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Post by game on Jan 31, 2019 16:13:02 GMT -5
And now Porzingis is informing Dallas he's playing for the QO next year.
WTF is happening
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jan 31, 2019 16:20:28 GMT -5
Porzingis and Doncic are a good start to a team. If the Mavs could keep him they'd be in great shape.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 31, 2019 16:29:46 GMT -5
Confused
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Post by JB on Jan 31, 2019 16:57:01 GMT -5
Zinger told the Knicks he's taking the QO which means 1. no-trade clause 2. he'll be an UFA next summer so they panic traded him to the Mavs. if you're asking why they didn't wait until the deadline and start a bidding war, it's because they're the Knicks.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 31, 2019 17:10:11 GMT -5
Man the West sucks. If KP can stay healthy, which could be a big question, Mavericks are going to make some noise in the future.
New York made obviously a comically shitty trade. There the only franchise where I kinda get it in a weird way tho. They are so pathetically bad and have been for so long. KP is an amazing player but wants out, potential injury issues, basically all NY can do is swing for the fences. There market is there biggest selling point. No matter what they do, they'll probably f**k it up. Basically try to sign multi stars.
I wonder how scared NBA teams are of his injury. Kristaps is 7'3 and alot of what he does is based off his freakish physical ability at that size. Anytime someone over 7 foot gets hurt it's a huge red flag. So many teams, including Denver could have beat Dallas's package. Is New York as bad as they look, or were alot of teams scared off and don't think he can stay healthy?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 17:22:17 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day the Knicks were only going to trade him to a team that would take Lee/Hardaway and give back expirings. Pretty sure they're getting a first round pick also.
I'm not a KP fan. Guys that tall just don't last and it's not like the ACL was his first injury. He's had other injury problems throughout his career albeit much more minor ones. Luka/KP is a pretty good combo to start with though. But you could say that about Luka and any stretch 5 or roll 5. He's that good.
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They got 2 future firsts coming back.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 31, 2019 17:32:42 GMT -5
Honestly with 2 future 1st's is it crazy if I actually kinda like it for NY now that I think about it? .. KP is a genuine injury risk and wanted out. Two max spots, DSJ/Knox/this years first + the 1sts you get in the trade isn't brutal. As long as they aren't stupid with the cap space, it actually looks decent but I'm pretty high on DSJ.
I like it with the 2 1st's added. If NY fired everyone, brings in a new staff, they have some assets/an attractive market to dangle around. The fact that it's NY just makes it difficult. Anything they do it's hard not to find comically shitty.
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Post by brick2 on Jan 31, 2019 17:40:35 GMT -5
I suppose there's an outside chance they have some inside scoop that at least one of the big FA's intends to sign there. 2 big FA's and another solid vet, plus a big win in the lottery and the team could be top 4 in the East. It's risky though.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jan 31, 2019 17:41:03 GMT -5
The cap space is the wild card of this trade. If they go out and get a star or two as a result of obtaining that cap space, it's a fine trade. If they strike out and overpay for another THJ type of player again, then it's a major failure.
But even then, their GM just overpaid THJ and Lee a couple summers ago when they had cap space...then had to use Porzingis in a trade to erase that mistake. That's what is comical about it.
On a side note, if Wes Matthews gets bought out...any interest? I guess maybe if we did do some kind of AD trade and depleted our depth on the wings itd be a good fit. Probably too crowded right now.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jan 31, 2019 17:43:01 GMT -5
that's the kind of trade that if the Spurs or Raptors did it we'd immediately be asking "what do they know that we don't?" but since it's the Knicks we just assume they fucked it up. We used to think the same way about the Clippers until fairly recently.
I think KP+salary-dump for two firsts and DSJ is a decent haul. If they get lucky in the lotto and can repair their reputation enough to land a good FA, all of a sudden we might think they're on the right track.
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Post by eathb on Jan 31, 2019 17:46:08 GMT -5
Wes Matthews going to Houston if bought out
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Post by DHNF on Jan 31, 2019 17:49:09 GMT -5
Wow. It would really suck to be a Knicks fan. Knicks have to be the dumbest franchise of all time. They basically just dumped their best player for cap space and to dump the Lee and Hardaway contracts. They're betting the farm that they're getting a marquee FA next year.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 31, 2019 17:49:18 GMT -5
that's the kind of trade that if the Spurs or Raptors did it we'd immediately be asking "what do they know that we don't?" but since it's the Knicks we just assume they fucked it up. We used to think the same way about the Clippers until fairly recently. I think KP+salary-dump for two firsts and DSJ is a decent haul. If they get lucky in the lotto and can repair their reputation enough to land a good FA, all of a sudden we might think they're on the right track. It's so true. My initial reaction was to s**t all over it. KP is a major injury risk at 7'3. I think he can a superstar if healthy. Could be a pretty big if. If he had no intention to sign, your biggest attraction is your market so you create 2 max slots, pick up extra 1st round picks and a young player incase you can't sign stars. Just need some lottery luck now. Like there's no way NY blows this cap space on shitty contracts and holds it if everyone passes this year, right? Like they can't just repeat the same mistakes by maxing out the wrong guys lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 18:00:17 GMT -5
Interesting trade, but as Ring said KP is a walking injury. Knicks might have done better than people are giving them credit for.
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Post by duh88 on Jan 31, 2019 18:03:58 GMT -5
Regarding Zion - heard from an agent that there's some injury concerns that are being hidden. Don't know if they'll come out in the draft or not - but I've heard one very intelligent person tell me that the durability isn't there.
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Post by duh88 on Jan 31, 2019 18:05:19 GMT -5
I literrally didn't realize how well Jokic and Murray work together. These two practice together a lot more than they let on. It's a thing of beauty. We're going to struggle without Murray on the floor (and any talk of him not being in our starting 5 is absolute bunk):
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 18:14:30 GMT -5
Like I said about a month ago that Jokic/Murray PnR is legitimately unstoppable. Bigs aren't comfortable defending it because they never see it.
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Post by rock on Jan 31, 2019 18:19:11 GMT -5
Another dumbass east team helping a west team
f**k
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Post by odvala on Jan 31, 2019 18:24:47 GMT -5
Like I said about a month ago that Jokic/Murray PnR is legitimately unstoppable. Bigs aren't comfortable defending it because they never see it. That's why i keep saying that Jokic,Murray,MPJ are untouchables for any kind of trade. They are our version of Curry,Klay,Green.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jan 31, 2019 18:25:52 GMT -5
Like I said about a month ago that Jokic/Murray PnR is legitimately unstoppable. Bigs aren't comfortable defending it because they never see it. Malone said that in an interview about that time IIRC -- that when Jokic is the ball handler in a P&R and Murray screens, opposing bigs often get lost because everyone knows how to defend the 1/5 P&R but nobody knows how to defend the 5/1 P&R.
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