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Post by hated sticky on Mar 20, 2017 0:26:19 GMT -5
No playoffs
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Post by eathb on Mar 20, 2017 0:35:29 GMT -5
KAT doesn't win ROY with Malone as coach.
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Post by josh on Mar 20, 2017 1:34:56 GMT -5
KAT doesn't win ROY with Malone as coach. idk Sam Mitchell was a pretty terrible coach
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Post by rundatgame on Mar 20, 2017 8:45:17 GMT -5
I just love gallofan88 posts, he nails it every time.
#1 gallofan88 fan
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Post by hated sticky on Mar 20, 2017 8:56:36 GMT -5
Too late bro I claimed it first
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 20, 2017 9:43:57 GMT -5
jokic and nurk would have not play under karl- #1 karl small ball fan. another good point
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 20, 2017 9:56:18 GMT -5
You also think Karl would have given a 41st pick any real minutes? Serious question Karl would have went nuts for Jokic. Karl hated laziness, guys who didn't play defense, and stupid players. He loved ball movement. Mudiay would have been forgotten under Karl. Nurkic's defense would have got him on the floor. Jokic? That basketball IQ would have made Karl play him. Murray's effort on the defensive side of the ball would have got him minutes. It was a flaw for Karl. Guys like Najera, Anthony Carter, LK who played smart basketball were always in favor and guys like J.R/Melo/Kenyon who were better he disliked. It's like Iverson. Karl loved Iverson because of his heart and energy. I don't even like Karl. Malone has been inept. Karl was hard headed. For example I don't think Karl makes the switch and admits his mistakes like Malone did however think he's a better coach that would have had Jokic playing big minutes this season outta the gates. Also think he doesn't bench Nurkic, and someone like Murray gets better treatment. Murray would have got the Lawson role vs the up and down rollercoaster. could you just once act like you dont know what everyone is thinking? cause newsflash.. you dont. its not unrealistic to think that Karl and Nurkic would clash, but that doesnt fit your agenda, so Nurkic would obviously play.. because of his defense of all reasons. Karl wouldnt bench Nurkic?? so are we really back to the Jurkic lineup? let it go bro, it did not work. karl liking smart basketball players? more like Karl liking white basketball players.. why didnt he have the same beef with Birdman? and since when did Kleiza play "smart" basketball? Or did you just include him to fit your agenda? Murray's effort on the defensive end would get him minutes? You dont think any rookies we have had before tried on defense? do you realize who crazy cherry picking this is?? all i see is speculation and nothing definite Karl hated rookies he didnt trust. didnt matter if they tried on defense or had great bball IQ, he had to trust them and that took time (or injuries). Karl also thought the future of the league was going small, dont see how he would start both Nurkic and Jokic
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:00:36 GMT -5
Man, I hope we make the playoffs because reading hypothetical debates about what Karl would do with Jokic & Nurkic is depressing. Karl is gone. Nurkic is gone. Let's stick to bitching about Malone haha.
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Post by jimijam28 on Mar 20, 2017 10:06:46 GMT -5
how some act on here- ps i didnt know rock/eathb was a NW fan lol
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 20, 2017 10:09:59 GMT -5
there wasnt many or any experts who saw the insane talent in Jokic before he really broke out. Us as fans dont really count considering how biased and desperate for positive signs we are. even a broken clock is right twice a day so you all believe that Karl, despite no other coach or expert seeing it, will see the amazing talent in Jokic and play him despite all the years of evidence that proved his dislike of rookies? Faried would have never gotten a real chance had Nene gotten injured. i dont see the logic.. karl would still be working if he was this much better than EVERYONE else at talent evaluating. Except Jokic went off in the Olympics. Finished 3rd in rookie voting. He had flashes in his rookie season that at the very least screamed lets see what we have. NBA teams have accepted analytics and every franchise has guys in the FO that looks at that stuff. Jokic's advanced stats as a rookie were absurd. Even right now, it's why I don't give Jokic s**t. His numbers are ridiculous. To the point where realistically they'll need to come down abit because if they don't than he'll be an MVP talent and while I certainly think that's possible it's also pretty unlikely Jokic wins an MVP or finishes top 3. Very few coaches treat Jokic like Malone did. Same with Nurkic but to a far lesser extent. I mean Jokic saved our season. Malone came dangerous close to massively messing up. Kudo's to him for fixing his mistake, he still made that mistake tho. Alot of people saw it post draft. Jokic drank 3 litres of coca cola a day. Apparently at all the draft stuff Jokic was really overweight and his body was just brutal which is why he fell so hard. TC talked about it. I refuse to believe you couldn't see his talent in practice. That fans could see he deserved minutes, a media member like Zach Lowe was questioning Malone not playing Jokic, but NBA coaches wouldn't have been able to see it. He had his rookie year, offseason, Olympics, dropped 23/17 his second game of this year, followed that game with going at the Raptors lighting them up and got yanked and only saw like 20 minutes. Alot of people saw it. i dont get you, you get of on writing longs ass posts with no message Jokic had one great game during the Olympics, its not like he's the first player to do so. but what does this prove`? Jokic was a known name around the league after his rookie year, but you honestly dont see the difference between being promising and a star? So Zach Lowe and George Karl are the greatest basketball minds on the planet? and how you refuse to give Malone any credit is pathetic. Jokic saving the season and Malone massively massing it up? Malone mastermined the Jokic offense. you f***ing refure to look at the facts
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 20, 2017 10:13:55 GMT -5
you dont need to tell me the early signs of Jokic's talent, i saw f***ing every second of it.
