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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 8:33:38 GMT -5
Zeke 2.0. Shot 55% on layups. Big red flag. Would love him in a backup 4 role more than 5. If he develops well, can see him as AG replacement down the line. Anyway dont f**k up the guy by playing him out of position and work on his weaknesses but enforce and develop what he is got at. In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). CB is our starting 2, and Julian is a backup guard most likely...If Booth and especially Kroenke is not willing to go in 2nd apron they better upgrade backup 5 and 1 and move on from Zeke and Reggie. If our backup PG is Dennis or Micic and backup 5 is Theiss or Bitatdze i would feel much better going into the season knowing that in no way shape or form they are even thinking about moving on from one of Jamal/MPJ. Jamal,CB,MPJ,AG,Jokic into Dennis/Micic-Strawther-Watson-Holmes-Theiss/Bitatdze is a realistic 10 man rotation we are going to get without any major move this summer. Where'd you get his info on his % from different spots on the floor?
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 8:36:00 GMT -5
In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). Booth has been dropping hints for several weeks that suggested KSE told him not to enter the 2nd apron by re-signing KCP. Minus some last minute miracle where Zeke+Reggie are traded for nothing but a 2nd round pick to clear cap space, it appears increasingly likely KCP is not back next season with Denver. I do believe after the Holmes pick Calvin has plans to trade Zeke but more of a salary swap deal that doesn't change the Nuggets cap space much if at all. Yes i agree. Zeke and Reggie make something like 12 million combined? That's enough room to upgrade backup 1 an 5 with some of the names like i mentioned prior. Backup 5 is easier to acquire via vet minimum and be fine in the regular season given that we are not even using backup 5 in the playoffs. Backup point guard is the position we absouloutlely must improve on and hit good. Both for regular season and for the playoffs. Both as Jamal backup and as someone that can play in the starting 5 if/when Jamal gets hurt. We need a durable/servicable/experienced point guard. Not many available in the league in any price range. Brogdon situation may be interesting and maybe we can trade for him without waiting for him getting into buyout market. But on the other hand he has some injuries history in last couple of years. From fit/talent/need my #1 choice would be Brogdon, but Dennis/Micic is more of a safe bet. Who knows.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 8:39:54 GMT -5
In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). Booth has been dropping hints for several weeks that suggested KSE told him not to enter the 2nd apron by re-signing KCP. Minus some last minute miracle where Zeke+Reggie are traded for nothing but a 2nd round pick to clear cap space, it appears increasingly likely KCP is not back next season with Denver. I do believe after the Holmes pick Calvin has plans to trade Zeke but more of a salary swap deal that doesn't change the Nuggets cap space much if at all. By not going into the 2nd apron we can aggregate salary, which means we can combine Zeke and Reggie plus picks to bring back one guy. This is just hypothetical but for example, we could trade Zeke + Reggie (9 million total) for someone like say Miles Bridges. Now obviously, that isn't going to be the trade, but it shows they can combine them, plus probably adding draft capital to sweeten the deal to bring in a better player back. I'm hoping they can do something where they throw in Picket or Tyson, plus draft picks and bring back say...Bogdanovic, but we'll see, that's probably a pipe dream.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 8:41:28 GMT -5
Booth has been dropping hints for several weeks that suggested KSE told him not to enter the 2nd apron by re-signing KCP. Minus some last minute miracle where Zeke+Reggie are traded for nothing but a 2nd round pick to clear cap space, it appears increasingly likely KCP is not back next season with Denver. I do believe after the Holmes pick Calvin has plans to trade Zeke but more of a salary swap deal that doesn't change the Nuggets cap space much if at all. Yes i agree. Zeke and Reggie make something like 12 million combined? That's enough room to upgrade backup 1 an 5 with some of the names like i mentioned prior. Backup 5 is easier to acquire via vet minimum and be fine in the regular season given that we are not even using backup 5 in the playoffs. Backup point guard is the position we absouloutlely must improve on and hit good. Both for regular season and for the playoffs. Both as Jamal backup and as someone that can play in the starting 5 if/when Jamal gets hurt. We need a durable/servicable/experienced point guard. Not many available in the league in any price range. Brogdon situation may be interesting and maybe we can trade for him without waiting for him getting into buyout market. But on the other hand he has some injuries history in last couple of years. From fit/talent/need my #1 choice would be Brogdon, but Dennis/Micic is more of a safe bet. Who knows. Whoever it is, has to be able to play both WITH Jamal and WITHOUT him. Reggie was incapable being able to play alongside Jamal.
