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Post by pie on Oct 29, 2024 13:10:36 GMT -5
I'm really curious how many votes Jill Stein will get ...also the percentage
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:11:59 GMT -5
the ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation have been going on for 76 years but this level of violence is unprecedented. the closest comparable event was when Israel leveled Beirut in the 80s (Hezbollah had not yet existed) and killed 15,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. the key difference is Reagan called it a "holocaust" and demanded Begin stop the killing, which he did immediately. which just demonstrates the actual leverage the US president has with their proxy state, which the Democrats refuse to utilize.
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Post by GBG on Oct 29, 2024 13:12:25 GMT -5
There is no lesser evil? One candidate held a literal Nazi rally a couple days ago. Both candidates are scumbags but only one of the two is threatening to deploy the US military against people in our own country. Only one of the two is trying to turn us into a Christo-Fascist dystopia. Only one of the two literally tried to overturn the results of a free election and stay in office illegally. Kamala = genocide Trump = more genocide and also mass deportations, massive assaults on minority/women/queer rights, subservience to Vladimir Putin Nobody is going to help the Palestinians and that's a disgusting fact. But Trump is unequivocally more evil. Trump is rhetorically genocidal. but you can't convict someone of a pre-crime. that's 1984 stuff. the Democrats have actually facilitated genocide. the Democrats have actually proven themselves to be either unable or unwilling in opposing Bibi Milekowsky. Pre-crime? LOL. Trump had Iran’s #2 most revered figure assassinated, and if not for the restraint by Iran to retaliate against one of our bases there, it could have sparked an earlier Middle East conflagration. You really have become a dishonest partisan, JB. As in liar. Fami was right in his response to you. |
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Post by pie on Oct 29, 2024 13:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by pie on Oct 29, 2024 13:15:22 GMT -5
Kamala and the Democrats suppressed the anti-Israel protests across U.S. campuses earlier this year. AIPAC and the Democrats are in bed together.
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Post by pie on Oct 29, 2024 13:16:28 GMT -5
the ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation have been going on for 76 years but this level of violence is unprecedented. the closest comparable event was when Israel leveled Beirut in the 80s (Hezbollah had not yet existed) and killed 15,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. the key difference is Reagan called it a "holocaust" and demanded Begin stop the killing, which he did immediately. which just demonstrates the actual leverage the US president has with their proxy state, which the Democrats refuse to utilize. Facts |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 13:18:00 GMT -5
the ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation have been going on for 76 years but this level of violence is unprecedented. the closest comparable event was when Israel leveled Beirut in the 80s (Hezbollah had not yet existed) and killed 15,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. the key difference is Reagan called it a "holocaust" and demanded Begin stop the killing, which he did immediately. which just demonstrates the actual leverage the US president has with their proxy state, which the Democrats refuse to utilize. It has been a series of escalations since Reagan and any president since including your boy Trump (don't pretend not to be a Trump apologist at this point) had the chance to turn back. This is the outcome all these presidents have been building towards. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all understood that this would be the result of the actions they undertook as president. All of them have been intentionally adding fuel to the fire. Trump is telling you he wants to add even more and you're pretending not to believe him, but you do. You know. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 29, 2024 13:18:18 GMT -5
Kamala and the Democrats suppressed the anti-Israel protests across U.S. campuses earlier this year. AIPAC and the Democrats are in bed together. You truly are out to lunch. House Speaker Mike Johnson invited Netanyahu to give his speech to Congress. The only members of Congress who chose to boycott it were Dems. AIPAC funds both parties. And Miriam Adelson gave $100 mil to Trump! |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:18:29 GMT -5
Trump is rhetorically genocidal. but you can't convict someone of a pre-crime. that's 1984 stuff. the Democrats have actually facilitated genocide. the Democrats have actually proven themselves to be either unable or unwilling in opposing Bibi Milekowsky. Pre-crime? LOL. Trump had Iran’s #2 most revered figure assassinated, and if not for the restraint by Iran to retaliate against one of our bases there, it could have sparked an earlier Middle East conflagration. You really have become a dishonest partisan, JB. As in liar. Fami was right in his response to you. assassinating Solemani was a needless provocation, but it's not the same universe as facilitating genocide and allowing Israel to level a major Arab capital for the third time (82, 2006, 2024) in living memory. as bad as Trump is, he's guilty of the crimes he actually commits. you can't say "Trump would be worse, therefore he shares culpability". that is insane. |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:19:11 GMT -5
