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Post by famicommander on Mar 27, 2024 23:50:20 GMT -5
Jokic only scored 22 in 42 minutes ahainst Eubanks and Thad Young. I hate saying this but Embiid and Giannis would never do this. You know what Embiid would do? Miss the game entirely because he's been hurt badly literally 11 years in a row. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 27, 2024 23:53:35 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team.
With our starting 5 + CB and Pwat you need 2 more pieces at PG and PF/C spot and 6 players above + 2nd round picks could easily give you quality backup players like Gafford and Tyus Jones for example. Don't sell me that "cap strapped" BS please.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 27, 2024 23:54:33 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. Literally half of those dudes have a championship ring. |
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Post by sawyeral on Mar 27, 2024 23:55:06 GMT -5
We were cap strapped. Calvin only erred in taking three picks and putting two of them, both 2nd rounders, on regular roster. CG also should have been given standard contract, but that’s a bit in hindsight. Tyson and Pickett on regular contract killed our chances to improve at trade deadline and in buyout market. Should have actually left one roster spot open until then. Suns were cap strapped. Look at their moves in the summer, at the trade deadline and in buyout market. If he wanted he could have made all the same moves and sign all the guys Suns signed, he openly said that he is willing to keep going with draft and home development instead to DNVR guys and aiming for 3 in 6 years. Only problem with that is that you are as good as your best player is in basketball and he is not getting younger. Eh. Suns struck out a bunch. They signed Eubanks. Eric Gordon, KBD, Watanabe, Bol Bol. KBD and Watanabe were huge disappointments. Gordon and Eubanks have been minor disappointments. The real contributors they got in Allen and Nurkic were in the Ayton trade. Bol Bol has been ok recently, but anyone could’ve picked him up if they wanted to. Royce O’Neal has been meh for them, and he was the only rotation player they got at the deadline. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 27, 2024 23:56:40 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. Literally half of those dudes have a championship ring. Literally they have 0 minutes played in the playoffs (Or Reggie has 2 minutes or something) |
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Post by sawyeral on Mar 27, 2024 23:57:24 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. With our starting 5 + CB and Pwat you need 2 more pieces at PG and PF/C spot and 6 players above + 2nd round picks could easily give you quality backup players like Gafford and Tyus Jones for example. Don't sell me that "cap strapped" BS please. It’s not BS though. If you’re a 2nd apron team, you can’t sign anything other than vet minimum FAs, unless they’re your FAs and you own bird rights |
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Post by Dante on Mar 27, 2024 23:59:21 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. With our starting 5 + CB and Pwat you need 2 more pieces at PG and PF/C spot and 6 players above + 2nd round picks could easily give you quality backup players like Gafford and Tyus Jones for example. Don't sell me that "cap strapped" BS please. It’s not BS though. If you’re a 2nd apron team, you can’t sign anything other than vet minimum FAs, unless they’re your FAs and you own bird rights So at the trade deadline we couldn't trade Zeke and his salary + Tyson, Vlatko and 2nd round pick for Tyus Jones and Reggie, Pickket, Strawther + 2nd round for Gafford? I think we could? |
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Post by aepps22 on Mar 27, 2024 23:59:58 GMT -5
Suns also made most of their moves before the new rules went into effect. The Beal Deal and Ayton deal happened before the new rules. They have no flexibility on a go forward basis.
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:00:59 GMT -5
Jamal,KCP,Jokic,MPJ,AG with Tyus,CB,Pwat and Gafford that is legit 9 deep for the playoffs with DAJ and Holliday as the end of bench guys. That's easy back to back team.
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Post by sawyeral on Mar 28, 2024 0:01:04 GMT -5
It’s not BS though. If you’re a 2nd apron team, you can’t sign anything other than vet minimum FAs, unless they’re your FAs and you own bird rights So at the trade deadline we couldn't trade Zeke and his salary + Tyson, Vlatko and 2nd round pick for Tyus Jones and Reggie, Pickket, Strawther + 2nd round for Gafford? I think we could? I don’t have the trade machine handy. Maybe? The appeal with our drafted guys is they’re cost controlled for several years. If you really think you hit on them, you’ve got stability and the makings of a long title run. But if you’re wrong… |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:02:54 GMT -5
Literally half of those dudes have a championship ring. Literally they have 0 minutes played in the playoffs (Or Reggie has 2 minutes or something) Zeke played 12 minutes last year, Vlatko played 10, Reggie played 18 last season. But that's not the point. The point is you're freaking out about roster positions that for the most part won't be utilized. Last year we played an 8 man rotation. This year we'll probably go 9. Jokic, Murray, Gordon, Porter, KCP, and Braun are the same. We've replaced Bruce Brown and Jeff Green with Reggie Jackson, Peyton Watson, and Justin Holiday. Of course we'd love to have Bruce back, but Jeff Green gave us 4.1 points, 1.6 rebounds, and 0.7 assists on 45/32 FG/3PT splits. Joker and Murray are going to play 40 minutes per game. And if they don't it means one of them is hurt, and in that circumstance we're boned no matter who else is on the roster. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:05:35 GMT -5
fami i am not freaking out about our roster in the summer. I am freaking out why (if those moves i mentioned above were possible) Calvin didn't trade all those bodies for 2 quality role players (at the trade deadline) because by the time (and big IF) those "projects" hit our stars and our starting 5 will not be as potent as it is right now and in next few years.