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 8:44:20 GMT -5
Zeke 2.0. Shot 55% on layups. Big red flag. Would love him in a backup 4 role more than 5. If he develops well, can see him as AG replacement down the line. Anyway dont f**k up the guy by playing him out of position and work on his weaknesses but enforce and develop what he is got at. In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). CB is our starting 2, and Julian is a backup guard most likely...If Booth and especially Kroenke is not willing to go in 2nd apron they better upgrade backup 5 and 1 and move on from Zeke and Reggie. If our backup PG is Dennis or Micic and backup 5 is Theiss or Bitatdze i would feel much better going into the season knowing that in no way shape or form they are even thinking about moving on from one of Jamal/MPJ. Jamal,CB,MPJ,AG,Jokic into Dennis/Micic-Strawther-Watson-Holmes-Theiss/Bitatdze is a realistic 10 man rotation we are going to get without any major move this summer. Where'd you get his info on his % from different spots on the floor? It was mentioned on the draft podcast i watched last night. That he is very good at finishing thru contact via dunks but that he was making only 55% on contested layups within 3ft. Maybe it's something, maybe it's nothing, but it sounds like Zeke's layup package. I am excited about the guy, dont get me wrong, but not as a backup 5. PF is where i see him long term with his frame and skill set. Also, regular season whistle and playoff whistle is sky and earth. If he is ever to crack a playoff rotations he will be used in PF role. If we are buying couple of minutes for Jokic in the playoffs it's gotta be a combination of AG+(Theiss/Bitatdze for a minute or 2) not Holmes. But on the other hand i am super excited that Holmes can develop into a AG 2.0 with more of a spacer and less of a dunker spot forward down the line.
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Post by voodoo on Jun 27, 2024 9:00:26 GMT -5
Zeke 2.0. Shot 55% on layups. Big red flag. Would love him in a backup 4 role more than 5. If he develops well, can see him as AG replacement down the line. Anyway dont f**k up the guy by playing him out of position and work on his weaknesses but enforce and develop what he is got at. In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). CB is our starting 2, and Julian is a backup guard most likely...If Booth and especially Kroenke is not willing to go in 2nd apron they better upgrade backup 5 and 1 and move on from Zeke and Reggie. If our backup PG is Dennis or Micic and backup 5 is Theiss or Bitatdze i would feel much better going into the season knowing that in no way shape or form they are even thinking about moving on from one of Jamal/MPJ. Jamal,CB,MPJ,AG,Jokic into Dennis/Micic-Strawther-Watson-Holmes-Theiss/Bitatdze is a realistic 10 man rotation we are going to get without any major move this summer. Vlatko will be in the mix
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Post by scooter on Jun 27, 2024 11:04:48 GMT -5
I almost always disagree with folks who think a guy who played C his whole life is going to transition to forward at the NBA level and I disagree that Holmes is too small to play C. The Nuggets won a championship with AG — and Holmes is quite a bit bigger — playing backup C. The Celtics just won a title with Horford — who is smaller than Holmes, with a shorter standing reach and wingspan — playing most of the center minutes. Even Porzingis is more of an outside pick and pop player than an inside guy other than blocking the occasional shot.
I get it that there are still some old school, very big guys with limited skills, playing center in the NBA (mostly off the bench). But with the modern screening game — teams running 4-5 screens in single possessions and very few moving screen calls— and teams that have good three point shooters all over the court — guys have to be able to defend all over the court.
The Finals we just watched had Tatum playing PF for the Celtics and 6’8” (in shoes) Washington playing PF for the Mavs. Last year’s Heat Finals team had 6’6” Martin playing most of the PF minutes and even smaller guys playing the other PF minutes. Holmes is nothing like these guys. Holmes is almost exactly the same size as Adebayo and the Heat — with very smart management — have never tried to switch him to forward. At the draft combine, Holmes weighed more than Ware and Missi, the centers drafted 15th and 21st.
It seems like Nuggets’ fans perspective on this is too heavily influenced by Nnaji’s failure at the NBA level, especially when it comes to rebounding. But Nnaji has shaky hands in addition to the fact that far too much of his height is made up of neck. At this point, its still just hope with Holmes, but if Booth is correct that Holmes has very good hands, he’ll probably be better than Nnaji as a backup C.
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jun 27, 2024 12:04:23 GMT -5
^^^^ Holmes merely having the ability to catch the ball at all, would be a major improvement in production over Nnaji.
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 12:20:42 GMT -5
Holmes sees himself as a PF, Booth sees him as a PF, logic says that he should be developed as a PF at NBA level, but hey, NT knows better.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 27, 2024 13:57:40 GMT -5
Holmes sees himself as a PF, Booth sees him as a PF, logic says that he should be developed as a PF at NBA level, but hey, NT knows better. If Booth wants the kid to play PF he should probably, you know, add an NBA quality backup center to the roster. Because DJ and Zeke ain't it.
