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Post by Ring on Apr 23, 2023 23:48:16 GMT -5
Going to be a painful 48 hours I'm sad. Very sad. People will think Game 5 is automatic but I don't see it that way. Edwards is an absolute killer and he's going to bring it on a nightly basis. Nuggets have got to lock in and finish the job. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 23, 2023 23:48:21 GMT -5
On a night when Murray is dead we're going to lose every single game from the next round no matter how good Jokic plays. Tonight Jokic put 43/11/6/2 on 58%FG and 63% from 3 ffs Everyone else shot like s**t in this game though. Wasn't just Murray. Not a single Nugget besides Jokic shot better than 50% from the field or 33% from 3. Non Jokic Nuggets shot 39/26/67 MPJ shot 50%fg. But man, who cares how efficient are the players that take a few shots? The player that takes 20+ shots buries you down with his inefficiency. Add atrocious d and you play 4 on 5. Playing 4 on 5 makes Jokic tired. You simply have no space for games like this from Murray |
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Post by duh88 on Apr 23, 2023 23:50:21 GMT -5
Murray was doubled basically the entire second half. I know mpj heated up at the end, but we needed more from him the rest of the quarters. If they go all in on Murray, then other guys gotta shoot it well.
I’m annoyed - but we’ll get this done.
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Post by Ring on Apr 23, 2023 23:50:32 GMT -5
Everyone else shot like s**t in this game though. Wasn't just Murray. Not a single Nugget besides Jokic shot better than 50% from the field or 33% from 3. Non Jokic Nuggets shot 39/26/67 MPJ shot 50%fg. But man, who cares how efficient are the players that take a few shots? The player that takes 20+ shots buries you down with his inefficiency. Add atrocious d and you play 4 on 5. Playing 4 on 5 makes Jokic tired. You simply have no space for games like this from Murray Murray has been pretty good defensively throughout the series IMO. Bruce and AG have been way bigger issues on that end. The problem with Murray isn't even his shots. I don't really care about that. He was dead on the floor. He couldn't create any separation at all and it caused the Nuggets to delay getting into their sets. Less time to create = typically more difficult shots to be taken. He was just awful tonight. |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 23, 2023 23:54:31 GMT -5
Nah. It's not how stars work. Look at that last shot by Edwards. Edwards was locked in during that span and playing with zero pressure and nothing to lose. Just like he was in the OT. He was missing shots but stepping up when he needed too. Jokic was incredible but he didn't have a "tough night" at the line lmao .. he missed a FT that would have gave us the lead and won us the game because we got a stop right after it. No shade to Jokic but that's a big deal. He hits the FT and we win the game and MPJ is a hero. Between that missed FT, Conley banking in that 3, Alexander refusing to miss, Edwards calling game and Murray sucking .. there's just no overcoming that. Watch that third quarter again. Edwards was physically dominating a smaller, weaker player. It only takes CB to be better than Bruce on 2 or 3 possessions to win us that game. Edwards also did a massive amount of damage at the rim. I don't think the Nuggets have a defender that can stop that. Even CB. Even than Murray didn't show up tonight. Wolves got some lucky bounces as well. I just don't know how you can blame a coach when a star player calls game like Edwards did. Gobert, Towns, Conley all out performed Murray. Jokic was incredible and missed a crucial FT. Change the defender on Edwards and nothing changes. Change Murray's performance and were talking about an All-Time close out game from Jokic. |
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Post by alchemist76 on Apr 23, 2023 23:55:16 GMT -5
Jamal's level of fitness is unprofessional
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 23, 2023 23:59:05 GMT -5
You can't say the Nuggets absolutely win if Jokic hits that FT anyway. Wolves wouldn't have held for final shot in that situation. The Conley 3 was the game-changer IMO. If that doesn't go in the Nuggets are up 2 with the ball and probably score again. Instead they're down 1, have an empty trip and the NAW hits a corner 3. They don't absolutely win if Jokic hits that FT but it's incredibly likely. The ball was being put in Edwards hands and he's probably running something similar in a tie game. The plan was from him to get a bucket and he wasn't able too. It was a tie game and we stripped him and played elite defense. It was 109-108 with like 11 seconds left and ANT just drilled a 3. He didn't need to go for 3 on the possession but it was clearly just let him shoot whatever. Loss obviously isn't on Jokic because he was amazing tonight. Murray carries far more of the blame. That missed FT was a big deal tho lol like if Embiid pulled that s**t everyone here would be destroying him. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 24, 2023 0:03:28 GMT -5