the ethnic cleansing, apartheid and occupation have been going on for 76 years but this level of violence is unprecedented. the closest comparable event was when Israel leveled Beirut in the 80s (Hezbollah had not yet existed) and killed 15,000 Palestinians and Lebanese. the key difference is Reagan called it a "holocaust" and demanded Begin stop the killing, which he did immediately. which just demonstrates the actual leverage the US president has with their proxy state, which the Democrats refuse to utilize. It has been a series of escalations since Reagan and any president since including your boy Trump (don't pretend not to be a Trump apologist at this point) had the chance to turn back. This is the outcome all these presidents have been building towards. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all understood that this would be the result of the actions they undertook as president. All of them have been intentionally adding fuel to the fire. Trump is telling you he wants to add even more and you're pretending not to believe him, but you do. You know. sure, Trump is "my boy". and you get offended when I called you Blue Maga. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 13:22:07 GMT -5
It has been a series of escalations since Reagan and any president since including your boy Trump (don't pretend not to be a Trump apologist at this point) had the chance to turn back. This is the outcome all these presidents have been building towards. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all understood that this would be the result of the actions they undertook as president. All of them have been intentionally adding fuel to the fire. Trump is telling you he wants to add even more and you're pretending not to believe him, but you do. You know. sure, Trump is "my boy". and you get offended when I called you Blue Maga. Offended? Correcting you is not being offended. I live in a state that is 100% going blue, I'm not voting, and if I were voting it would be for Chase Oliver. It doesn't change the fact that you're sitting here doing mental gymnastics trying to pretend there's no difference between Trump and Harris. You're holding Harris responsible when she hasn't even been president yet while at the same time letting Trump off the hook for his part in the Palestinian situation AND ignoring the fact that he just held a literal Nazi rally. You are an unserious and disingenuous person. |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:22:21 GMT -5
I rarely get triggered, but I get triggered when liberals project their own cowardice on me.
if I supported Trump, I would say it proudly morons. I'm not shy.
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Post by GBG on Oct 29, 2024 13:23:09 GMT -5
Pre-crime? LOL. Trump had Iran’s #2 most revered figure assassinated, and if not for the restraint by Iran to retaliate against one of our bases there, it could have sparked an earlier Middle East conflagration. You really have become a dishonest partisan, JB. As in liar. Fami was right in his response to you. assassinating Solemani was a needless provocation, but it's not the same universe as facilitating genocide and allowing Israel to level a major Arab capital for the third time (82, 2006, 2024) in living memory. as bad as Trump is, he's guilty of the crimes he actually commits. you can't say "Trump would be worse, therefore he shares culpability". that is insane. You hide your Trump support well. Every elected GOP Trump supporter say he should “finish the job”, or give Israel a blank check. The Evangelical base is 100% behind this, as is AIPAC. You think Trump won’t do what they want? That he won’t do what Miriam Adelson expects in return for her $100 million donation? Don’t be intellectually dishonest, which is what you’re being right now. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 13:26:56 GMT -5
I rarely get triggered, but I get triggered when liberals project their own cowardice on me. if I supported Trump, I would say it proudly morons. I'm not shy. I'm not a liberal but you're a Trump apologist. You are quite literally ignoring the fact that this ongoing genocide is something he actively contributed to. This is an outcome he actively worked towards while president and is telling you in his own words right now that he intends to continue to escalate until "it's done". You are ignoring the fact that he's telling you in his own words he wants to turn the military against immigrants, protestors, journalists, and people in general who don't support him. Get triggered all you want. The reason it's happening is because you know your position is unsupportable by anyone with a modicum of reasoning or self respect. |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:35:04 GMT -5
sure, Trump is "my boy". and you get offended when I called you Blue Maga. Offended? Correcting you is not being offended. I live in a state that is 100% going blue, I'm not voting, and if I were voting it would be for Chase Oliver. It doesn't change the fact that you're sitting here doing mental gymnastics trying to pretend there's no difference between Trump and Harris. You're holding Harris responsible when she hasn't even been president yet while at the same time letting Trump off the hook for his part in the Palestinian situation AND ignoring the fact that he just held a literal Nazi rally. You are an unserious and disingenuous person. you're the one doing mental gymnastics because you don't understand context. the subject was Bernie offering a lesser of two evil argument via Gaza, and I disagreed with the proposition. we're not talking domestic concerns here, genius. Harris shares culpability with Biden as current the vice president of the united states. Trump is on the hook for continuing the system of oppression that keeps the Palestinians occupied, but it's functionally insane to say he's equally responsible for genocide. if he is, so is Obama. I truly could not give a single s**t what you think about me fami. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 13:37:41 GMT -5
