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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 26, 2024 22:45:05 GMT -5
We sent 3 2nd round picks to move up 6 slots in a bad draft? Edit: if he turns into a rotational player this year, it’ll be worth it All the experts are saying this is a bad draft...but I always wonder what people actually mean when they say a draft is good or bad. I think most of the time they mean there aren't a bunch of franchise-level guys at the top. Like the 2000 draft, the top 5 guys were all pretty meh, whereas the 1984 draft had a bunch of incredible guys at the top. But basically every draft, you can count on about 3 guys picked in the 20s and a couple more in the 30s to be NBA role players or better. Guys like Mason Plumlee or Mo Pete. On occasion you get a really good one like Jimmy Butler at 30. But really just like, if you can get the Wayne Ellington tier player and not the Victor Claver tier player, that's a win in the 20s and 30s, and there are loads of those guys available.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jun 26, 2024 22:50:39 GMT -5
That was a good off season yawn
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jun 26, 2024 23:16:35 GMT -5
I hope we can come up with another trade (or "cash considerations") to get into the early 2nd, given that Filipowski is still on the board. Booth is already talking about how he sees Holmes as a PF going forward, so why not go get a good C to go with him?
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Post by AbdulJabber on Jun 26, 2024 23:23:25 GMT -5
I'm honestly surprised we moved up for a guy. I like it though. Everyone was so pessimistic going into this draft that this feels like a huge win for us now.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jun 26, 2024 23:23:32 GMT -5
Meh I'd rather just sign a vet center to the minimum. Someone you know for sure is good for 10-15 min a night. Feels like more than half our roster is made up of guys with 2 years or less of NBA experience. I'm completely fine with only taking one rookie into this season and using the rest of the roster spots on vets.
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Post by scooter on Jun 26, 2024 23:53:41 GMT -5
I hope we can come up with another trade (or "cash considerations") to get into the early 2nd, given that Filipowski is still on the board. Booth is already talking about how he sees Holmes as a PF going forward, so why not go get a good C to go with him? No offense, but that doesn’t make sense to me. Holmes has 1” more standing reach and 2.5” more wingspan than Filipowski. To quote myself, you don’t play basketball with your head, so how is the latter more of a center?
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Post by duh88 on Jun 27, 2024 1:36:07 GMT -5
I was antagonistic towards taking Holmes. In comparison to the other big-men available at the spot (Tyler Smith, Missi, etc) I felt like Holmes was slower. I also worry that Holmes's shooting is a mirage, and will actually fail once he has the pressure of NBA timing placed on him, where defenders are bigger and quicker.
If it were up to me, I keep 28 and 56, and go after Tyler Smith and Jamal Shead (or some of the other prospects I noted in the other thread).
With that - Holmes is damn good at passing, meaning Jokic-ball lite can potentially continue for the bench unit - and I absolutely love his attitude. Now that I watch more tape, Holmes's use of power and size, along with sound mechanics, is very appealing. He's not afraid to go into the paint, and I do think his quickness is good enough to guard the perimeter. Overall - I hope I'm wrong on my initial assessment - I hope this kid kicks ass.
Calvin's drafting is usually excellent. Braun and Peyton were homerun hits. I do think Strawther will turn into a very good pick for the position. Even Tyson - Tyson's college tape, for the pick we had, showed a guy who could get buckets at will and shoot the mid-range. I'm honestly still excited for Tyson's development (don't @ me). But Pickett? Still can't wrap my head around that pick - there were other PG's with more talent available, imo. But on the whole - Calvin does a great job of finding the best player at each pick. I'm rarely wrong when I eye talent, which is why I'm being tough about Holmes.
Now that said - all Holmes has to do is give us 10 to 15 quality mins a night - judging by his attitude, I think he's going to be eager to follow through on it. He will get his chance.
In regard to trading up, we had to do it. Most mock drafts had Holmes going in the early 20's. He had started in the second round when mocks first came out, but word clearly got around that the kid is talented. For his size, he has good quickness and great mechanics - of course, a great attitude always helps. So I can see why Holmes vaulted his way up the draft ladder quickly.
