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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 7:32:34 GMT -5
Dame is on fire lately. That's still the missing part of Jokic's game, that intrinsic desire or spirit to rise above everyone else and purely dominate.
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Post by passtheballquick on Aug 12, 2020 10:35:23 GMT -5
I don’t think I’ve laughed that hard at a basketball possession in a long time. Same here |
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Post by Coach Sticky on Aug 12, 2020 10:54:44 GMT -5
They should have just passtheballquick
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Post by scooter on Aug 12, 2020 12:08:16 GMT -5
Dame is on fire lately. That's still the missing part of Jokic's game, that intrinsic desire or spirit to rise above everyone else and purely dominate. This is the ESPN perspective and Jokic's lack of huge regular season scoring will always keep him underrated among those guys, but I'll just disagree that this is a bad thing. I'm good with him conserving his energy (and staying healthy) for when it's really needed and also not freezing his teammates out. Jokic dominates when the team really needs him to, like in the playoffs last year (25/13/8 on shooting splits of 51/39/85), and a seemingly endless number of late game possessions, when he is as reliable a scorer as anyone in the league. The only non-guards in the top 10 for scoring this season are Giannis, Leonard and Davis. Beal and Young were 2nd and 4th in league scoring this season at 30.5 and 29.6 points/game this season (on huge numbers of shot attempts), and their teams won a combined 44 games. It's true its not in Jokic's nature to be a ball hog, and if Porter and Murray can stay healthy, the Nuggets going forward should have 3 20 point scorers, so it'll continue to be both unnecessary and counterproductive for Jokic to take a lot more shots. Tim Duncan -- with 5 titles -- averaged 19 points/game for his career and only hit 25/game in 1 season. It doesn't surprise me that Greg Popovich appreciates Jokic's game a helluva lot more than the TV pundits of hype. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 12:11:36 GMT -5
Dame is on fire lately. That's still the missing part of Jokic's game, that intrinsic desire or spirit to rise above everyone else and purely dominate. This is the ESPN perspective and Jokic's lack of huge regular season scoring will always keep him underrated among those guys, but I'll just disagree that this is a bad thing. I'm good with him conserving his energy (and staying healthy) for when it's really needed and also not freezing his teammates out. Jokic dominates when the team really needs him to, like in the playoffs last year (25/13/8 on shooting splits of 51/39/85), and a seemingly endless number of late game possessions, when he is as reliable a scorer as anyone in the league. The only non-guards in the top 10 for scoring this season are Giannis, Leonard and Davis. Beal and Young were 2nd and 4th in league scoring this season at 30.5 and 29.6 points/game this season (on huge numbers of shot attempts), and their teams won a combined 44 games. It's true its not in Jokic's nature to be a ball hog, and if Porter and Murray can stay healthy, the Nuggets going forward should have 3 20 point scorers, so it'll continue to be both unnecessary and counterproductive for Jokic to take a lot more shots. Tim Duncan -- with 5 titles -- averaged 19 points/game for his career and only hit 25/game in 1 season. It doesn't surprise me that Greg Popovich appreciates Jokic's game a helluva lot more than the TV pundits of hype. I don't watch ESPN. It's my own opinion from the 'ole eye-test from an average fan. I do agree, he did step up during the playoffs. Now he needs to use his talents to will his team to victory. |
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Post by rock on Aug 12, 2020 12:14:03 GMT -5
Dame is on fire lately. That's still the missing part of Jokic's game, that intrinsic desire or spirit to rise above everyone else and purely dominate. This is the ESPN perspective and Jokic's lack of huge regular season scoring will always keep him underrated among those guys, but I'll just disagree that this is a bad thing. I'm good with him conserving his energy (and staying healthy) for when it's really needed and also not freezing his teammates out. Jokic dominates when the team really needs him to, like in the playoffs last year (25/13/8 on shooting splits of 51/39/85), and a seemingly endless number of late game possessions, when he is as reliable a scorer as anyone in the league. The only non-guards in the top 10 for scoring this season are Giannis, Leonard and Davis. Beal and Young were 2nd and 4th in league scoring this season at 30.5 and 29.6 points/game this season (on huge numbers of