but fact is that 99% of the basketball world didnt think he was a future star until midway this season. that is a fact
another fact is that Karl didnt trust rookies. fact. another fact is that Karl loved small ball and thought this was the way of the future.
just give me one fact to support how Karl would have done it so differently. Give me one fact on how Malone is massively f***ing everything up despite bringing a fat serbian kid from 41st overall quality to superstardom and a bottom3-5 team to the playoff race. those are the facts
what we think is irrelevant
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 20, 2017 10:19:36 GMT -5
its crazy to think Karl of all people would be more convinced by the talent and trust Jokic earlier than the man who f***ing drafted him out of the blue. As we all know how well TC and Malone communicate
the only reason i see for this is that it fits with your POV
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Post by Phonzie20 on Mar 20, 2017 10:35:21 GMT -5
what we think is irrelevant I understand this is a fan board and discussion is the main reason to visit, but the above comment is the one point we need to keep us grounded. This is not a make or break season for this team. Malone is scaring the jebeezus out of me, but not ready to start asking for his dismissal just yet. This is actually a fun team to watch knowing the potential of some pieces. I'm ready to see them in a playoff round but if it doesn't happen I won't consider it as a 'sky is falling' situation.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:56:14 GMT -5
I just love gallofan88 posts, he nails it every time. #1 gallofan88 fan Appreciate the love my friend! I still can't believe there are people who believe Karl would be playing Jokic/Nurkic/Murray more than like 5 mpg. Especially Jokic/Nurkic. If Karl was the coach of this team Faried would be the starting center.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 10:58:23 GMT -5
Of course this isn't a 'sky is falling' situation because the team is sub .500. You have to be up high before you can fall. Malone and his squad can't 'break' because they've not yet made it. What frustrates me is that I believe we are teetering on 'making it' by becoming a great team. Jokic is emerging to be an all-NBA star, Harris is looking great, and we have guys like Jauncho, Murray, and I hope Mudiay who could become good NBA players for future seasons ahead- maybe greatness for Murray? My concerns are Malone's inability to adapt to game situations (Barton getting the final shot against HOU is a good example), his reliance on vets even if they aren't doing well in a game, and make-money first KSE get in the way of letting the Nuggets teeter to greatness. I want to see the team succeed and I define the expectation of success for this season as a playoff appearance because we are in position to make it happen. It would be awesome to see Jokic and the squad get playoff experience. I hope it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 11:05:53 GMT -5
No Gallo/Chandler again tonight. They're hoping to be ready for Wednesday.
