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Post by alchemist76 on Nov 17, 2024 20:29:07 GMT -5
Team will never win a game this season without Jokic and AG. I think I can make this statement with total confidence.
I think you just discovered warm water
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Post by passtheballquick on Nov 17, 2024 20:44:44 GMT -5
For mpj lovers: Bogdanovic alone would beat these 2 scrap teams, "alone"
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Post by BBBbbb on Nov 17, 2024 21:10:15 GMT -5
For mpj lovers: Bogdanovic alone would beat these 2 scrap teams, "alone" Not sure anybody is an MPJ lover. Being annoyed with you dick riding a guy currently relocated to G league doesn’t mean loving MPJ. |
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Post by GBG on Nov 17, 2024 21:37:19 GMT -5
For mpj lovers: Bogdanovic alone would beat these 2 scrap teams, "alone" Bogdanovic has played only one game this season, due to a hamstring injury. Whatever you think of MPJ, at least he plays this year. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Nov 17, 2024 22:38:17 GMT -5
Moved some posts out of this thread into the random thought / idea thread.
Please be cognizant of where you are posting, and keep politics out of all threads other than that thread.
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Post by freakns on Nov 18, 2024 5:05:25 GMT -5
not surprising loss... but again, its so bad, you cant even blame Jimijam for it.
I would say only one thing. Phoenix without KD and Beal scored 127 on Minnesota. Now, they did lose(Randle hit 3 in last second), but its exactly same situation. They were without their no1 and no3 players and still manage to score 127. Nuggets without their no1 and no3, in two games scored 94 and 90. Well, I guess Pels are one of the best defenses in the league? No, they are not, they are one of the worst. But we can pretend they are good... on other hand Memphis do have good defense, but so does Minnesota... just sayin'
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 5:42:59 GMT -5
This shows a lot of Booths incompetence. But the fact that Malone can’t get a competent performance ever without Jokic on the floor means he should shoulder a lot of blame as well He should get some blame, but Malone have been very successful in the regular season and playoffs with a bunch of different talented players. Now there is just so little actual talent on the team. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 5:44:07 GMT -5
not surprising loss... but again, its so bad, you cant even blame Jimijam for it. I would say only one thing. Phoenix without KD and Beal scored 127 on Minnesota. Now, they did lose(Randle hit 3 in last second), but its exactly same situation. They were without their no1 and no3 players and still manage to score 127. Nuggets without their no1 and no3, in two games scored 94 and 90. Well, I guess Pels are one of the best defenses in the league? No, they are not, they are one of the worst. But we can pretend they are good... on other hand Memphis do have good defense, but so does Minnesota... just sayin' Lack of talent. Lack of playmakers. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 5:57:07 GMT -5
Did we have to extend Murray this summer? Would he have become an UFA?
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Post by freakns on Nov 18, 2024 6:50:00 GMT -5
Did we have to extend Murray this summer? Would he have become an UFA? we didn't have to. he was under contract for this season. he would become UFA next season. so we could've wait and sign him during season... |
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Post by freakns on Nov 18, 2024 7:09:08 GMT -5
not surprising loss... but again, its so bad, you cant even blame Jimijam for it. I would say only one thing. Phoenix without KD and Beal scored 127 on Minnesota. Now, they did lose(Randle hit 3 in last second), but its exactly same situation. They were without their no1 and no3 players and still manage to score 127. Nuggets without their no1 and no3, in two games scored 94 and 90. Well, I guess Pels are one of the best defenses in the league? No, they are not, they are one of the worst. But we can pretend they are good... on other hand Memphis do have good defense, but so does Minnesota... just sayin' Lack of talent. Lack of playmakers. lack of adjustments. Malone is good defensive coach, and he is very good motivational coach. He is not offensive coach and he has no idea how to adjust during games. Nuggets in last 8 years were always team that starts strong, which is testament to Malone's great game preparations. But Nuggets rise in great clutch team started two years ago when Jokic starter calling plays in clutch. He would always call possession or two during games, but since 2022-23 he completely controls offense in clutch. So you could say, well Nuggets sux cause their playcaller is out. OK, cool. LeBron does same for Lakers. But Lakers doesn't crumble to pieces once LeBron is out. This year, we are really bad without Jokic, but in last 4-5 years Nuggets were notoriously bad without Jokic. So its not like he is surprised this is happening. He should've known this before season started and he has done nothing to address it. 2 years ago on world cup, Serbia won silver medal with only one player capable of creation, Bogdan Bogdanovic. but our offense wasnt suffering when Bogdan wasn't on the floor. Constant movement, screens, off ball actions... all of the guys played together. so its not impossible to create capable offense without prime shot creator. not to mention, both Jamal and Westbrrok should be better playmakers then Bogdan |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 7:43:36 GMT -5
We have won games without Jokic in the past. This definitely is more on Malone than Booth.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 7:46:48 GMT -5
Cant compare NT Fiba basketball to NBA. Playing the offense you describe require A LOT of talent. We/Booth went all in on defense.
I long talked about this teams identiy crisis, and my personal wish that they would prioritize offense more in decisionmaking. But they chose defense and having only Jokic and Murray as creators. When Murray then is too lazy to keep his game primed, then you fucked yourself.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 7:47:58 GMT -5
Cant sit and demand Malone to create beautiful offense with guys like Watson
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Post by JB on Nov 18, 2024 8:00:48 GMT -5
can definitely blame Malone for never playing the capable backup centers like Huff, Hartenstein, Vando etc that Calvin and Tim gave to him in the past.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 8:59:40 GMT -5
Sure. That doesnt mean you stop giving him good bench pieces tho lmao
Or sign a guy he does like; Plumlee
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 9:02:06 GMT -5
Also Hartenstein kept himself of the floor with insane foul rate. Vando took steps after leaving Denver. And literally no team signed Huff to a fulltime deal this summer, so cant pretend that was obvious.
