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Post by nuggetshipster on May 17, 2023 5:21:34 GMT -5
Lakers fans and TV knobheads before the game: AD will clamp Jokic! Lakers fans and TV knobbeads after the game: Rui gonna guard Jokic! The truth: a sweeeeeeeeeep is coming, get your brooms out. AD playing off Jokic.. crazy concept @jb |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 17, 2023 6:46:33 GMT -5
You have Gordon go over or under the screens. Don't switch it. You live with it if LeBron punishes you with pick and pop threes. I think whoever is guarding screener which seems to mostly be Murray needs to push their man up as much as possible Nad AG just go under. If LeBron hits a bunch of 3s so be it bit it neutralizes everyone else and forces an aged LeBron to have to dominate every game with little rest. |
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Post by JB on May 17, 2023 8:01:52 GMT -5
Lakers fans and TV knobheads before the game: AD will clamp Jokic! Lakers fans and TV knobbeads after the game: Rui gonna guard Jokic! The truth: a sweeeeeeeeeep is coming, get your brooms out. AD playing off Jokic.. crazy concept @jb it worked. for a single quarter against a fatigued Jokic. and with the Nuggets playing into LA's hands by leaving AG in the dunker spot. |
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Post by bignuggets on May 17, 2023 8:16:42 GMT -5
So basically what everyone’s been saying. He said AG might need to be taken off the floor in favor of Jeff Green lol. You might as well just play MPJ at the 4 then. We’ll get killed defensively though, so you just have to live with Jokic adjusting. I’m guessing that’s why AG didn’t come in until later in the 4th. If Peyton Watson was a little more seasoned, this would be a perfect series for him IMO. (If we’re taking AG off the floor more) |
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Post by Ring on May 17, 2023 8:30:06 GMT -5
No. You absolutely cannot take AG off the court. Use him in screen actions, move him around. And yes, he'll have to hit a corner 3. Malone needs to be prepared to close with Bruce Brown over Murray if they can't figure this out. Malone has his guys. That's the bottom line. Murray is NEVER going to not finish a game. It will never happen. He could give up 40 straight buckets and it won't happen. Malone fully trusts him. Every series Murray is the one other teams are going after. He's not in shape. I'll give him a pass for yesterday because he's sick and the defensive scheme was idiotic. I don't think Murray is just saying "AG I'll switch onto Lebron, don't worry." The gameplan was clearly to switch that, which is idiotic. I've said it all playoffs long, but Malone has to be willing to bench AG in games when Jokic is going to draw 2 in the paint. You have to play MPJ at the 4. Not Jeff. You need an elite floor spacer in that role. Malone is NEVER going to do that either. Jokic is either going to be able to overcome Malones lack of ballsy adjustments or the Nuggets are going to lose the series. The floating rim protector has always given Jokic and the Nuggets trouble and its because they've never had a 4 that can stretch the floor in those situations (Millsap, AG) The Lakers were scoring on every single possession in the 2nd half. So putting MPJ on Lebron doesn't change anything. |
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Post by JB on May 17, 2023 8:31:30 GMT -5
the Nuggets cannot afford to DNP Gordon. defending players like Bron in the playoffs is the reason why we acquired him in the first place.
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Post by Ring on May 17, 2023 8:36:30 GMT -5
the Nuggets cannot afford to DNP Gordon. defending players like Bron in the playoffs is the reason why we acquired him in the first place. He didn't defend Lebron though. Murray defended Lebron almost the entire game. The entire 2nd half at least. That's why it doesn't really matter if you lower AGs minutes. The Lakers are going to get what they want matchup wise anyway. |
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Post by JB on May 17, 2023 8:41:23 GMT -5
the Nuggets cannot afford to DNP Gordon. defending players like Bron in the playoffs is the reason why we acquired him in the first place. He didn't defend Lebron though. Murray defended Lebron almost the entire game. The entire 2nd half at least. That's why it doesn't really matter if you lower AGs minutes. The Lakers are going to get what they want matchup wise anyway. that appeared to be a coaching decision, one that I hope gets adjusted away for game 2. |
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Post by duh88 on May 17, 2023 8:43:22 GMT -5
I felt like Malone was doing 5D Chess and purposely didn't counter the Lakers adjustments, knowing we had enough of a cushion to win. Even Murray waived off AG's help on lebron (which was hilarious, because even Lebron paused before driving and was like "really?") - Jokic never drove against Rui (with the result, ESPN is now talking about Rui like he's the next Rudy Gobert - this is GOOD for us). Jeff Green played until minute 5 in the 4th quarter (!!!). Malone clearly didn't want to show a single response to any Laker adjustments - and ultimately, our guys scored when we needed to last night.