Offended? Correcting you is not being offended. I live in a state that is 100% going blue, I'm not voting, and if I were voting it would be for Chase Oliver. It doesn't change the fact that you're sitting here doing mental gymnastics trying to pretend there's no difference between Trump and Harris. You're holding Harris responsible when she hasn't even been president yet while at the same time letting Trump off the hook for his part in the Palestinian situation AND ignoring the fact that he just held a literal Nazi rally. You are an unserious and disingenuous person. you're the one doing mental gymnastics because you don't understand context. the subject was Bernie offering a lesser of two evil argument via Gaza, and I disagreed with the proposition. we're not talking domestic concerns here, genius. Harris shares culpability with Biden as current the vice president of the united states. Trump is on the hook for continuing the system of oppression that keeps the Palestinians occupied, but is functionally insane to say he's equally responsible for genocide. if he is, so is Obama. I truly could not give a single s**t what you think about me fami. You literally just said I "triggered" you and now you're typing paragraphs telling me how much you don't care what I think. Whatever you gotta tell yourself, bud. And yes, Obama is responsible for genocide. I already said that. And both Bushes. And Clinton. And we could keep on going. Every US president in our lifetimes has worked in anticipation of the result we're presently seeing. |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:38:45 GMT -5
I rarely get triggered, but I get triggered when liberals project their own cowardice on me. if I supported Trump, I would say it proudly morons. I'm not shy. I'm not a liberal but you're a Trump apologist. You are quite literally ignoring the fact that this ongoing genocide is something he actively contributed to. This is an outcome he actively worked towards while president and is telling you in his own words right now that he intends to continue to escalate until "it's done". You are ignoring the fact that he's telling you in his own words he wants to turn the military against immigrants, protestors, journalists, and people in general who don't support him. Get triggered all you want. The reason it's happening is because you know your position is unsupportable by anyone with a modicum of reasoning or self respect. I know, we've been over this before. you're a "anarcho-capitalist" that just acts a hysterical cancel-culture obsessed liberal on the internet. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 13:40:16 GMT -5
I'm not a liberal but you're a Trump apologist. You are quite literally ignoring the fact that this ongoing genocide is something he actively contributed to. This is an outcome he actively worked towards while president and is telling you in his own words right now that he intends to continue to escalate until "it's done". You are ignoring the fact that he's telling you in his own words he wants to turn the military against immigrants, protestors, journalists, and people in general who don't support him. Get triggered all you want. The reason it's happening is because you know your position is unsupportable by anyone with a modicum of reasoning or self respect. I know, we've been over this before. you're a "anarcho-capitalist" that just acts a hysterical cancel-culture obsessed liberal on the internet. Keep on melting down. You're going to have a bad night when Harris wins this election easily. |
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Post by GBG on Oct 29, 2024 13:43:35 GMT -5
you're the one doing mental gymnastics because you don't understand context. the subject was Bernie offering a lesser of two evil argument via Gaza, and I disagreed with the proposition. we're not talking domestic concerns here, genius. Harris shares culpability with Biden as current the vice president of the united states. Trump is on the hook for continuing the system of oppression that keeps the Palestinians occupied, but is functionally insane to say he's equally responsible for genocide. if he is, so is Obama. I truly could not give a single s**t what you think about me fami. You literally just said I "triggered" you and now you're typing paragraphs telling me how much you don't care what I think. Whatever you gotta tell yourself, bud. And yes, Obama is responsible for genocide. I already said that. And both Bushes. And Clinton. And we could keep on going. Every US president in our lifetimes has worked in anticipation of the result we're presently seeing. Jimmy Carter was the best on this issue. Never started a war. Got Sadat and Begin to shake hands and agree to an Irael-Egypt peace deal. Not every POTUS has blood on his hands on this. |
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Post by JB on Oct 29, 2024 13:49:04 GMT -5
these frivolous back and forths serve serve nothing except to clutter this thread and waste everyone's time.
GBG, I'm requesting a cease-fire until the election. no more battle of ideas, on this subject anyway. I'm not changing my mind and neither are you.
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