MPJ shot 50%fg. But man, who cares how efficient are the players that take a few shots? The player that takes 20+ shots buries you down with his inefficiency. Add atrocious d and you play 4 on 5. Playing 4 on 5 makes Jokic tired. You simply have no space for games like this from Murray Murray has been pretty good defensively throughout the series IMO. Bruce and AG have been way bigger issues on that end. The problem with Murray isn't even his shots. I don't really care about that. He was dead on the floor. He couldn't create any separation at all and it caused the Nuggets to delay getting into their sets. Less time to create = typically more difficult shots to be taken. He was just awful tonight. That's how I saw him, dead on the floor. I'm talking D in general. He's always on the weakest link and still can't defend. You can't expect better than 43/11/6/2 from Jokic in PO's. That's as good as you get from anybody and if Murray can't backed it up we're screwed. We can't blame other guys that are not taking shots |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 24, 2023 0:08:47 GMT -5
You can't say the Nuggets absolutely win if Jokic hits that FT anyway. Wolves wouldn't have held for final shot in that situation. The Conley 3 was the game-changer IMO. If that doesn't go in the Nuggets are up 2 with the ball and probably score again. Instead they're down 1, have an empty trip and the NAW hits a corner 3. They don't absolutely win if Jokic hits that FT but it's incredibly likely. The ball was being put in Edwards hands and he's probably running something similar in a tie game. The plan was from him to get a bucket and he wasn't able too. It was a tie game and we stripped him and played elite defense. It was 109-108 with like 11 seconds left and ANT just drilled a 3. He didn't need to go for 3 on the possession but it was clearly just let him shoot whatever. Loss obviously isn't on Jokic because he was amazing tonight. Murray carries far more of the blame. That missed FT was a big deal tho lol like if Embiid pulled that s**t everyone here would be destroying him. Embiid first needs to post a PO line of 43/11/6/2 on 58%FG and 63% from 3 and then we'll forgive him for a missed FT lol |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 24, 2023 0:09:17 GMT -5
If the score was 97-96 and Jokic hits the FT .. the play was ANT trying to win the game. Just like it was when it was 109-108. Wolves were clearly playing to win and know there down 3-0. Maybe ANT takes a 3 instead of a 2 to win it in regulation but not sure why that'd change if they were only down 1. I think the play is probably pretty similar and the Nuggets had all the momentum at that point and were ready to defend. They shut him down. I think in OT they were abit surprised that he was so eager to call game when it was 109-108. If he bricks that than it's a bad shot.
Obviously you can't say for certain but it's absolutely a choke job by Jokic. He was just so great tonight and Murray was so bad that it's not a bigger narrative.
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 24, 2023 0:11:48 GMT -5
They don't absolutely win if Jokic hits that FT but it's incredibly likely. The ball was being put in Edwards hands and he's probably running something similar in a tie game. The plan was from him to get a bucket and he wasn't able too. It was a tie game and we stripped him and played elite defense. It was 109-108 with like 11 seconds left and ANT just drilled a 3. He didn't need to go for 3 on the possession but it was clearly just let him shoot whatever. Loss obviously isn't on Jokic because he was amazing tonight. Murray carries far more of the blame. That missed FT was a big deal tho lol like if Embiid pulled that s**t everyone here would be destroying him. Embiid first needs to post a PO line of 43/11/6/2 on 58%FG and 63% from 3 and then we'll forgive him for a missed FT lol No doubt. Jokic is better than Embiid. Embiid can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs lol Jokic was great tonight. Murray was awful. Edwards was great. That FT is a brutal miss tho. He hits that and your probably looking at a 90% chance of a sweep. Just like if Murray knocks down a few more buckets and doesn't disappear this series would be over. |
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 24, 2023 0:14:32 GMT -5
If the score was 97-96 and Jokic hits the FT .. the play was ANT trying to win the game. Just like it was when it was 109-108. Wolves were clearly playing to win and know there down 3-0. Maybe ANT takes a 3 instead of a 2 to win it in regulation but not sure why that'd change if they were only down 1. I think the play is probably pretty similar and the Nuggets had all the momentum at that point and were ready to defend. They shut him down. I think in OT they were abit surprised that he was so eager to call game when it was 109-108. If he bricks that than it's a bad shot. Obviously you can't say for certain but it's absolutely a choke job by Jokic. He was just so great tonight and Murray was so bad that it's not a bigger narrative. That's not a choke job by Jokic lol. His wrist is injured and because of that he's been shooting FT's poorly the entire series. If feels the most when you have the time to think about it |
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Post by eathb on Apr 24, 2023 0:17:35 GMT -5
It's criminal that MPJ after raining 3s in the 4th didn't see a single shot in OT.