We've set a great table for game 2. We showed ZERO preview of how we'll respond to the Lakers critical adjustments. Do you guys seriously think Jamal will be left on an island, alone, with Lebron for an entire playoff series, or that Jokic will never drive on Rui? LOL.
I'm laughing my ass off at anyone that is saying "The Lakers found something" -- no, Malone just didn't want to counter. Malone wasn't even upset at the press conference about the second half defense - why? He didn't want to counter and show his hand.
Once game 2 is over, the Lakers will have little left that they can punch us back with. Furthermore, they'll be starting Schroder and Rui - giving even less punch off of the bench than before. Last night could not have gone better.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 8:47:38 GMT -5
This is not much different from the Suns series:
Booker = Anthony Davis
Kevin Durant = LeBron
Limit AD (maybe double team, hard fouls, etc) and let 38 year old, injured LeBron score ...AD is playing injured as well
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 8:49:24 GMT -5
F*cking refs only gave 1 foul to LeBron and 2 fouls to AD lol ...what a joke
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2023 8:51:07 GMT -5
Nuggets in 4
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Post by JB on May 17, 2023 8:57:47 GMT -5
I felt like Malone was doing 5D Chess and purposely didn't counter the Lakers adjustments, knowing we had enough of a cushion to win. Even Murray waived off AG's help on lebron (which was hilarious, because even Lebron paused before driving and was like "really?") - Jokic never drove against Rui (with the result, ESPN is now talking about Rui like he's the next Rudy Gobert - this is GOOD for us). Jeff Green played until minute 5 in the 4th quarter (!!!). Malone clearly didn't want to show a single response to any Laker adjustments - and ultimately, our guys scored when we needed to last night. We've set a great table for game 2. We showed ZERO preview of how we'll respond to the Lakers critical adjustments. Do you guys seriously think Jamal will be left on an island, alone, with Lebron for an entire playoff series, or that Jokic will never drive on Rui? LOL. I'm laughing my ass off at anyone that is saying "The Lakers found something" -- no, Malone just didn't want to counter. Malone wasn't even upset at the press conference about the second half defense - why? He didn't want to counter and show his hand. Once game 2 is over, the Lakers will have little left that they can punch us back with. Furthermore, they'll be starting Schroder and Rui - giving even less punch off of the bench than before. Last night could not have gone better. #1 big picture duh fan we just need to find away get AD out of the paint defensively. the Lakers, on the other hand have more significant problems they need to solve and are running against the clock, considering their advanced age. I'm not too worried about our chances. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 17, 2023 8:58:57 GMT -5
the Nuggets cannot afford to DNP Gordon. defending players like Bron in the playoffs is the reason why we acquired him in the first place. He didn't defend Lebron though. Murray defended Lebron almost the entire game. The entire 2nd half at least. That's why it doesn't really matter if you lower AGs minutes. The Lakers are going to get what they want matchup wise anyway. I just don't understand how they don't have Murry get under his man when he comes to screen and force the screen as high as possible and then have AG just go under, like especially in the 4th qt when Lebron is tired and is missing his long shots short just keep AG on him, is it really that hard. Lebron aint Curry he's not going to go off a ton of games from deep. |
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Post by freakns on May 17, 2023 9:09:13 GMT -5
Lakers found something... bullshit.
You really think Nuggets were surprised by Hachimura on Jokic? Or LeBron hunting Murray? Like, Lakers enter 4th with Hachimura on Jokic and both Jokic and Malone were "s**t! we haven't seen this coming". Jokic missed couple of passes to AG, and it has nothing to do with AD, passes were just off. He was also tired, just as Jamal. Nuggets were pushing pace for 30 minutes, and Ham was close to throw the towel in and rest for game 2. But Nuggets stopped defending and out of nowhere there was game again... and then Nuggets made couple of dumb plays and had Jokic back in after only 2 minutes. Malone wants him back at 8min mark. He would still play 40 minutes, but thats Jokic's rhythm.
