn’t Muhammad Ali. LeBron is still in exceptional shape, and allowing a few extra drives in Game 1 isn’t gonna “wear him down for the series”. If anything, Jokic having to carry our team for three quarters wore HIM down, which is why it was close at the end. Sometimes players make goofy decisions. Murray becoming macho and waiving off help to go Mano a Mano against LeBron isn’t “strategy” to exhaust him for the series. Actually, it was goofy and foolish, as it wears Murray down to defend a stud like LeBron, especially while Murray is battling illness. Just dumb stuff. If you don’t think Lebron’s age, and his concessions to age, are not a factor, I don’t know what to say. Aside from his first 4-5 seasons in the league (when his shot mechanics were bad, pulling down his %s), Lebron has shot roughly 60% on twos because he’s devastating driving to the rim. And in his younger years, he averaged around 10 FTAs/game, because drivers get fouled. He’s never been more than a mediocre outside shooter, with a career 34.5% average on threes while being a devastating scorer at the basket. Despite that, for 6 seasons in a row from 15-16 to 21-22 (this season his 32% became so much of a liability he had to cut down on volume a bit in order to not hurt the team so much), Lebron shot more threes than in the previous season, despite his relatively unimpressive ability at it. In 21-22, threes were 37% of all of his shot attempts even though he’s far from great at it and that was pulling down his overall shooting efficiency. And his free throw attempts in recent seasons are only about half of what they were when he was in his prime. (Compare 14.2 FTAs/game in the 08-09 playoffs to 5.7 FTAs/game in the playoffs so far this season). I don’t know what to tell you if you don’t think that Lebron taking a lot more low efficiency outside shots — at the expense of more effective drives to the basket and free throws— is about him conserving his energy and trying to stay healthy notwithstanding age and mileage. Good grief, scooter, you introduced at least two strawmen in your comment. 1) Where did I say Lebron’s age, and concession to age, aren’t a factor? All I said is Murray chose to be macho and foolishly wave off help to go against LeBron 1-on-1, not as some sort of a preplanned concerted strategy to wear him down. Which it won’t, btw. Murray doesn’t wear anyone down playing defense. Okay? 2) I didn’t say I don’t think LeBron is taking a lot more low efficiency shots. Don’t misrepresent my comments next time. Deal? |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 18, 2023 11:30:10 GMT -5
If we can Keep AG on Lebron, he's still going to try and score with the post up, but it's going to be a whole lot more tiring doing it vs. AG than vs. Murray. This also means we won't have to help as much which will hopefully limit LAL 3 point shooting. I think the #1 priority is putting Murray on Schroder so that if we do give up three's on Murray getting back to his man its 3's from Schroder vs. Reaves who's a much better shooter. Reaves shoots 40% from 3 Schroder shoots 32%
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Post by GBG on May 18, 2023 11:37:45 GMT -5
If we can Keep AG on Lebron, he's still going to try and score with the post up, but it's going to be a whole lot more tiring doing it vs. AG than vs. Murray. This also means we won't have to help as much which will hopefully limit LAL 3 point shooting. I think the #1 priority is putting Murray on Schroder so that if we do give up three's on Murray getting back to his man its 3's from Schroder vs. Reaves who's a much better shooter. Reaves shoots 40% from 3 Schroder shoots 32% We acquired AG in trade and resigned him just for this moment, ie to guard the Lebron’s and Luka’s in the playoffs. Why AG isn’t LeBron’s main defender at all times AG is sharing floor with him is confusing. |
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Post by Ring on May 18, 2023 11:39:15 GMT -5
If we can Keep AG on Lebron, he's still going to try and score with the post up, but it's going to be a whole lot more tiring doing it vs. AG than vs. Murray. This also means we won't have to help as much which will hopefully limit LAL 3 point shooting. I think the #1 priority is putting Murray on Schroder so that if we do give up three's on Murray getting back to his man its 3's from Schroder vs. Reaves who's a much better shooter. Reaves shoots 40% from 3 Schroder shoots 32% We acquired AG in trade and resigned him just for this moment, ie to guard the Lebron’s and Luka’s in the playoffs. Why AG isn’t LeBron’s main defender at all times AG is sharing floor with him is confusing. Because that's not possible until AG starts going under screens. |
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Post by scooter on May 18, 2023 11:47:34 GMT -5
We acquired AG in trade and resigned him just for this moment, ie to guard the Lebron’s and Luka’s in the playoffs. Why AG isn’t LeBron’s main defender at all times AG is sharing floor with him is confusing. Because that's not possible until AG starts going under screens. I pointed out that trying to get around screens opens one up to drawing fouls — especially a guy as broad as Gordon. Its one thing for KCP to slip around a screen and its another thing entirely for Gordon — who is wider and less quick — to do it without creating contact with a screener. Going under isn’t exactly an easy solution since screeners — especially primary offensive players like Davis — are allowed to roll toward the basket the instant they set a screen. If a guy like Gordon, who isn’t quick enough to change directions instantly, aims to go under, Davis will just roll in his direction and take Gordon under the basket and leave Lebron unguarded. Screeners almost never get called for moving screens unless they move away from the basket to create contact. |
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Post by GBG on May 18, 2023 11:55:37 GMT -5
We acquired AG in trade and resigned him just for this moment, ie to guard the Lebron’s and Luka’s in the playoffs. Why AG isn’t LeBron’s main defender at all times AG is sharing floor with him is confusing. Because that's not possible until AG starts going under screens. Which AG is fully capable of. While thick and muscular, AG is quicker than what scooter thinks. |
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Post by scooter on May 18, 2023 12:12:34 GMT -5
Because that's not possible until AG starts going under screens. Which AG is fully capable of. While thick and muscular, AG is quicker than what scooter thinks. So Gordon is on Lebron who with the ball is moving left to right across the top of the key. Davis sets a screen for Lebron at the top of the key while Gordon has to slow down to avoid careening straight into Davis and getting whistled for a foul. The instant Davis establishes his screening position, Davis starts rolling straight down the lane and since Gordon turned to his left to try to go under the screen, Davis takes Gordon with him into the middle of the paint. There isn’t a whole lot Gordon can do since Davis has every right in the NBA rule book to that movement, and a collision means a foul on Gordon. Who is now guarding Lebron? Am I missing something here? |
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