Legit MPJ bailout 3 is one of our best shots.
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Post by passtheballquick on Apr 24, 2023 0:20:49 GMT -5
Embiid first needs to post a PO line of 43/11/6/2 on 58%FG and 63% from 3 and then we'll forgive him for a missed FT lol No doubt. Jokic is better than Embiid. Embiid can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs lol Jokic was great tonight. Murray was awful. Edwards was great. That FT is a brutal miss tho. He hits that and your probably looking at a 90% chance of a sweep. Just like if Murray knocks down a few more buckets and doesn't disappear this series would be over. Jokic is 83% career FT shooter. In this series he shot 15 for 24 so far, 63% which is worse than Plumlee back then. That tells you a lot about his wrist |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 24, 2023 0:25:41 GMT -5
If the score was 97-96 and Jokic hits the FT .. the play was ANT trying to win the game. Just like it was when it was 109-108. Wolves were clearly playing to win and know there down 3-0. Maybe ANT takes a 3 instead of a 2 to win it in regulation but not sure why that'd change if they were only down 1. I think the play is probably pretty similar and the Nuggets had all the momentum at that point and were ready to defend. They shut him down. I think in OT they were abit surprised that he was so eager to call game when it was 109-108. If he bricks that than it's a bad shot. Obviously you can't say for certain but it's absolutely a choke job by Jokic. He was just so great tonight and Murray was so bad that it's not a bigger narrative. That's not a choke job by Jokic lol. His wrist is injured and because of that he's been shooting FT's poorly the entire series. If feels the most when you have the time to think about it He was 5-8 from 3 and had his best game scoring. His wrist was fine all night. He literally drilled both FT's like 1 minute later in OT. There was 12 seconds left and the pressure was 100% and he missed 1. He hits it the Nuggets have a great chance at winning. It's not the end of the world because we were up 3-0 and outside of MPJ going insane the last 2 minutes Jokic was the only reason why we even had a chance to win. So he gets a pass. If this was the WCF or a tightly contested series than it would be absolutely brutal tho. If Murray popped off tonight and the series was 3-3 and Jokic misses that FT? It's devastating. |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 24, 2023 0:29:56 GMT -5
Putting it all on one play like a single missed free throw is a bit much. Even a few missed in a sequence.
The reason it's on Malone is because he completely tanked like an 8 minute stretch of the game. Sample size. Possession after possession after possession it was incredibly obvious to everybody watching that Bruce Brown was simply too small to cover Edwards. And Malone did nothing about it. He didn't even have the good sense to switch Braun onto him when he put CB into the game.
Ant was going to score a lot of points no matter who we put on him but it was simply way, way too easy when Bruce was on him as compared to KCP. Malone failed to make the adjustment and that's the largest factor in why we lost the game.
And hell, he shouldn't even have had to see it in this game. He should've figured it out in game 1. We all did. It's a bad match up for us. All series long Ant has roasted Bruce.
