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Post by RMF on Mar 26, 2003 22:41:38 GMT -5
Couldn't help but notice D2R's disappearance almost perfectly timed with Whites emergence. Funny White's been doing all the things he should and his game has become much better all around. White's singing Bzdeliks praises. Everything some of us were hoping Rod would do. I'm sure D2R is taking the credit for this somewhere somehow.
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Post by rock on Mar 26, 2003 22:47:38 GMT -5
d2r was never banned permanently. in fact he probably would have been back now but he kept doing things to postpone it. and he went far over the line with his antics at DPO.
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Post by RMF on Mar 26, 2003 22:48:38 GMT -5
Lets have a link to dpo
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Post by rock on Mar 26, 2003 22:54:20 GMT -5
its all been deleted by the sysop over there after alot of complaints.
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Post by RMF on Mar 26, 2003 22:56:17 GMT -5
He wrecked the DPO?
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Post by rock on Mar 26, 2003 23:01:19 GMT -5
didnt wreck it but caused enough trouble...was the same ole jerk and made a very horrible comment. plus all that troll inviting hes done on espn...
he might be back but hes hurting his own cause.
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Post by ironclad on Mar 27, 2003 17:34:11 GMT -5
Rock, let D2R back in, I dont have a problem with the dude, for crying out load its just a nuggets message board, it aint a life and death matter, and the smack talking keeps this board going, plus nobody ever said having an opinion on hoops is bad, because the alternative is to have no opinion in which case it bores the hell out of me. I guess the only problem is with the people who decide what can or cannot be posted here, because if you curse at all they threaten to shut the whole board down. I just dont think anything that goes on here is serious enough for them to care, I know I dont.
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Post by rock on Mar 27, 2003 17:42:10 GMT -5
Rock, let D2R back in, I dont have a problem with the dude, for crying out load its just a nuggets message board, it aint a life and death matter, and the smack talking keeps this board going, plus nobody ever said having an opinion on hoops is bad, because the alternative is to have no opinion in which case it bores the hell out of me. I guess the only problem is with the people who decide what can or cannot be posted here, because if you curse at all they threaten to shut the whole board down. I just dont think anything that goes on here is serious enough for them to care, I know I dont. its not up to me. talk with egroves about it. he handles bannings now. i tried but it caused too many problems on both sides (i tried to please everyone and thats impossible). however, i do know when he comes back he has to change his posting style and habits somewhat. i wont tolerate what he used to do. |
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Post by egroves on Mar 27, 2003 18:13:43 GMT -5
Rock initially banned D2R (I was not on the board when he pulled his last stunt), but when I saw what he had posted, I thouroghly agreed with his decision. I have done all the other bans, and stand by them all.
In fact, many of the arguments that you make for him returning are the same ones I use for keeping the ban in place. It is just a Nuggets board, and whether he has the right to post here or not if of little significance. It is not like he is being tortured or essential liberties of free speech are being denied. His profanity-laced, insulting, argumentative, attacking posts went to a point where it was determined that it would not be tolerated anymore. We tried on numerous occasions to talk with him, edit/delete posts, and even give him warnings. None of these methods were at all effective, and the only remaining choice was to ban him. I still believe that this was the correct decision.
It is worth noting that the number of posts on the board has only dropped slightly since this happened. Also, the number of people posting has increased (there are admin tools that can run these reports). On top of that, the only posts that I have had to delete were from the trolls he invited from the GSW board. I have haven't had to use any mod rights with any of the regular members (other than occasionally moving a thread, which I consider to be more a matter of organization than anything). I believe that D2R was a catalyst for a good deal of the fighting and bickering on here, and by removing him the problems have decreased dramatically. For those reasons, the ban will remain in place until we decide otherwise.
If you have objections, feel free to PM me, or to send me a YIM (eg929394). Thx.
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Post by ironclad on Mar 27, 2003 19:37:59 GMT -5
Personally, the concept of banning someone from a free message board seems ridiculous. I realize that this is a Nuggets board but the bottom line is also that it is a free message board where you basically should be able to post what you want. I could see if this was some kind of board that charged a fee to access it, then you could only admit whoever you want, but a board like that would eventually become stale and die.