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Jun 27, 2024 14:28:53 GMT -5
Anyone see the Nuggets doing anything tonight? Or are we done for right now? Still don't see why they had to split the draft into two nights. Nowhere near as grand in scale as say the NFL draft.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 27, 2024 14:38:16 GMT -5
Nope we are done
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Post by famicommander on Jun 27, 2024 14:38:25 GMT -5
Anyone see the Nuggets doing anything tonight? Or are we done for right now? Still don't see why they had to split the draft into two nights. Nowhere near as grand in scale as say the NFL draft. If Booth is serious about bringing back DJ, Vlatko, and Holiday we're pretty much set besides two-ways. Murray/Jackson/Pickett Braun/Strawther/Holiday MPJ/Watson/Tyson Gordon/Cancar/Nnaji Jokic/Holmes/Jordan We need to trade Nnaji, Jackson, Pickett, and Tyson but nobody will give us anything for them. Basically we swapped out KCP for a rookie C/PF and got Vlatko back from injury.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 27, 2024 14:50:44 GMT -5
God Calvin sucks if we are done, rock mode
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 14:55:16 GMT -5
If we go in the season as is, Booth is as good as gone. We are not winning s**t if we dont improve our depth. Strawther,CB,Watson,Holmes,Zeke,Pickett? You wanna win a chip with 6 rotation players on rookie deals? I made my peace that Kroenke will not allow and Booth is not willing to even entertain trading one of MPJ/Jamal but if he is going to let KCP walk he better find a way to move on from Reggie and Zeke and improve at backup 1 and 5 with Brogdon/Theiss for instance. Anything less than that, he should be fired before the season even starts.
People are bashing him for losing Bruce, but he was the one that brought him in in the first place. People are bashing him for (most likely) letting KCP walk, but that is more Josh and Kroenke not willing to go in 2nd apron + spend extra $ than him. Also, Booth is the one that finally pulled the trigger on moving on from Barton for KCP. What he did at this time 2 years ago will be written in golden letters in Nuggets history. He gave us the championship roster and i will be forever grateful for that, but to gamble with kids + Reggie/Zeke/DJ/Holiday during Jokic prime is firable offense.
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Post by famicommander on Jun 27, 2024 15:01:30 GMT -5
He mentioned DJ as our Haslem but I think Holiday can be our Haslem while also being a potentially useful guy.
Please, let DJ walk. Everybody here loves him but we cannot have our bench big man depth behind the starters going into the playoffs be DJ, Zeke, Vlatko, and a rookie.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 15:03:19 GMT -5
If we go in the season as is, Booth is as good as gone. We are not winning s**t if we dont improve our depth. Strawther,CB,Watson,Holmes,Zeke,Pickett? You wanna win a chip with 6 rotation players on rookie deals? I made my peace that Kroenke will not allow and Booth is not willing to even entertain trading one of MPJ/Jamal but if he is going to let KCP walk he better find a way to move on from Reggie and Zeke and improve at backup 1 and 5 with Brogdon/Theiss for instance. Anything less than that, he should be fired before the season even starts. People are bashing him for losing Bruce, but he was the one that brought him in in the first place. People are bashing him for (most likely) letting KCP walk, but that is more Josh and Kroenke not willing to go in 2nd apron + spend extra $ than him. Also, Booth is the one that finally pulled the trigger on moving on from Barton for KCP. What he did at this time 2 years ago will be written in golden letters in Nuggets history. He gave us the championship roster and i will be forever grateful for that, but to gamble with kids + Reggie/Zeke/DJ/Holiday during Jokic prime is firable offense. The Reggie/Zeke roster spots are just mind boggling. Have to find a Combo G who can both play with and without Jamal. It's a key to our success going forward imo.
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Post by rock on Jun 27, 2024 15:03:29 GMT -5
Anyone see the Nuggets doing anything tonight? Or are we done for right now? Still don't see why they had to split the draft into two nights. Nowhere near as grand in scale as say the NFL draft. If Booth is serious about bringing back DJ, Vlatko, and Holiday we're pretty much set besides two-ways. Murray/Jackson/Pickett Braun/Strawther/Holiday MPJ/Watson/Tyson Gordon/Cancar/Nnaji Jokic/Holmes/Jordan We need to trade Nnaji, Jackson, Pickett, and Tyson but nobody will give us anything for them. Basically we swapped out KCP for a rookie C/PF and got Vlatko back from injury. So glad we won our title because our contending days are over. Losing KCP will hurt We have the worst bench by far of any playoff team.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 27, 2024 15:03:39 GMT -5
I don't expect anything to be done today for CBA/apron reasons, except *possibly* buying a late second round pick for cash if someone Booth really likes keeps dropping. With KCP opting out, once the new NBA year begins (I don't remember if the official date is June 30 or July 1) the Nuggets will be under the second apron and can therefore make trades using multiple aggregated contracts, as well as picks one year farther out in the future. That's when we'd be more likely to see a Reggie/Zeke/pick kind of trade.
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 15:07:41 GMT -5
Imagine if we let KCP walk and go in the season as is, if Jokic was not Jokic but Durant,Giannis or some other top tier superstar. He would demand a trade on a first day of training camp. Thank god we dont have to worry about him on that front. If you give him 4 rookies in starting lineup he would still play and act as nothing has changed.
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