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Post by voodoo on Oct 29, 2024 4:33:11 GMT -5
I'll take the W, but this is still as bad as it could be Thank you jimi |
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Post by freakns on Oct 29, 2024 4:58:17 GMT -5
ban voodoo
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 5:42:07 GMT -5
I love how Nuggets «experts» thought staggering MPJ with the bench was the obvious solution after game1
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 5:42:46 GMT -5
I just don't understand why no one other than Jokic ever passes from under the rim with 2-3 guys guarding them. Saric tried a few times |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 5:44:06 GMT -5
I'm going to cut AG a Lil slack. He's looked more himself tonight, but Murray and MPJ are so far from being competent it's not funny. Murray was great at the beginning. His energy level was peak. The problem with Murray is his condition. It costs him so much to be a quality player on both ends he runs out of gass. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 5:45:06 GMT -5
Mental midget with another collapse on D Who is the mental midget? And why |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 5:49:09 GMT -5
I’m not sure if anyone has looked at CB vs KCP to start the season, but it’s chalk and cheeses. Kudos to Booth We should be championship favorites and just barely won 1 of our first 3 games. Kudos to CB not Booth |
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Post by somborshuffle on Oct 29, 2024 5:53:21 GMT -5
Mental midget with another collapse on D Who is the mental midget? And why MPJ. Because he shrinks when pressured. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 6:13:00 GMT -5
Id love to see anyone using that phrase under legit preassure comparable
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 6:13:56 GMT -5
Most guys that was grilling LBJ when he was a Heat probably never made a game winner themself ever in their life
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 6:19:44 GMT -5
Was Saric just benched because he played terrible? No comments made post game?
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Post by Ring on Oct 29, 2024 7:32:21 GMT -5
Nuggets starters through 5 games:
Jamal Murray: 17 PPG on 35% shooting.
Christian Braun: 14.7 PPG on 56% shooting
Michael Porter Jr: 12.3 PPG on 35% shooting.
Aaron Gordon: 12.7 PPG on 40% shooting.
Nikola Jokic 32.3 PPG on 58% shooting.
I don't know guys. Seems to me like 2 starters are playing extremely good basketball and 3 are playing pretty bad basketball.
Also the guy that Braun replaced through 3 games: 5 PPG on 26% shooting.
The fact that people were trying to place blame on Braun for the starters having a 119 ORTG with Murray, MPJ and AG all shooting like complete s**t is just a joke to me. If you're saying in the future he may hurt the offense I'm OK with it. I disagree but I'm OK with it. Trying to paint those first 3 games as a CB/spacing issue is insane. Tell Murray/MPJ to make a wide open shot for fucks sake. How is spacing an issue when the Nuggets are still generating wide open looks all the time and Jokic is scoring at a historic pace?
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Post by Ring on Oct 29, 2024 7:36:12 GMT -5
Was Saric just benched because he played terrible? No comments made post game? Malone knew that the Nuggets needed to win a game so he benched Saric because he's atrociously bad at every single aspect of basketball as a Nugget so far. He's a sieve defensively, doesn't rebound and can't score. Would love to see Zeke out there tonight. |
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Post by Ring on Oct 29, 2024 7:37:32 GMT -5
What's scary is I don't think Murray is dogging it, he's just a step slow and has no explosion. Even on the play where he got blocked then grabbed his rebound scores and gets and 1, he's getting blocked contested alot and can't get by anyone. It's not that he's dogging it. He's badly out of shape though. We'll see if his explosiveness returns when he plays himself into game shape. Again, I'm not saying you're saying this but how the f**k is this a conversation for a professional athlete on a max contract? It's absolutely absurd. Not in shape is inexcusable to me. It's literally your job. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 29, 2024 8:05:08 GMT -5
For all our bench issues, and they are definitely issues, what it really comes down to us that Murrau, MPJ, and to a lesser extent AG are incompetent not playing with Jokic, and then Jokic cannot play 40 min a night going forward. So these other guys have to figure their crap out. Like Saric was poop trash last night, but in that same stint MPJ couldn't make anything with the bench. Ryan Blackburn had a great Stat on podcast. Nuggets starters play 24.1 minutes together. That is 6 more minutes together then next highest team. Other teams are blending starters and bench much more through whole game. Nuggets can do that because MPJ, Murray, and AG can't put up numbers without Jok. AND qere paying them like they can. We should be able to play lineups like
Russ, Strawther, PWat, MPJ, and Jok
Then also play
Murray Strawther, MPJ, AG, and Saric or Zeke and still put up good O numbers.
But we don't and I put mostly on MPJ, Murray, and AG who can't get buckets.