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Post by eathb on Apr 24, 2023 0:33:40 GMT -5
No doubt. Jokic is better than Embiid. Embiid can't even stay on the floor in the playoffs lol Jokic was great tonight. Murray was awful. Edwards was great. That FT is a brutal miss tho. He hits that and your probably looking at a 90% chance of a sweep. Just like if Murray knocks down a few more buckets and doesn't disappear this series would be over. Jokic is 83% career FT shooter. In this series he shot 15 for 24 so far, 63% which is worse than Plumlee back then. That tells you a lot about his wrist He's off the injury report. Gobert/Towns/Anderson are tough matchups despite how many try to clown them |
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Post by famicommander on Apr 24, 2023 0:35:59 GMT -5
Jokic is 83% career FT shooter. In this series he shot 15 for 24 so far, 63% which is worse than Plumlee back then. That tells you a lot about his wrist He's off the injury report. Gobert/Towns/Anderson are tough matchups despite how many try to clown them He has it taped up, he's icing it every time he sits down, and he's visibly wincing in pain every time he shoots a jumper. Even the ones he makes. There's clearly something wrong with his wrist. |
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Post by inyourmind on Apr 24, 2023 0:46:21 GMT -5
Putting it all on one play like a single missed free throw is a bit much. Even a few missed in a sequence. The reason it's on Malone is because he completely tanked like an 8 minute stretch of the game. Sample size. Possession after possession after possession it was incredibly obvious to everybody watching that Bruce Brown was simply too small to cover Edwards. And Malone did nothing about it. He didn't even have the good sense to switch Braun onto him when he put CB into the game. Ant was going to score a lot of points no matter who we put on him but it was simply way, way too easy when Bruce was on him as compared to KCP. Malone failed to make the adjustment and that's the largest factor in why we lost the game. And hell, he shouldn't even have had to see it in this game. He should've figured it out in game 1. We all did. It's a bad match up for us. All series long Ant has roasted Bruce. Yeah I mean agree to disagree. Murray was brutal. If you think Malone had a bigger impact than Murray throwing up bricks than we won't agree. Murray -- Large gap T-Wolves props for showing up Nuggets as a team falling asleep including Malone in the 3rd/early 4th Jokic missed FT That's how I see it. If Murray shows up we get an easy W. If Edwards doesn't call game or doesn't refuse to quit along with Conley/Towns/Gobet/Alexander going all out than the Nuggets cruise to a W. If the Nuggets keep there foot on the pedal than OT doesn't happen and while I agree Malone probably could have adjusted .. offensively guys just hitting some shots makes a difference. Than with Jokic if he hits that FT the Nuggets likely win but it's last on the list because he's the biggest reason outside of MPJ that we were even in this thing with how Murray played. |
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Post by eathb on Apr 24, 2023 0:58:36 GMT -5
Putting it all on one play like a single missed free throw is a bit much. Even a few missed in a sequence. The reason it's on Malone is because he completely tanked like an 8 minute stretch of the game. Sample size. Possession after possession after possession it was incredibly obvious to everybody watching that Bruce Brown was simply too small to cover Edwards. And Malone did nothing about it. He didn't even have the good sense to switch Braun onto him when he put CB into the game. Ant was going to score a lot of points no matter who we put on him but it was simply way, way too easy when Bruce was on him as compared to KCP. Malone failed to make the adjustment and that's the largest factor in why we lost the game. And hell, he shouldn't even have had to see it in this game. He should've figured it out in game 1. We all did. It's a bad match up for us. All series long Ant has roasted Bruce. Yeah I mean agree to disagree. Murray was brutal. If you think Malone had a bigger impact than Murray throwing up bricks than we won't agree. Murray -- Large gap T-Wolves props for showing up Nuggets as a team falling asleep including Malone in the 3rd/early 4th Jokic missed FT That's how I see it. If Murray shows up we get an easy W. If Edwards doesn't call game or doesn't refuse to quit along with Conley/Towns/Gobet/Alexander going all out than the Nuggets cruise to a W. If the Nuggets keep there foot on the pedal than OT doesn't happen and while I agree Malone probably could have adjusted .. offensively guys just hitting some shots makes a difference. Than with Jokic if he hits that FT the Nuggets likely win but it's last on the list because he's the biggest reason outside of MPJ that we were even in this thing with how Murray played. Not even Murray. Not one guy stood up tonight except maybe Porter and then he was iced in OT. |
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