In other draft news - I continue to be impressed by TC. Rob Dillingham doesn't have "star" speed to me - but at minimum, he'll be a good scorer off the bench (at minimum - could be more). Terrance Shannon will be a replacement for McDaniels, once that 2nd apron hits hard and a player has to be traded.
TC basically shored up Minny's bench for the next 5 seasons. That was a great move on his part. Minny remains our only competition and they got better tonight (barring a potential trade of McDaniels or Naz, due to second apron).
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jun 27, 2024 3:23:41 GMT -5
Good trade, good pickup. I watched about 5-6 Dayton Flyers games last season, Holmes was a big part of their success (which to me was underrated last season because Dayton was really, really good).
Holmes is athletic, a quick first step for a 4 man, can attack from the perimeter. Great finishing and he’s a really solid passer. Had some nice assists when reading the defense when they focused on him on postups. Great shot blocker. I really wanna see him with Peyton Watson out there. Braun, Watson, now Holmes, nuggets looking to keep adding defense.
Holmes can also shoot, I think he was close to 40% from 3. Can switch on PNRs. He’s too light and a little bit too small to play 5, but he can play 4 and small ball 5.
A (staggered) Bench lineup of Holmes-Watson-X-Braun-Murray might be fun fun and is not getting outscored 12-0 in 2 minutes without Jokic.
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jun 27, 2024 3:24:54 GMT -5
Still struggling to find a good NBA comp for him. Was thinking Myles Turner, but smaller? Pre-NBA Zeke Nnaji comes to mind, sadly, too
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jun 27, 2024 3:59:40 GMT -5
Utah, btw, had two huge steals. Cody Williams, from CU, who was the #1 ranked HS player last season at #10 (was projected to be 5-8) and then Isaiah Collier, my favorite PG in the draft (probably also a top-2/3 in the class) at #29!!! Insane. Great draft for them.
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Post by pie on Jun 27, 2024 5:27:49 GMT -5
Buy two or three 2nd rounders today to draft these guys:
-Kyle Filipowski
-Bronny James (to troll the Lakers)
-Nikola Djurisic or Juan Nunez
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 27, 2024 5:32:04 GMT -5
Man i hate that Pickett gonna waste a roster spot for all these years, like we have no spots
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 27, 2024 5:33:16 GMT -5
Id use a 2nd just to dump him
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jun 27, 2024 6:52:50 GMT -5
I have the same attitude towards the draft that I do every year. I don't really watch college or overseas ball so I don't know s**t about any of these guys. After the picks are announced I go look at some tape of them, then I watch them in Summer League, then I decide what I think. Every year? Man you have missed out on a lot of fun Nuggets selection Lawson or Nuggets selecing Faried has been some of the most hype Nuggets moments for me
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 7:58:05 GMT -5
I was antagonistic towards taking Holmes. In comparison to the other big-men available at the spot (Tyler Smith, Missi, etc) I felt like Holmes was slower. I also worry that Holmes's shooting is a mirage, and will actually fail once he has the pressure of NBA timing placed on him, where defenders are bigger and quicker. If it were up to me, I keep 28 and 56, and go after Tyler Smith and Jamal Shead (or some of the other prospects I noted in the other thread). With that - Holmes is damn good at passing, meaning Jokic-ball lite can potentially continue for the bench unit - and I absolutely love his attitude. Now that I watch more tape, Holmes's use of power and size, along with sound mechanics, is very appealing. He's not afraid to go into the paint, and I do think his quickness is good enough to guard the perimeter. Overall - I hope I'm wrong on my initial assessment - I hope this kid kicks ass. Calvin's drafting is usually excellent. Braun and Peyton were homerun hits. I do think Strawther will turn into a very good pick for the position. Even Tyson - Tyson's college tape, for the pick we had, showed a guy who could get buckets at will and shoot the mid-range. I'm honestly still excited for Tyson's development (don't @ me). But Pickett? Still can't wrap my head around that pick - there were other PG's with more talent available, imo. But on the whole - Calvin does a great job of finding the best player at each pick. I'm rarely wrong when I eye talent, which is why I'm being tough about Holmes. Now that said - all Holmes has to do is give us 10 to 15 quality mins a night - judging by his attitude, I think he's going to be eager to follow through