shot attempts), and their teams won a combined 44 games. It's true its not in Jokic's nature to be a ball hog, and if Porter and Murray can stay healthy, the Nuggets going forward should have 3 20 point scorers, so it'll continue to be both unnecessary and counterproductive for Jokic to take a lot more shots. Tim Duncan -- with 5 titles -- averaged 19 points/game for his career and only hit 25/game in 1 season. It doesn't surprise me that Greg Popovich appreciates Jokic's game a helluva lot more than the TV pundits of hype. agreed with all of this however...it is important that jokic establish himself as a true superstar, in the eyes of the fans, media and also the refs. we need him to get the calls that guys like lebron, lillard, luka, harden, and kawhi do. |
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Post by scooter on Aug 12, 2020 12:24:52 GMT -5
What's the point in complaining that Jokic isn't something he's not. Lillard, Doncic, Harden etc. are perimeter, ball dominant players and while the Nuggets' offense largely runs thru Jokic, he just doesn't dominate shot attempts like these other guys or take guys off the dribble from 30 feet out. That's not changing. Plus, officials allow more contact and just don't call nearly as many fouls on post play so Jokic isn't going to get as many free throw attempts as perimeter players. There's no point in complaining about what's not to be.
I've noticed he already has a more communicative relationship with officials, and I'm sure there is a growing awareness in their ranks that he's an all-NBA player. The Nuggets don't have the type of ball dominant perimeter player that's going to parade to the free throw line all game. We'll live with it.
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Post by rock on Aug 12, 2020 12:38:50 GMT -5
What's the point in complaining ... Id like to ask you whats the point in not complaining?  |
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Post by funky on Aug 12, 2020 12:48:20 GMT -5
Not becoming a whiner hated by the public like Harden? Doncic is rapidly becoming one too. As scooter said, Jokic is a center, that's something we all easily let slip from our view.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 14:22:17 GMT -5
What's the point in complaining ... Id like to ask you whats the point in not complaining? Even more mind blowing. Nobody complained. A couple posts were made saying Jokic is missing some fire in his belly compared to a Dame type player. |
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Post by scooter on Aug 12, 2020 16:47:33 GMT -5
Not becoming a whiner hated by the public like Harden? Doncic is rapidly becoming one too. As scooter said, Jokic is a center, that's something we all easily let slip from our view. Jokic is never going to be shooting nearly as many free throws as guys like Harden, Doncic, Lillard, etc. There is a huge difference in the rules, putting aside refs' "unwritten rule" tendencies to whistle contact against smaller players while swallowing the whistle on a lot of contact involving big guys. Plus, there's a huge difference in the written rules when it comes to defending face up players vs. post players, which is part of the reason there is very little post play in the league now (with some exception for the few elite post players in Jokic, Towns, and Embiid). In the official rules, defenders cannot touch a face up player -- not in any way. Not one hand, not one finger; and they can't body them when they are driving either. Can't legally touch them at all or do anything to impede their freedom of movement. Nothing, zip, nada. And then there's the restricted zone in which you cannot draw charging fouls against guys driving toward the basket, and they've written the rule there so that not even a hint of a heel can be on the line or it's a foul on the defender (making help defense on drivers very difficult). But when an offensive player has his back to the basket, a defender can legally do all of the following: 1) forearm in the back, 2) his other hand also on the offensive player as long as the elbow of that arm is bent, and 3) position one of his legs between the legs of the offensive player, thereby impeding the offensive player's movement. So it's not real surprising that exactly 0 of the top 25 scorers in the league this season are post players. Anthony Davis (10th) is the closest thing, but when he receives passes in post position, he pivots and faces up almost every time. Scorer #27 Jokic is really the top scorer in the league who scores a fair amount with post moves. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 17:28:45 GMT -5
The Nuggets have officially clinched a top 3 seed. 1 more loss or 1 more Clippers win locks the Nuggets into the 3 seed which was the most ideal situation outside of getting 4/5 vs OKC which is now dead.