Nuggets still doesn't have to make huge adjustment offensively. AD can't guard Jokic. Hachimura can't guard Jokic. He was partly successful cause Jokic was just tired. If Lakers try this next game, and they probably will, Hachimura will have 4 fouls after 12 minutes and Nuggets will live on FT line. Or, he will play less physical, in which case Jokic will have space to shoot. KAT has 10cm and 10kg over Hachimura(4 inches and 20 pounds), and Minnesota did same thing with Gobert looming behind, and Jokic solve it. Yes, that is most effective way to guard Jokic, but once Minnesota start doing that, Jokic took one game to adjust, then shot 22 free throws in next two. And you can say KAT is lousy defender, but Hachimura isn't any better, and again, KAT do have 10cm and 10kg more. Thats not adjustment that scares me.
Only thing Nuggets have to solve is LeBron's PNR. Thats it. And not to stop it, but slow it down. Don't let LeBron playing 1 on 1 with Jamal, especially if Jamal isn't fully healthy. And run, run, run. Like in 1st half. You do that, same thing will happen to Lakers that happened to Phoenix. LaBron and AD will not be able to keep it up. LeBron 4-5 years ago, yeah, he could do it all series long. Today, with 178 years and foot thats not 100%? Even though he is cyborg, even he will be tired
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Post by JB on May 17, 2023 9:11:45 GMT -5
conceding the 3 to Bron in the PnR seems like the correct course of action going forward.
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Post by wizardofcozz on May 17, 2023 9:27:26 GMT -5
conceding the 3 to Bron in the PnR seems like the correct course of action going forward. Like if we can keep AG on Lebron we don't have to double, and as long as he can just keep him in front of him, even if Lebron hits shots, its going to wear him and we aren't going to have to double which will help with rebounding and getting out and running. |
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Post by Ring on May 17, 2023 9:40:26 GMT -5
Until I see the Nuggets solve a roaming AD, I'm not going to believe it. It's now the biggest pivot point in the series.
Game 2 is a must win IMO.
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Post by GBG on May 17, 2023 9:56:19 GMT -5
Until I see the Nuggets solve a roaming AD, I'm not going to believe it. It's now the biggest pivot point in the series. Game 2 is a must win IMO. Agreed. If we lose game 2, we will be down 3-1 in this series. Fans here with major copium. LeBron isn’t making a doc with the Last Dance guy to get swept. |
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Post by game on May 17, 2023 10:02:46 GMT -5
Until I see the Nuggets solve a roaming AD, I'm not going to believe it. It's now the biggest pivot point in the series. Game 2 is a must win IMO. Minnesota did the same thing. Gordon is a smart enough player and good enough playmaker that there are are clear adjustments to make. Jokic is Jokic. It's not rocket science to say Gordon cannot just stand in the dunker spot with AD guarding him. Bring him into the screening actions. Murray has to punish defenses for going under screens, too. Absolutely must punish that. The defensive end will decide this. Either the Nuggets make life harder on LeBron and AD or they lose the series. As usual on here, I see glass is full or glass is empty variance. Way too early to know which is right. My lean is this stuff is solvable, but the challenges defensively may put a ton of pressure on the Nuggets' offense. Glass half full - Lakers showed their adjustments and exerted this energy in a loss. You know what their Game 2 adjustments are already and can prepare for them. Glass half empty - Lakers exposed some fatal flaws, especially defensively. Or - Malone is too stubborn to bend his lineups and ask egos to be checked to win the series in any way possible. LeBron wants to get a smaller body on him and bully them. That's his game right now. He's not the nuclear athlete LeBron anymore. Make him shoot jumpers - when he settles for jumpers, he's telling you he's tired. And don't let him get Murray at will. This is a mediocre, at best, shooting team. And that's with one of the GOAT passers. No game this early, up 1-0, is "must win". If you can't beat the Lakers in LA, I have news for you, you're not a title team. But it's so different to go to LA up 2-0 and not give LeBron/AD any chance to conserve energy in Games 3 and 4, so I agree with the sentiment. |
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