on it. He will get his chance. In regard to trading up, we had to do it. Most mock drafts had Holmes going in the early 20's. He had started in the second round when mocks first came out, but word clearly got around that the kid is talented. For his size, he has good quickness and great mechanics - of course, a great attitude always helps. So I can see why Holmes vaulted his way up the draft ladder quickly. In other draft news - I continue to be impressed by TC. Rob Dillingham doesn't have "star" speed to me - but at minimum, he'll be a good scorer off the bench (at minimum - could be more). Terrance Shannon will be a replacement for McDaniels, once that 2nd apron hits hard and a player has to be traded. TC basically shored up Minny's bench for the next 5 seasons. That was a great move on his part. Minny remains our only competition and they got better tonight (barring a potential trade of McDaniels or Naz, due to second apron). Shannon Jr. is an absolute stud, and was the kid I was highest on in the late 1st round, him and Jaylon Tyson.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 8:01:32 GMT -5
Still struggling to find a good NBA comp for him. Was thinking Myles Turner, but smaller? Pre-NBA Zeke Nnaji comes to mind, sadly, too He possibly projects as a Naz Reid type IF (Big IF) he can consistently shoot from outside! I'm still concerned on that front, as guys who shoot low 70% from FT line don't typically shoot it well from deep! Naz was only 73% from FT line his one year in college which is higher than any season for Holmes. Having said that, he's also a pick and roll guy who can finish and dunk, and he was a much better shot blocker than Nnaji ever was, as well as passer, so his skillset is much more refined than Nnaji ever was.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Jun 27, 2024 8:02:32 GMT -5
Man i hate that Pickett gonna waste a roster spot for all these years, like we have no spots I've never understood the Pickett pick! Not seeing a player who will ever play a meaningful minute in the NBA.
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Post by Dante on Jun 27, 2024 8:13:14 GMT -5
Zeke 2.0. Shot 55% on layups. Big red flag. Would love him in a backup 4 role more than 5. If he develops well, can see him as AG replacement down the line. Anyway dont f**k up the guy by playing him out of position and work on his weaknesses but enforce and develop what he is got at.
In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). CB is our starting 2, and Julian is a backup guard most likely...If Booth and especially Kroenke is not willing to go in 2nd apron they better upgrade backup 5 and 1 and move on from Zeke and Reggie. If our backup PG is Dennis or Micic and backup 5 is Theiss or Bitatdze i would feel much better going into the season knowing that in no way shape or form they are even thinking about moving on from one of Jamal/MPJ.
Jamal,CB,MPJ,AG,Jokic into Dennis/Micic-Strawther-Watson-Holmes-Theiss/Bitatdze is a realistic 10 man rotation we are going to get without any major move this summer.
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 27, 2024 8:15:06 GMT -5
Still struggling to find a good NBA comp for him. Was thinking Myles Turner, but smaller? Pre-NBA Zeke Nnaji comes to mind, sadly, too He possibly projects as a Naz Reid type IF (Big IF) he can consistently shoot from outside! I'm still concerned on that front, as guys who shoot low 70% from FT line don't typically shoot it well from deep! Naz was only 73% from FT line his one year in college which is higher than any season for Holmes. Having said that, he's also a pick and roll guy who can finish and dunk, and he was a much better shot blocker than Nnaji ever was, as well as passer, so his skillset is much more refined than Nnaji ever was. I'm just trying to understand what the point of having Zeke on this roster is now as the Holmes pick suggets the same thing. Hopefully this means Calvin has a trade up his sleeve during this afternoon's 2nd round that dumps Zeke for something they still need (backup 3/4 that can score).
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Post by wicked3line on Jun 27, 2024 8:24:22 GMT -5
In other news, KCP is 99% gone (who watched Booth interview and can read between the lines). Booth has been dropping hints for several weeks that suggested KSE told him not to enter the 2nd apron by re-signing KCP. Minus some last minute miracle where Zeke+Reggie are traded for nothing but a 2nd round pick to clear cap space, it appears increasingly likely KCP is not back next season with Denver. I do believe after the Holmes pick Calvin has plans to trade Zeke but more of a salary swap deal that doesn't change the Nuggets cap space much if at all.
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