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Post by eathb on Mar 28, 2024 0:06:15 GMT -5
Not a good offseason from Booth tbh.
All 3 draft picks are misses.
MLE for Reggie was bad.
Horrid extension to Zeke.
Didn't keep roster spot open so we missed out on Gallo, Delon Wright, Royce O'Neale, Biyombo, all would be playoffs rotation players for us.
His best move was Justin Holiday who is fluking .40+ from 3 when he is a career .300 shooter.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:08:26 GMT -5
It’s not BS though. If you’re a 2nd apron team, you can’t sign anything other than vet minimum FAs, unless they’re your FAs and you own bird rights So at the trade deadline we couldn't trade Zeke and his salary + Tyson, Vlatko and 2nd round pick for Tyus Jones and Reggie, Pickket, Strawther + 2nd round for Gafford? I think we could? Why would the Wizards take on multiple years of Zeke and Tyson to get rid of an expiring contract? |
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:09:52 GMT -5
So at the trade deadline we couldn't trade Zeke and his salary + Tyson, Vlatko and 2nd round pick for Tyus Jones and Reggie, Pickket, Strawther + 2nd round for Gafford? I think we could? Why would the Wizards take on multiple years of Zeke and Tyson to get rid of an expiring contract? Because they are in rebuild, those are 2 young bodies + 2nd round draft pick. Why the hell they would not? |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:09:53 GMT -5
Not a good offseason from Booth tbh. All 3 draft picks are misses. MLE for Reggie was bad. Horrid extension to Zeke. Didn't keep roster spot open so we missed out on Gallo, Delon Wright, Royce O'Neale, Biyombo, all would be playoffs rotation players for us. His best move was Justin Holiday who is fluking .40+ from 3 when he is a career .300 shooter. The overwhelming majority of 2nd round picks are wide misses and I'm in no way willing to give up on Strawther yet. |
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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:10:20 GMT -5
Why would the Wizards take on multiple years of Zeke and Tyson to get rid of an expiring contract? Because they are in rebuild, those are 2 young bodies + 2nd round draft pick. Why the hell they would not? Because they both suck and Zeke's contract is horrible? |
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Post by GBG on Mar 28, 2024 0:11:09 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. With our starting 5 + CB and Pwat you need 2 more pieces at PG and PF/C spot and 6 players above + 2nd round picks could easily give you quality backup players like Gafford and Tyus Jones for example. Don't sell me that "cap strapped" BS please. It’s not BS. Do you understand second apron hell? We were just under it. Allen is a huge plus for Suns, but he came with Nurkic in Ayton trade. Unless you wanna trade one of our championship starters last summer, nothing similar is happening for us. The critique I wrote earlier stands, though. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:14:18 GMT -5
Because they are in rebuild, those are 2 young bodies + 2nd round draft pick. Why the hell they would not? Because they both suck and Zeke's contract is horrible? That's exactly my original point. Calvin made a huge gamble on kids, he could have got out of that situation at the trade deadline if he wanted to but he did not. Everyone here were telling me that Zeke got extended to be traded (maybe together with Reggie) and Calvin remained silent. Also i just threw a random combination of names in that proposed trade. Maybe Wizzards ask for Reggie and Strawther instead of Zeke and Tyson, you just have 6 bodies and 2nd round picks to work with. Just look for how little those type of players were moved for at the trade deadline. |
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:17:16 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. With our starting 5 + CB and Pwat you need 2 more pieces at PG and PF/C spot and 6 players above + 2nd round picks could easily give you quality backup players like Gafford and Tyus Jones for example. Don't sell me that "cap strapped" BS please. It’s not BS. Do you understand second apron hell? We were just under it. Allen is a huge plus for Suns, but he came with Nurkic in Ayton trade. Unless you wanna trade one of our championship starters last summer, nothing similar is happening for us. The critique I wrote earlier stands, though. We were in the summer. But i think (someone verify please) we could have made similar moves to what i wrote. It has nothing to do with Allen and Suns or Ayton trade in summer. Those 6 bodies are worth almost 20 million $ in salary. We could have moved them for 2 rotational players like Gaffor and Tyus (just example). I am talking about trade deadline and you are talking about summer. Summer was a gamble, didnt worked out, ok, move on, our starting 5 is not going to be this good forever. |
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