And i dont really give that much s**t about backup C. In the playoffs we have Jokic and AG. I care about having zero playmakers outside of Jokic.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Nov 18, 2024 9:21:35 GMT -5
not surprising loss... but again, its so bad, you cant even blame Jimijam for it. I would say only one thing. Phoenix without KD and Beal scored 127 on Minnesota. Now, they did lose(Randle hit 3 in last second), but its exactly same situation. They were without their no1 and no3 players and still manage to score 127. Nuggets without their no1 and no3, in two games scored 94 and 90. Well, I guess Pels are one of the best defenses in the league? No, they are not, they are one of the worst. But we can pretend they are good... on other hand Memphis do have good defense, but so does Minnesota... just sayin' I put part of this on Malone and part of it on Murray. To be fair, Booker is just a whole other level of talent compared to Murray, and Booker is closer to being a #1 talent on a team. Having said that, Murray's flaws are getting more and more pronounced the farther we move away from the Championship season. His defense seems likes it's getting worse. Ryan Blackburn tried to say last night that outside of Murray's scoring and turnovers that he had a good game, and him and I must be watching two different Jamal Murray's. I thought his defense last night was atrocious. He was as much to blame or more for the miscommunications in transition, and he consistently got blown by, and really has not been giving much effort on that side of the floor. As for the Nuggets offense, just doesn't feel like their is any plan or structure to it. At least not anything consistent, watching Murray just pound the ball over and over or Murray running pick and roll and getting trapped, when he clearly doesn't have the burst to attack guys is ludicrous coaching. Watching Russ take mid-range jumpers when I've maybe seen him make 1 of those all season is also just poor execution, whether that's Russ freestyling or not, the staff is allowing it. When Russ simply catches and shoots 3's from the corners OR he is driving for lay-ups or passing to shooters he can be a + bench guy in 18-20 mpg, he shouldn't do anything else. But at the end of the day. Brawn 13 pts on 11 shots PWat 7 points on 7 shots 1-2 from 3 Saric 10 pts on 10 shots 2-5 from 3 Russ 12 pts on 10 shots 2-3 from 3 Strawther 19 pts on 13 shots 4-7 from 3 Those guys did enough to win the game. MPJ 10 pts on 12 shots 0-4 from 3 (also why did he only take or get 4 3 pointers in this game???) Murray 13 pts on 15 shots 1-6 from 3. The two guys who got paid alot of $ were 10-27 fg and 1-10 from 3. That's why we lost. On top of the fact that those two guys can't create or make stuff easy for the other guys. I mean we held MEM to 105 points, as bad as our defense looked at times, we should win 90% of our gamees we hold an opponent to 105. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Nov 18, 2024 9:29:45 GMT -5
This shows a lot of Booths incompetence. But the fact that Malone can’t get a competent performance ever without Jokic on the floor means he should shoulder a lot of blame as well He should get some blame, but Malone have been very successful in the regular season and playoffs with a bunch of different talented players. Now there is just so little actual talent on the team. I'd argue our supporting cast is as good or better then the championship season, at least as individual pieces. At end of the day, Murray and MPJ haven't stepped up in these situations enough, especially Murray. Take PHX they put up 127 in the loss, with 2 of their top 3 guys gone, but they also had Booker who put up 44 pts. Take DAL who beat OKC w/out Luka. Kyrie had 22 pts on 50% fg, and PJ Washington had 27 pts, there role players did similar stuff to what ours did, but the guys counted on to step up in those situations stepped up. IT's a combination of Murray and MPJ are overpaid relative to their actual talent to the point that it has effected us bringing in pieces below them, and the fact that Malone seems incapable of creating any type of offense outside of Jokic and all that Jokic does. People have complained about Malone since Finch left in 17'. Malone has preached and preached defense, but at end of day our offense while good is not some amazing system, it's simply Jokic. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Nov 18, 2024 10:21:23 GMT -5
He should get some blame, but Malone have been very successful in the regular season and playoffs with a bunch of different talented players. Now there is just so little actual talent on the team. I'd argue our supporting cast is as good or better then the championship season, at least as individual pieces. At end of the day, Murray and MPJ haven't stepped up in these situations enough, especially Murray. Take PHX they put up 127 in the loss, with 2 of their top 3 guys gone, but they also had Booker who put up 44 pts. Take DAL who beat OKC w/out Luka. Kyrie had 22 pts on 50% fg, and PJ Washington had 27 pts, there role players did similar stuff to what ours did, but the guys counted on to step up in those situations stepped up. IT's a combination of Murray and MPJ are overpaid relative to their actual talent to the point that it has effected us bringing in pieces below them, and the fact that Malone seems incapable of creating any type of offense outside of Jokic and all that Jokic does. People have complained about Malone since Finch left in 17'. Malone has preached and preached defense, but at end of day our offense while good is not some amazing system, it's simply Jokic. You could argue that but you would obviously be wrong. Rewatch this game if you have to People have complained about Malone since day one. Before that they complained about Shaw. Before that Karl. Fans complain about coaching. Every f***ing where |
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