Nuggets at 3 will almost certaintly play Utah who are probably resting starters vs Spurs tomorrow.
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Post by rock on Aug 12, 2020 22:51:21 GMT -5
Thunder and Houston tied.
Doesn’t really matter for 4v5
But it affects our draft position
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Post by jo on Aug 13, 2020 4:38:21 GMT -5
It looks like Mike Conley's wife is pregnant , and is due to give birth in a week or so , so Mike might actually leave the bubble , to be with her , in about a week time .. So there's a chance he wont play against us , or at least miss the final few games of the series !! ..
Got the info from the Jazz reddit ..
We'll see ..
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Post by Coach Sticky on Aug 13, 2020 5:20:12 GMT -5
Sounds like the Blazers are #blessed again to me
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Post by rock on Aug 13, 2020 16:34:40 GMT -5
What would you have said if someone asked you this in March:
Is Giannis head butting mo Wagner (Washington wizards) going to cost the Phoenix Suns making the play in game in the Orlando bubble?
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Post by inyourmind on Aug 13, 2020 18:28:34 GMT -5
Dame is on fire lately. That's still the missing part of Jokic's game, that intrinsic desire or spirit to rise above everyone else and purely dominate. This is the ESPN perspective and Jokic's lack of huge regular season scoring will always keep him underrated among those guys, but I'll just disagree that this is a bad thing. I'm good with him conserving his energy (and staying healthy) for when it's really needed and also not freezing his teammates out. Jokic dominates when the team really needs him to, like in the playoffs last year (25/13/8 on shooting splits of 51/39/85), and a seemingly endless number of late game possessions, when he is as reliable a scorer as anyone in the league. The only non-guards in the top 10 for scoring this season are Giannis, Leonard and Davis. Beal and Young were 2nd and 4th in league scoring this season at 30.5 and 29.6 points/game this season (on huge numbers of shot attempts), and their teams won a combined 44 games. It's true its not in Jokic's nature to be a ball hog, and if Porter and Murray can stay healthy, the Nuggets going forward should have 3 20 point scorers, so it'll continue to be both unnecessary and counterproductive for Jokic to take a lot more shots. Tim Duncan -- with 5 titles -- averaged 19 points/game for his career and only hit 25/game in 1 season. It doesn't surprise me that Greg Popovich appreciates Jokic's game a helluva lot more than the TV pundits of hype. Feel like Tim Duncan/Spurs are a pretty bad comparison. Duncan was always the best/arguably the best defender in the league. As great as the Spurs were offensively, whenever they won titles there defense was usually ranked higher. Duncan didn't need to drop 30 a night to win 5 titles because the Spurs would destroy you on both ends. I do agree overall. Jokic doesn't need to average 30 points. If he steps up like he did last year in the playoffs that's more than enough. Nuggets aren't winning any titles with him scoring 14-15 point's a night tho. I think he gets underrated because there were nights where he legit looked like a role player a few years ago. If your a casual fan who turned into one of those games where he was refusing to shoot you'd probably come away unimpressed. I forget the game but I remember Isiah Thomas and Reggie Miller hyping him up early and he came out and laid a big time dude and the other announcers were kinda clowning on him. Also defense. He's pretty underrated defensively and I think there's still the ancient thinking that even I'm guilty of that your big men needs to be able to protect the basket. Jokic is a high IQ player, quick hands, and strong enough down low but his rim protection is by far the weakest link to his game. I would bet the average NBA fan/media member thinks of Jokic as a net negative defensively which is way off. |
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Post by mountnuggs on Aug 13, 2020 21:56:46 GMT -5
I know this won't happend because Blazzers are blessed but how weird will it be if the Nets put a end to the Blazzers playoff bid tonight and it's the Suns playing in that Playin Game instead.
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Post by rock on Aug 13, 2020 22:18:59 GMT -5
Portland never misses
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Post by mountnuggs on Aug 13, 2020 22:20:51 GMT -5
More like Lillard never misses so glad we won't be facing them in the 1st round this year. The only chance we have meeting them is if we both get to the WCF. |
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