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Post by Ring on Oct 29, 2024 8:36:30 GMT -5
For all our bench issues, and they are definitely issues, what it really comes down to us that Murrau, MPJ, and to a lesser extent AG are incompetent not playing with Jokic, and then Jokic cannot play 40 min a night going forward. So these other guys have to figure their crap out. Like Saric was poop trash last night, but in that same stint MPJ couldn't make anything with the bench. Ryan Blackburn had a great Stat on podcast. Nuggets starters play 24.1 minutes together. That is 6 more minutes together then next highest team. Other teams are blending starters and bench much more through whole game. Nuggets can do that because MPJ, Murray, and AG can't put up numbers without Jok. AND qere paying them like they can. We should be able to play lineups like Russ, Strawther, PWat, MPJ, and Jok Then also play Murray Strawther, MPJ, AG, and Saric or Zeke and still put up good O numbers. But we don't and I put mostly on MPJ, Murray, and AG who can't get buckets. As I've said, it's because those players are not great players. They are not worth the money they are paid. Murray should be able to dominate other teams benches but he's incapable of beating anyone off the dribble and has been for the most of his career. MPJ can't create anything himself, nor can AG. So you can put those guys on with the bench but they're incapable of creating mismatches because they don't have the necessary skill or talent to get easy buckets. Most elite guards are capable of getting easy buckets. Murray is not an elite guard. His best skill is the ability to hit difficult shots. That's not what you want your best skill to be. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Oct 29, 2024 9:16:34 GMT -5
This thread had bad mojo late in the game, so I unstickied it, and then the comeback happened, and now it's stickied for the good mojo. YWDF.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 29, 2024 9:28:23 GMT -5
For all our bench issues, and they are definitely issues, what it really comes down to us that Murrau, MPJ, and to a lesser extent AG are incompetent not playing with Jokic, and then Jokic cannot play 40 min a night going forward. So these other guys have to figure their crap out. Like Saric was poop trash last night, but in that same stint MPJ couldn't make anything with the bench. Ryan Blackburn had a great Stat on podcast. Nuggets starters play 24.1 minutes together. That is 6 more minutes together then next highest team. Other teams are blending starters and bench much more through whole game. Nuggets can do that because MPJ, Murray, and AG can't put up numbers without Jok. AND qere paying them like they can. We should be able to play lineups like Russ, Strawther, PWat, MPJ, and Jok Then also play Murray Strawther, MPJ, AG, and Saric or Zeke and still put up good O numbers. But we don't and I put mostly on MPJ, Murray, and AG who can't get buckets. As I've said, it's because those players are not great players. They are not worth the money they are paid. Murray should be able to dominate other teams benches but he's incapable of beating anyone off the dribble and has been for the most of his career. MPJ can't create anything himself, nor can AG. So you can put those guys on with the bench but they're incapable of creating mismatches because they don't have the necessary skill or talent to get easy buckets. Most elite guards are capable of getting easy buckets. Murray is not an elite guard. His best skill is the ability to hit difficult shots. That's not what you want your best skill to be. I think we're in agreement. My point is just that, this is why we struggle because we SHOULD be able to blend those units, but it doesn't matter the unit, if it doesn't have Jok it struggles. which is just a sad indictment on Booth, Malone, MPJ, AG, and Murray. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 29, 2024 9:30:36 GMT -5
So I've been a Head or Asst HS Coach for nearly 20 years. Thought I'd break down a few games going forward quarter by quarter and then give some player grades if that interests anyone.
Here is 1st Quarter from last night. If I was better with video editing and stuff I'd break down plays I speak of in more detail.
1st Quarter
8:25 AG Late on switch, ends up fouling Poeltl
7:55 Braun w/ great drive.
7:00 Jokic Hedges then gets deflection. Been getting alot of these to start season.
6:36 MPJ and AG miscommunication on switch at top of key.
6:!4 Murray misses wide open 3
6:07 AG gives up dribble penetration and Barnes scores
6:01 Strawther first sub
5:31 Braun called for Charge on eurostep
4:31 Braun gets blown by Dick on closeout. Dick gets layup, Jokic not great contest.
4:20 AG TO on post up.
4:01 Jokic TO on full court pass
Nuggs up 24-21 and Russ comes in
Russ poor switch w/ PWat gives up straightline drive. Strawther has to over help. Corner 3!
3:07 Jok 3 Pointer! Nuggs up 27-24
2:47 Russ Post up with PWat on backside Dunker spot. Russ tries to thread pass to him TO. Just not good spacing with these two on court.
2:34 PWat and Russ slight hesitation on whether to switch off ball, THEY DON’T Russ then is trailing man who takes handoff curls and hits floater. PWat in a lot of miscommunications defensively!
2:16 Too much Porter trying to go off bounce the entire possession. We get nothing going to rim, then Porter takes contested 3! Bad offensive possession.
1:52 Watson gets fouled, but would of liked to see him go off two feet and finish with dunk.
1:52 Saric in for Jok. Nuggets up 3 points.
1:22 Russ drives kickout, they swing ball from corner, to wing, to MPJ at top of Key who is wide open! Clanks the 3. These are the possessions that kill bench when our max contract guys just kill us!
1:16 Missed 3 leads to transition. No one picks up Scottie Barnes, Saric comes up to pick him up, he passes for layup but PWat takes foul to prevent.
1:03 Westbrook drives Porter backdoors for lob and Westbrook doesn’t give a good pass and gets deflected OOB. Westbrook not good chemistry yet with other guys. This will take time.
0:53 Saric missed reverse layup and falls down 5 on 4 other way. TOR doesn’t score.
0:40 Russ with horrible shot. Dribbles down, no passes, just takes contested mid-range. These are the Russ plays that are demoralizing and kill our bench unit.
0:30 Another Russ PWat switch confusion. Layup with Saric trying to contest but just doesn’t have the ups.
0:04 Russ Saric PnR Russ hits Saric who catches and takes a bounce to try and score. Issue is Strawther’s man had set under the roll the whole time, and times the dribble and steals it. Saric has to be stronger with ball, but guarantee he never saw this guy. Russ needs to pass to Straw in corner who was wide open on this play. Russ has not been good on his PnR reads. Drive and kicks he’s fine but he struggles on these types of multiple read looks.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 9:35:35 GMT -5
Was Saric just benched because he played terrible? No comments made post game? Malone knew that the Nuggets needed to win a game so he benched Saric because he's atrociously bad at every single aspect of basketball as a Nugget so far. He's a sieve defensively, doesn't rebound and can't score. Would love to see Zeke out there tonight. Saric was bad but i also thought the Russ/Saric two man game actually was promising. Execution was horrific, but that could have been a tough night/bit of bad luck |
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