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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 28, 2020 1:29:54 GMT -5
I doubt we sell it considering how our latest picks have panned out
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jul 28, 2020 23:40:04 GMT -5
why is this BS thread still stickied rock, cln, lothar?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2020 10:00:26 GMT -5
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Post by rock on Aug 2, 2020 10:45:13 GMT -5
Haven’t read it yet but I assume it’s Murray, mpj and picks for those guys
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Post by Coach Sticky on Aug 2, 2020 11:13:44 GMT -5
If we trade for Kevin Love it’s over... like, we gonna end up being a lotto team
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 2, 2020 11:48:58 GMT -5
Kevin Love is so 2016
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Post by rock on Aug 2, 2020 12:18:47 GMT -5
Agreed. Forget love
Beal, simmons or jrue are all interesting however.
Beal is by far the most expensive. Probably would cost us Murray and more
Could a team of Beal, jokic and Bol win anything?
Simmons would also be traded in a package revolving around Murray. Although I’d be intrigued by a trio of Murray , simmons and jokic. I think they work together well. Might need a three team deal working with Philly
Jrue not sure. He’s the oldest and probably least talented so I’m not sure what the pelicans would want.
All I know is this team is structured terribly and needs work. But TC doesn’t know how to fix it.
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 2, 2020 12:31:42 GMT -5
I say we go after Zac lavine
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Post by rock on Aug 2, 2020 13:03:20 GMT -5
it all depends on price. simmons/beal would cost a lot more than lavine/jrue.
if we go down this path its imperative we dont mess this up. if you trade your future and it doesnt work out you screw yourselves for years to come. we need to maximize jokic's prime years.
I think the murray/simmons/jokic trio intrigues me the most (surround them with more shooters). but Id assume philly (who is also trying to win now) would want murray back. which would leave us with something like mpj/simmons/jokic and no backcourt - doesnt seem as nice.
so maybe we send mpj/bol to a rebuilding team, they send philly someone and we get simmons? maybe washington as the 3rd team?
or just pull a TC and send mpj, bol and two firsts to okc for dort because "something, something, hustles, good fit, something something"
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Post by Coach Sticky on Aug 2, 2020 15:36:29 GMT -5
Bring back Linas Kleiza. Win banners.
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Post by scooter on Aug 5, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
While ya'll are focused on the possibilities of some big back-court trade, I think the PF and backup C positions are really interesting to consider. Plumlee, Vonleh, Millsap and Grant are all free agents. Plumlee still does what he does pretty well, but he's 30 and in a league that values outside shooting and floor spacing like never before, Plumlee is a lane clogger. Vonleh hasn't shown me much in the few minutes I've seen. Millsap is still very good at what he does, but he's slowing down and that's an issue in a league where teams are spacing the court like crazy with shooters at every position. He's shown he can shoot, but with his slowing feet his defense is in decline. Grant has had really good games this season and he's really good as a one on one defender against big-ish scorers, but his rebounding is poor, his hands are not great, and his feel for the game remains pretty weak IMO.
I don't think the Nuggets are going to run it back with all of those guys. I also think that Porter may really be more of a PF than a small forward. And that Bol projects to be a PF. I don't think he'll be ready to play a regular rotation role next season, but if he stays healthy, I expect he will by the following season.
In my ideal world, the Nuggets would sign UFA Serge Ibaka to be next season's backup C and occasional PF in a big ball lineup. But that's probably not happening. I think UFA Harry Giles (only 22 like Porter), who the Kings declined their option on, is a very skilled and talented player, and like Porter and Bol if he can stay healthy he'll develop into a starter level player. FA Dario Saric is also an interesting player with a broad skill set. Marcus Morris is a non-Bird UFA, although he's very streaky and may not be a great culture fit on this team. There are a ton of free agent centers, including Noel, Baynes, Olynyk (PO), Tristan Thompson and others.
Interesting summer (really fall this time) for the Nuggets and the free agent market.
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Post by rock on Aug 6, 2020 21:32:51 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on future backup pg?
I think we have morris for one more year then he’s gone
Is dozier the guy? Can he be a 20 mpg solid backup 1?
Or do we hit the FA market next summer?
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 6, 2020 21:40:09 GMT -5
i go with pj, and let morris go -he will ask for too much
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Post by rock on Aug 6, 2020 21:44:47 GMT -5
i go with pj, and let morris go -he will ask for too much I agree morris will get paid Question is do you trust dozier to backup Murray?
