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Post by pie on Oct 27, 2024 6:51:23 GMT -5
A separate thread to track their game by game performance & stats, since they were our big off season acquistions
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Post by pie on Oct 27, 2024 6:54:25 GMT -5
Russell Westbrook
Game 1: -24 (team high)
Game 2: -13 (team high)
Dario Saric
Game 1: -6
Game 2: -12
Record: 0-2
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 27, 2024 8:03:50 GMT -5
Westbrook tbf have played solid+ defense
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 27, 2024 10:29:40 GMT -5
Westbrook tbf have played solid+ defense His on ball has been God and he's been disruptive but his off ball defense has not been good. |
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Post by JB on Oct 27, 2024 10:33:59 GMT -5
we're two games in the season so it's not panic station yet. Saric had an unbelievable run in the Olympics and Russ is Russ. these men are professionals, they will adjust and provide SOMETHING in terms of offensive production in the future. the biggest miss in the offseason was not replacing KCP with a veteran shooter when we had options. the fact Jokic of all people complained about that fact after the first game of the season says it all.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 27, 2024 10:38:46 GMT -5
Saric has earned absolutely nothing. I hesitate to call him "professional" given the state he turned up in.
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Post by JB on Oct 27, 2024 10:39:59 GMT -5
professional as in, he's been playing in the NBA for nearly a decade.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 27, 2024 20:26:38 GMT -5
Saric pre All Star last year: 47/40/86 splits
Saric post All Star last year: 40/11/60 splits
The last time he scored 10 points in an NBA game was early February. He played himself out of the rotation by March, got held out with knee soreness by early April, returned, and then was DNP-CD in the play-in game.
I should've done some reading on him earlier. Turns out he has a long history of losing complete confidence in his game for months at a time, and has ever since his days as a prospect. Last year the complete and total drop off in his ability to play basketball coincided with losing Chris Paul as his PNR partner.
We went out and got a notorious headcase who has significantly reduced mobility since his ACL injury and then gave him a team option.
Just have to hope he psyches himself back into being able to shoot a little bit. His ability to defend has long since left the building.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 27, 2024 22:57:01 GMT -5
I went back and re-watched 1st half from game vs. Clips. I'm not going to sit here and act like Saric was some stud or even played particularly well. BUT breaking down each play. Saric was responsible for 1 basket by LAC. KPJ sets a screen on Zubac they switch and Zubac seals him and scores. That's it. You can try and blame him for giving up a Harden lay-up, but that entire play is on PWat. PWat is initially on Harden. Saric man screens and Saric hedges, and then looks at PWat like what are you doing when PWat switches. Then Harden drives and PWat stands under the basket and gives zero help.
As for the rest of the half. Our biggest breakdown was we didn't get consistent rotation out of the corner on our hedges. Who were the main culprits. Unsuprsingly they were Murray and MPJ, with MPJ being the most egregious offender. In fact on re-watch I might say this is the worst I've seen MPJ play offensively and defensively combined. It was atrociously bad. On top of that. The lead swelled from 10 to 20 points not when Saric was in, but when Malone first goes to Russ, CB, Straw, AG, and Jok (Absolutely horrible spacing with this group), lead goes to 14, and then Malone goes with starters and lead balloons to 20. MPJ in a 2 minute spell misses two different rotations on defense, misses a wide open 3 on O, and then catches near paint gets doubled and turns it over.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 28, 2024 11:07:54 GMT -5
Saric pre All Star last year: 47/40/86 splits Saric post All Star last year: 40/11/60 splits The last time he scored 10 points in an NBA game was early February. He played himself out of the rotation by March, got held out with knee soreness by early April, returned, and then was DNP-CD in the play-in game. I should've done some reading on him earlier. Turns out he has a long history of losing complete confidence in his game for months at a time, and has ever since his days as a prospect. Last year the complete and total drop off in his ability to play basketball coincided with losing Chris Paul as his PNR partner. We went out and got a notorious headcase who has significantly reduced mobility since his ACL injury and then gave him a team option. Just have to hope he psyches himself back into being able to shoot a little bit. His ability to defend has long since left the building. Nba isnt the end all be all, saric looked very sharp in the summer |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 28, 2024 11:08:38 GMT -5
