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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 18:44:47 GMT -5
humans are fallible, influenceable creatures. that's why when pharmaceutical companies want people to take their drugs, they don't show results from lab studies, they show Grandma on a rocking chair talking about why ______ is good for you. you guys must belong to an advanced alien race from a further evolved civilization. welcome to earth. Just for curiosity, do you consider yourself as part of the human category you described above Whenever I read JB’s posts, I think it’s being written by an AI (artificial intelligence) bot |
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 14, 2023 19:09:02 GMT -5
#1 AI JB fan
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Apr 14, 2023 19:20:24 GMT -5
ChatJB
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Post by GBG on Apr 14, 2023 19:23:03 GMT -5
"JB has been a key player for the Nuggets this season, and his consistent scoring and playmaking have been instrumental in the team's success. It's clear that he has a bright future ahead of him, and I can't wait to see what he accomplishes in the coming years. Go Nuggets!"
Written by Chat GPT
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Post by Ring on Apr 14, 2023 21:27:07 GMT -5
We gotta stop pretending like 32/11/3.5 and 31/12/6 with MUCH MUCH MUCH better defense aren't deserving MVPs. That's the type of talk that's just idiotic. Defense matters.
The homers on this board are making it sound like Embiid is going to win MVP on a 6 seed averaging 22/7. Don't be ridiculous. All 3 guys have very fair arguments
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2023 21:48:45 GMT -5
We gotta stop pretending like 32/11/3.5 and 31/12/6 with MUCH MUCH MUCH better defense aren't deserving MVPs. That's the type of talk that's just idiotic. Defense matters. The homers on this board are making it sound like Embiid is going to win MVP on a 6 seed averaging 22/7. Don't be ridiculous. All 3 guys have very fair arguments The 76ers have a better record when Embiid DOES NOT PLAY ...he shoots 12 free throws per game ...playing with a former all-star in Harden ...top 5 MVP candidate but does not deserve MVP ...last but not least he is VERY INJURY PRONE |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 14, 2023 21:53:54 GMT -5
We gotta stop pretending like 32/11/3.5 and 31/12/6 with MUCH MUCH MUCH better defense aren't deserving MVPs. That's the type of talk that's just idiotic. Defense matters. The homers on this board are making it sound like Embiid is going to win MVP on a 6 seed averaging 22/7. Don't be ridiculous. All 3 guys have very fair arguments What D are you talking about lol? You don't trust numbers you see? What statistical defensive categories are favoring Embiid to the extent to be measurable with the huge difference on offense and efficiency. Are you the same idiot that would fall for a few video clips like some voters or maybe you trust your eye test lol. Why would someone on the Nuggets play defense when they were cruising in the west as #1 seed from December till the end. Sober up man. |
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 14, 2023 22:05:31 GMT -5
yawn mvp
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Post by famicommander on Apr 14, 2023 23:01:04 GMT -5
We gotta stop pretending like 32/11/3.5 and 31/12/6 with MUCH MUCH MUCH better defense aren't deserving MVPs. That's the type of talk that's just idiotic. Defense matters. The homers on this board are making it sound like Embiid is going to win MVP on a 6 seed averaging 22/7. Don't be ridiculous. All 3 guys have very fair arguments Embiid's defense is vastly overrated and Jokic's stats are far better across the board. Just listing a statline in a vacuum is not an argument. It's not like there's some preset bar of stats that makes one worthy or not worthy for MVP; it's based on how a player did as compared directly to other players. And the direct comparison heavily, heavily favors Jokic. Jokic played in more games, played in more wins, finished with a higher seed, dominated the advanced stats, and Embiid's team had a better record in 16 games without him than they did with him on the floor. People get hung up on this like we're downplaying Embiid when we say Jokic obviously deserves it. That's not the case. Embiid is a great player who had a great year. But when you take into account every piece of the puzzle there's no coherent argument for him to get the award over Jokic. |
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Post by duh88 on Apr 15, 2023 0:05:01 GMT -5
Sadly, there's a ton of optics involving MVP.
From the NBA's perspective, it's better for the league to have multiple "MVP" awardees on any given night, spread throughout different markets.
But Jokic deserves it - it's not even close.