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Post by jimijam28 on Aug 6, 2020 21:47:52 GMT -5
i think he was fine tonight- will see what happens next season,,
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Post by scooter on Aug 7, 2020 11:58:32 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on future backup pg? I think we have morris for one more year then he’s gone I see no reason to believe Morris is going to command big money and be gone. He's a backup PG, no more and no less, and at age 25 he's more or less what he's going to be. Things can change -- sometimes players get more opportunity due to injury and prove they are more than what has been seen so far -- but so far, he's just a backup PG, and not a Van Vleet or Schroder or Williams or Hill level of backup PG either (meaning good enough to start or be the 6th man on a playoff team). He'll always be small, isn't super fast, and while his 3 point %s are good, that's on very low volume -- he's yet to make 100 threes in a season and my eye test tells me its because he doesn't have long range and isn't strong enough to make the more difficult types of threes: step backs, shooting deep threes off the dribble, under heavy defensive pressure etc. He hits them well when he has plenty of time and space right at the three point line, but at his height, there are a limited number of those shots. He needs to extend his range if he's going to be a bigger role kind of player. For some reason, rock and a couple of others here are always stating that so and so will be gone because he'll get too much money. Like -- "we can't afford Plumlee." I see Plumlee's market value this offseason in the $3-6 mil range. The Nuggets may or may not opt to bring him back -- depending on which free agent centers are interested in the Nuggets and for how much -- but it won't be because they can't afford him.
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Post by rock on Aug 7, 2020 12:06:09 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on future backup pg? I think we have morris for one more year then he’s gone I see no reason to believe Morris is going to command big money and be gone. He's a backup PG, no more and no less, and at age 25 he's more or less what he's going to be. Things can change -- sometimes players get more opportunity due to injury and prove they are more than what has been seen so far -- but so far, he's just a backup PG, and not a Van Vleet or Schroder or Williams or Hill level of backup PG either (meaning good enough to start or be the 6th man on a playoff team). He'll always be small, isn't super fast, and while his 3 point %s are good, that's on very low volume -- he's yet to make 100 threes in a season and my eye test tells me its because he doesn't have long range and isn't strong enough to make the more difficult types of threes: step backs, shooting deep threes off the dribble, under heavy defensive pressure etc. He hits them well when he has plenty of time and space right at the three point line, but at his height, there are a limited number of those shots. He needs to extend his range if he's going to be a bigger role kind of player. For some reason, rock and a couple of others here are always stating that so and so will be gone because he'll get too much money. Like -- "we can't afford Plumlee." I see Plumlee's market value this offseason in the $3-6 mil range. The Nuggets may or may not opt to bring him back -- depending on which free agent centers are interested in the Nuggets and for how much -- but it won't be because they can't afford him. im not expecting morris to get like 20 mill per year, but he could easily get 10-15. and we cant afford that for a backup. as for plumlee, if he wants to sign 2/10 or 3/12...yeah id bring him back for that. use him a little less in specific situations only. but we need to start being careful with our money. hopefully this summer our priority is with grant first, then maybe millsap. if millsap wants multiple years I wouldnt go past 10 mill per.
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Post by JB on Aug 7, 2020 12:57:39 GMT -5
it's not a question of salary with Plumlee (who was on track for a severe pay cut even before the pandemic), it's a question of is he being coached by a person that recognizes at this point he's a situational 10th-11th man on the roster. if he isn't, then he has a negative impact on the team even if he's playing for free.
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Post by scooter on Aug 7, 2020 14:16:03 GMT -5
im not expecting morris to get like 20 mill per year, but he could easily get 10-15. and we cant afford that for a backup. The economics of the league are going to take a hit, and for more than one season. If he was a 6th man level player, like Lou Williams or Van Vleet (who averaged 18 points/game this season) -- guys who at times can take games over -- sure his market value might be north of $12 mil/year when his contract is up next offseason. But he has not shown the ability to be that level of player. Given the likelihood that contracts will be down at least 20% from what they otherwise would be for the next couple of offseasons, I don't see Morris having a market value >$10 mi/year, if that. Morris has continuity with the Nuggets and that has value, but in terms of pure talent, skill and physical ability, there are 3rd string PGs who are more or less the same as Morris. Hell, the Mavs have 4 backup PGs -- Brunson, Barea, D. Wright and Burke -- who are capable of filling that spot on the Nuggets. I'm pretty sure Jalen Brunson ain't "easily" getting a $15 mil/year contract when his rookie deal expires.
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Post by rock on Aug 7, 2020 14:29:53 GMT -5
You are forgetting about the TC friends and family bonus.
Should take Morris’s deal from 3/30 to 4/75
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