I went back and re-watched 1st half from game vs. Clips. I'm not going to sit here and act like Saric was some stud or even played particularly well. BUT breaking down each play. Saric was responsible for 1 basket by LAC. KPJ sets a screen on Zubac they switch and Zubac seals him and scores. That's it. You can try and blame him for giving up a Harden lay-up, but that entire play is on PWat. PWat is initially on Harden. Saric man screens and Saric hedges, and then looks at PWat like what are you doing when PWat switches. Then Harden drives and PWat stands under the basket and gives zero help. As for the rest of the half. Our biggest breakdown was we didn't get consistent rotation out of the corner on our hedges. Who were the main culprits. Unsuprsingly they were Murray and MPJ, with MPJ being the most egregious offender. In fact on re-watch I might say this is the worst I've seen MPJ play offensively and defensively combined. It was atrociously bad. On top of that. The lead swelled from 10 to 20 points not when Saric was in, but when Malone first goes to Russ, CB, Straw, AG, and Jok (Absolutely horrible spacing with this group), lead goes to 14, and then Malone goes with starters and lead balloons to 20. MPJ in a 2 minute spell misses two different rotations on defense, misses a wide open 3 on O, and then catches near paint gets doubled and turns it over. love seeing this! Respect |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 28, 2024 11:36:13 GMT -5
Saric pre All Star last year: 47/40/86 splits Saric post All Star last year: 40/11/60 splits The last time he scored 10 points in an NBA game was early February. He played himself out of the rotation by March, got held out with knee soreness by early April, returned, and then was DNP-CD in the play-in game. I should've done some reading on him earlier. Turns out he has a long history of losing complete confidence in his game for months at a time, and has ever since his days as a prospect. Last year the complete and total drop off in his ability to play basketball coincided with losing Chris Paul as his PNR partner. We went out and got a notorious headcase who has significantly reduced mobility since his ACL injury and then gave him a team option. Just have to hope he psyches himself back into being able to shoot a little bit. His ability to defend has long since left the building. Nba isnt the end all be all, saric looked very sharp in the summer Saric shot 31% from 3 (at the shorter international distance) and 65% from the FT line in four games against New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Slovenia, and Greece. Not exactly setting the world on fire, and yes, the NBA is the end all be all. The rules are different, the players are better, the pressure is higher, the season is longer. Facu looks like a good player in the international ruleset. If he's not shooting well he cannot help us at all. Period. 11% from 3 in the second half of last NBA regular season 31% from 3 in the Olympic qualifiers (shorter distance 3 point line) 12% from 3 in the NBA preseason 0/1 from 3 in 2 regular season games He has to shoot close to 40% for us on good volume. He absolutely has to. |
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Post by pie on Oct 29, 2024 15:02:30 GMT -5
Russell Westbrook
Game 3: -1
Dario Saric
Game 3: -9 in 5 minutes (lol)
Record: 1-2
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 17:19:14 GMT -5
Nba isnt the end all be all, saric looked very sharp in the summer Saric shot 31% from 3 (at the shorter international distance) and 65% from the FT line in four games against New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Slovenia, and Greece. Not exactly setting the world on fire, and yes, the NBA is the end all be all. The rules are different, the players are better, the pressure is higher, the season is longer. Facu looks like a good player in the international ruleset. If he's not shooting well he cannot help us at all. Period. 11% from 3 in the second half of last NBA regular season 31% from 3 in the Olympic qualifiers (shorter distance 3 point line) 12% from 3 in the NBA preseason 0/1 from 3 in 2 regular season games He has to shoot close to 40% for us on good volume. He absolutely has to. You only mention his shooting but say that if he cant shoot he offers nothing, what about his playmaking? You are purely focused on judging him on his shooting when he does in fact potentially offer more |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 17:23:36 GMT -5