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Post by rock on Mar 27, 2003 20:45:23 GMT -5
Personally, the concept of banning someone from a free message board seems ridiculous. I realize that this is a Nuggets board but the bottom line is also that it is a free message board where you basically should be able to post what you want. I could see if this was some kind of board that charged a fee to access it, then you could only admit whoever you want, but a board like that would eventually become stale and die. absolutely not. its perfectly fair and warranted. this board wasnt made for him. he has to abide by the rules like everyone else - i.e. he gets treated like everyone else. myself included. im certainly NOT going to give anyone prefential treatment, especially someone who has shown NO respect to other posters or the board itself. he has had many many many (10 at least) chances to change and start following simple and absolutely necessary rules...and each time he has lied and failed. i am not saying "you cant disagree with me" or "dont swear" (proboards says that) or "be a saint" im saying very simply "do not attack other posters" - please tell me how this is unfair or unjust. he was going so far over the line you wouldnt believe. if im just going to let anyone do whatever they want then i might as well delete the board because it loses its purpose and im not going to waste any more of my time for people like that. he had equal access to the board and to be a respectul member like everyone else and enjoy it for what it is - a forum to discuss the nuggets among great nugget fans. but he decided thats not what he wanted. thats not my fault. he did this to himself. |
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Post by egroves on Mar 27, 2003 21:27:45 GMT -5
My $.02...
I fail to see how the fact that there is no charge to use the message board somehow removes the ability of the person who created it to shape it to the purpose for which it was created. This board was built by Rock so that Nuggets fans could have a place to talk without being harrassed by trolls from other teams (i.e. ESPN, and Lakers fans on the DPO board). So, in that perspective, it is different than say a street corner or a public park. The board is here to provide fans a place to talk about the Nuggets in a mature manner, showing a limited degree of respect to other posters. It is not too much to ask that people not pick fights, or attack others with posts containing every form of slander, slur, or profanity. So when you say that he "basically should be able to do what he wants", I respectfully disagree. If he wants to start his own no-holds-barred forum, go right ahead, but this is not it. This is a forum for Nuggets fans to talk about the Nuggets (or other stuff in its respective section), without tromping all over other posters. If that makes it boring and stale, so be it. I guess we just have different visions of what this forum is.
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Post by GhostOfCJackson on Mar 27, 2003 23:34:21 GMT -5
He apologized in the post below. He has been gone for awhile now and probably realizes that he can't pull anything on this board again. He knows he'll be under the microscope when he comes back and I doubt you would see this behavior again if you were to unban him.
I would also like to point out that other posters engaged in these fights and even started it some of them. You guys are trying to make it out like D2R attacked the poor helpless board and everyone was innocent except him. Shoot, even Rock particpated occasionally.
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Post by egroves on Mar 27, 2003 23:43:03 GMT -5
I would be sympathetic to that if he hadn't pulled the "I'm sorry, I won't do that anymore" routine time and time again. If he can't figure it out after the numerous warnings, why will a 2 week ban change it? He cried wolf one to many times....
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Post by GhostOfCJackson on Mar 27, 2003 23:49:49 GMT -5
But what did you do to punish him last time? Idle threats? 5 min bans? It obviously it didn't get the message across. I believe this did.
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Post by rock on Mar 28, 2003 0:08:54 GMT -5
But what did you do to punish him last time? Idle threats? 5 min bans? It obviously it didn't get the message across. I believe this did. how would we know? hes lied before. |
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Post by GhostOfCJackson on Mar 28, 2003 0:18:28 GMT -5
Why don't you find out. Its not like you can't ban him again.
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Post by GhostOfCJackson on Mar 28, 2003 0:19:50 GMT -5
how would we know? hes lied before. And I know because I know him personally. He hates posting on ESPN all of time. He'll clean up his act to come back. Trust me. |
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Post by rock on Mar 28, 2003 0:25:31 GMT -5
yeah but hes giving me that same 'ive changed i promise' story no less than 10 times.
and everytime he lied. every. time.
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Post by GhostOfCJackson on Mar 28, 2003 0:35:15 GMT -5
but you haven't banned him long term before. Actions speak louder than words.
Plus, even without the fights, the board was much more interesting with him on. That alone is worth another shot.
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