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 15, 2023 7:51:43 GMT -5
Sadly, there's a ton of optics involving MVP. From the NBA's perspective, it's better for the league to have multiple "MVP" awardees on any given night, spread throughout different markets. But Jokic deserves it - it's not even close. I am ok with Jokic not winning it for various reasons. What bothers me is that some Nuggets fans are trying to maximize Embiid's numbers and Giannis numbers by downplaying Jokic's numbers or influence on the game. Jokic had another historic year where the other 2 had very good years |
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Post by Ring on Apr 15, 2023 10:45:05 GMT -5
Im not listening to any argument that compares Jokic and Embiid defensively in the same stratosphere. They're not. Jokic is the worst rim protector in the NBA. Embiid is at worst a top 5 rim protector in the NBA.
Rim protection is the most valuable aspect a NBA center can provide defensively after rebounding.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2023 11:02:31 GMT -5
Rim protection is the most valuable aspect a NBA center can provide defensively after rebounding. As is the ability to stay healthy and play a decent number of games without being made of glass ...beside the numerous character/personality flaws that Embiid has |
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 15, 2023 11:03:09 GMT -5
Close this thread brings bad vibes,
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Post by Ring on Apr 15, 2023 12:14:04 GMT -5
Rim protection is the most valuable aspect a NBA center can provide defensively after rebounding. As is the ability to stay healthy and play a decent number of games without being made of glass ...beside the numerous character/personality flaws that Embiid has Jokic has personality flaws too, and won the MVP the past 2 seasons in part because Embiid didn't get the requisite amount of games played. This year he did, hence why I have no problem with him winning MVP. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2023 12:14:13 GMT -5
Im not listening to any argument that compares Jokic and Embiid defensively in the same stratosphere. They're not. Jokic is the worst rim protector in the NBA. Embiid is at worst a top 5 rim protector in the NBA. Rim protection is the most valuable aspect a NBA center can provide defensively after rebounding. Defense is more than just rim protection and the difference between Jokic and Embiid in points allowed at the rim is fairly minimal all things considered. Defense is also: defensive rebounding steals deflections contest percentage making the right rotation taking charges loose balls Nobody said Jokic was as good defensively as Embiid, either. It's just that the gap is vastly exaggerated. Embiid gets clowned by guys in space just as hard as Jokic. |
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Post by Ring on Apr 15, 2023 12:14:55 GMT -5
Close this thread brings bad vibes, Agreed. The MVP race is over anyway so the thread is pointless. I'm just astonished people on here are acting like Embiid and Jokic are in the same world defensively. The entire reason why most people have doubts about Denver in the playoffs is because of Jokics defense lol |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2023 12:15:29 GMT -5
As is the ability to stay healthy and play a decent number of games without being made of glass ...beside the numerous character/personality flaws that Embiid has Jokic has personality flaws too, and won the MVP the past 2 seasons in part because Embiid didn't get the requisite amount of games played. This year he did, hence why I have no problem with him winning MVP. Even if they had both played the same amount of games the difference in production is still drastic. Embiid has no case in any of the last three years. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 15, 2023 12:16:07 GMT -5
Close this thread brings bad vibes, Agreed. The MVP race is over anyway so the thread is pointless. I'm just astonished people on here are acting like Embiid and Jokic are in the same world defensively. The entire reason why most people have doubts about Denver in the playoffs is because of Jokics defense lol Jokic is not as good defensively. That said, Jokic's defense is underrated Embiid's defense is overrated Neither are remotely close to Giannis on this point |
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Post by Ring on Apr 15, 2023 12:16:36 GMT -5
Im not listening to any argument that compares Jokic and Embiid defensively in the same stratosphere. They're not. Jokic is the worst rim protector in the NBA. Embiid is at worst a top 5 rim protector in the NBA. Rim protection is the most valuable aspect a NBA center can provide defensively after rebounding. Defense is more than just rim protection and the difference between Jokic and Embiid in points allowed at the rim is fairly minimal all things considered. Defense is also: defensive rebounding steals deflections contest percentage making the right rotation taking charges loose balls Nobody said Jokic was as good defensively as Embiid, either. It's just that the gap is vastly exaggerated. Embiid gets clowned by guys in space just as hard as Jokic. Yes it's more than rim protection but rim protection is the 2nd most valuable aspect of defense for a big. Bigs typically don't have to make multiple rotations or complex reads. Steals are awesome and Jokic is great at them but I'd much rather have him turn into Embiid defensively at the rim than be a steals guy. The Nuggets would be unbeatable if Jokic could protect the rim. Simple as that. |
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