Saric shot 31% from 3 (at the shorter international distance) and 65% from the FT line in four games against New Zealand, Dominican Republic, Slovenia, and Greece. Not exactly setting the world on fire, and yes, the NBA is the end all be all. The rules are different, the players are better, the pressure is higher, the season is longer. Facu looks like a good player in the international ruleset. If he's not shooting well he cannot help us at all. Period. 11% from 3 in the second half of last NBA regular season 31% from 3 in the Olympic qualifiers (shorter distance 3 point line) 12% from 3 in the NBA preseason 0/1 from 3 in 2 regular season games He has to shoot close to 40% for us on good volume. He absolutely has to. You only mention his shooting but say that if he cant shoot he offers nothing, what about his playmaking? You are purely focused on judging him on his shooting when he does in fact potentially offer more He has a career assist to turnover ratio of 3.0 to 2.3 per 36 minutes. He's only useful as a playmaker out of the pick and roll but nobody is going to bite if he's not a threat to score. |
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Post by nuggetshipster on Oct 29, 2024 17:35:29 GMT -5
Saric developed as a playmaker so using career averages is very misleading. Dont see the point in pretending he hasnt been a very good passer the last year. For club and country.
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 17:42:54 GMT -5
Saric developed as a playmaker so using career averages is very misleading. Dont see the point in pretending he hasnt been a very good passer the last year. For club and country. His passing wasn't enough to keep him from falling entirely out of the rotation for a Golden State squad that was even thinner than we are at the C position. And we don't have a Chris Paul or Steph Curry to receive his passes. At best he's a marginally better than average playmaker for a big guy. Woo hoo. |
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Post by wizardofcozz on Oct 29, 2024 17:57:51 GMT -5
Saric developed as a playmaker so using career averages is very misleading. Dont see the point in pretending he hasnt been a very good passer the last year. For club and country. His passing wasn't enough to keep him from falling entirely out of the rotation for a Golden State squad that was even thinner than we are at the C position. And we don't have a Chris Paul or Steph Curry to receive his passes. At best he's a marginally better than average playmaker for a big guy. Woo hoo. So I've chart Pick and Pops vs Pick and roll with Dario. It's a small sample size but it fits our issues with backup 5. We're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Same reason Huff never looked good even in his garbage minutes is we never use spacers at the 5 as spacers. IMO. |
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Post by famicommander on Oct 29, 2024 18:02:17 GMT -5
His passing wasn't enough to keep him from falling entirely out of the rotation for a Golden State squad that was even thinner than we are at the C position. And we don't have a Chris Paul or Steph Curry to receive his passes. At best he's a marginally better than average playmaker for a big guy. Woo hoo. So I've chart Pick and Pops vs Pick and roll with Dario. It's a small sample size but it fits our issues with backup 5. We're trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Same reason Huff never looked good even in his garbage minutes is we never use spacers at the 5 as spacers. IMO. In my opinion Saric is simply washed up. When his head is right he can still knock down shots, but that comes and goes for months at a time. He's a power forward whose reduced mobility after his knee surgery has forced him into an uncomfortable center role. I don't think he can consistently play defense well for us. I think he can play better than he has, but I also think he'll look like this for large stretches of time and we just have to accept it. To me, if he's not hitting shots then he shouldn't be on the floor at all. I'm not a coach and I don't know how best to get him good shots, but we need to figure something out. |
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Post by AbdulJabber on Oct 29, 2024 18:52:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the fit. I think Saric would thrive more in a halfcourt offense with lots of ball movement. Zeke might actually fit better in this system which is basically just run and chuck and all you want your big to do is rebound and maybe catch a lob here or there.
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