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Post by inyourmind on Mar 20, 2017 11:33:08 GMT -5
Except Jokic went off in the Olympics. Finished 3rd in rookie voting. He had flashes in his rookie season that at the very least screamed lets see what we have. NBA teams have accepted analytics and every franchise has guys in the FO that looks at that stuff. Jokic's advanced stats as a rookie were absurd. Even right now, it's why I don't give Jokic s**t. His numbers are ridiculous. To the point where realistically they'll need to come down abit because if they don't than he'll be an MVP talent and while I certainly think that's possible it's also pretty unlikely Jokic wins an MVP or finishes top 3. Very few coaches treat Jokic like Malone did. Same with Nurkic but to a far lesser extent. I mean Jokic saved our season. Malone came dangerous close to massively messing up. Kudo's to him for fixing his mistake, he still made that mistake tho. Alot of people saw it post draft. Jokic drank 3 litres of coca cola a day. Apparently at all the draft stuff Jokic was really overweight and his body was just brutal which is why he fell so hard. TC talked about it. I refuse to believe you couldn't see his talent in practice. That fans could see he deserved minutes, a media member like Zach Lowe was questioning Malone not playing Jokic, but NBA coaches wouldn't have been able to see it. He had his rookie year, offseason, Olympics, dropped 23/17 his second game of this year, followed that game with going at the Raptors lighting them up and got yanked and only saw like 20 minutes. Alot of people saw it. i dont get you, you get of on writing longs ass posts with no message Jokic had one great game during the Olympics, its not like he's the first player to do so. but what does this prove`? Jokic was a known name around the league after his rookie year, but you honestly dont see the difference between being promising and a star? So Zach Lowe and George Karl are the greatest basketball minds on the planet? and how you refuse to give Malone any credit is pathetic. Jokic saving the season and Malone massively massing it up? Malone mastermined the Jokic offense. you f***ing refure to look at the facts Yeah I have no message. It's just like the Melo trimble convo. It's funny you mention facts when you never have any to support your argument. It's like the Gallo thing. You used points per shot while ignoring volume. You just exaggerate whatever I say. Jokic didn't have one good Olympic game. He built hype. Promising players turn into star. It's rare for a guy that had that had Jokic's per minute efficiency, and those kinda advanced numbers while meeting the eye test and finishing 3rd in rookie voting after a successful offseason not to get unleashed. He literally was demoted his second season after 8 games. That's stupid. I saw multiple articles, fans, and some media members like Zach Lowe who IMO is probably the best in my eyes, atleast consensus top 5 for most basketball fans curious as to what was happening. Malone mastermined the Jokic offense? lmao It's Jokic running the offense through the high post. It's not super complicated. It's actually a really simple offense set, you just barely see it often because rarely does a C have like GOAT passing ability like Jokic does. Jokic will literally finish as a top 5 passing C of All-Time, maybe even higher. Malone gets credit for taking 1.5 years to realize this? Jokic saved are season. We were going nowhere and Jokic averaged like 19/11/6 on absurdddd efficiency when he got his job back, one that Malone let him throw away. I mean f**k Malone told everyone to lower there expectations with Jokic and be realistic because the veterans were all healthy... like he seriously said that pre Jokic break out. Where did I say George Karl was the greatest basketball mind in history? See like I said exaggerations to try and prove your point. I don't think you have to be even a great basketball mind to not remove Jokic from the starting unit and hilariously under utilize him. Malone had made multiple mistakes this year. Toying with Jokic, disgruntling Nurkic when this team needed defense, getting effort out of the players for stretches, drawing up plays down the stretch. People will s**t on Barton for the Houston game and fair enough but Malone is the coach he allowed it to happen. He's had inconsistent rotations, and overreacted to his lineups too much early in the season.
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Post by hated sticky on Mar 20, 2017 11:37:30 GMT -5
Jesus... blazers schedule is easy as f**k while we play a few contenders... get yo s**t together now
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Post by inyourmind on Mar 20, 2017 11:40:15 GMT -5
its crazy to think Karl of all people would be more convinced by the talent and trust Jokic earlier than the man who f***ing drafted him out of the blue. As we all know how well TC and Malone communicate the only reason i see for this is that it fits with your POV See this is hilarious. So now Malone drafted Jokic? Where are you getting that from? Sources, not opinions please. Nuggets didn't even think he was going to come over. He was suppose to sign with a Euro league team wasn't he? Didn't get the right offers/decided the NBA was the best place to get in shape. That is a source, not my opinion fyi. Nuggets weren't aware of what they had until he started playing. Remember his rookie season, the S.A game where Malone was like I have to start playing him or whatever. This year Malone had a beauty quote where he tells the media the veterans are back and healthy, and basically proves the whole he trusted Jokic thing bullshit until Jokic forced his hand. I don't even like Karl. I watched him coach for years and have read everything he's said about his coaching career. He loves high basketball IQ, passing, and guys without ego's. Jokic is like the perfect franchise guy for Karl.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Mar 20, 2017 11:47:05 GMT -5
We're already playing playoff basketball right now, so either way the kids are getting that experience of that win or go home pressure every night. That alone is extremely valuable and has made this season a net success in my eyes.
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