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Post by GBG on Feb 7, 2019 0:39:05 GMT -5
Btw, if such as deal happened, I’d expect NOLA to waive Millsap and he’d be free to sign with a contender, including returning here!
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Feb 7, 2019 0:40:54 GMT -5
there's no way Millsap/Garris/first/second would get it done though. It'd have to include at least like more picks / rights / young players, and taking back some salary other than AD's. But I hope the offer is serious and it's being worked on.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 0:42:15 GMT -5
there's no way Millsap/Garris/first/second would get it done though. It'd have to include at least like more picks / rights / young players, and taking back some salary other than AD's. But I hope the offer is serious and it's being worked on. It's Tim Connelly man. Has he ever made a successful trade at the deadline? Not going to happen. His job is also technically on the line as he hasn't gotten an extension yet. Big risk because expectations will be raised greatly. |
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Feb 7, 2019 0:52:48 GMT -5
trade deadlines are almost entirely boring, league-wide. Most years the biggest trade is something like the Tobias Harris trade, and the next biggest is like a swap of a bench 4 for a bench 2, and other trades are like a young player who can't help right now for a veteran who can but will be gone next year. So I'm not like "man, TC hasn't managed to make a big deadline trade in his entire career" because those big trades are more like once-a-generation moves for any given team.
I'm hopeful, but not expectant, if that makes sense. Make a serious offer, see if you can get close enough that you can get on the phone and make it happen at the last minute.
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Post by duh88 on Feb 7, 2019 0:53:05 GMT -5
Don’t really care if anyone believes me or not. I like sharing info with friends (of which I have many on here that I love talking to). As far as needing attention - lol - I get beyond plenty of that.
Of course NO will try to get more. The offer is there - it’s theirs if they want it.
I wouldn’t offer a single thing more. AD will not resign here and may even just feign injury for 1.5 years. I could see TC offering an additional lottery protected first. I don’t think it goes beyond that.
And hell no to giving away MPJ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 0:56:11 GMT -5
Don’t really care if anyone believes me or not. I like sharing info with friends (of which I have many on here that I love talking to). As far as needing attention - lol - I get beyond plenty of that. Of course NO will try to get more. The offer is there - it’s theirs if they want it. I wouldn’t offer a single thing more. AD will not resign here and may even just feign injury for 1.5 years. I could see TC offering an additional lottery protected first. I don’t think it goes beyond that. And hell no to giving away MPJ. If AD is willing to sign long-term in Milwaukee...why would it be an automatic no in Denver? I mean it's probably a no but if he's willing to go long-term there it's clearly not just about big market. He cares about winning. We'd also be able to offer him the most money no? MPJ is definitely the piece I don't want to give away but I'm starting to be OK with giving up Murray. Monte is already a starting level PG in this league. His ceiling is nowhere near as high as Jamal but he's currently the better player IMO. Monte/Beasley/MPJ/AD/Jokic would be one hell of a starting 5. |
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Post by scooter on Feb 7, 2019 0:56:51 GMT -5
There’s a deal on the table for AD. Millsap, Garris and a first and second for AD. That’s why they’re out. It’s up to NO if they want to pull the trigger. They might not get better? There is no chance that's a real offer as 1) Harris and a couple of lousy picks isn't enough for Davis; and 2) that deal on its face doesn't work under the CBA since Millsap and Harris make $46 mil and Davis is only at $26 mil this season. Its not a real offer. |
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Post by duh88 on Feb 7, 2019 0:58:47 GMT -5
Stranger things have happened. I just know that AD’s agents are a bunch of d-bags and they honestly still think that Denver is a small town full of tumbleweeds. And sadly, AD listens to his agents.
But yes - maybe it works out. Nonetheless, I don’t want to trade the farm, including MPJ or Murray - two talented men who love Denver and want to win banners here.
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Post by duh88 on Feb 7, 2019 0:59:30 GMT -5
There’s a deal on the table for AD. Millsap, Garris and a first and second for AD. That’s why they’re out. It’s up to NO if they want to pull the trigger. They might not get better? There is no chance that's a real offer as 1) Harris and a couple of lousy picks isn't enough for Davis; and 2) that deal on its face doesn't work under the CBA since Millsap and Harris make $46 mil and Davis is only at $26 mil this season. Its not a real offer. Dude, people said the exact same thing when Paul George was traded. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 0:59:59 GMT -5
trade deadlines are almost entirely boring, league-wide. Most years the biggest trade is something like the Tobias Harris trade, and the next biggest is like a swap of a bench 4 for a bench 2, and other trades are like a young player who can't help right now for a veteran who can but will be gone next year. So I'm not like "man, TC hasn't managed to make a big deadline trade in his entire career" because those big trades are more like once-a-generation moves for any given team. I'm hopeful, but not expectant, if that makes sense. Make a serious offer, see if you can get close enough that you can get on the phone and make it happen at the last minute. Gallo had value. Faried had value. Chandler had value. He didn't pull the trigger and we missed the playoffs. Gallo netted us a 2nd. Chandler was given away. And Faried cost us a 1st. We got rid of Mudiay last year for a rental SG asked to play the PG position. And gave up another pick IIRC. He gave up Nurk and a 1 for Plumlee. He always waits until guys have absolutely no value at all to trade them. How about this for tomorrow. Find a backup PF who can spot start next to Jokic when Millsap is hurt? Find a wing defender like an Ariza or a Finney-Smith? I'm so tired of him just sitting on his hands. This team has needed a wing for years. And I get that they're hard to come by, but Ariza got traded. Otto Porter got traded (wouldn't take his contract) Bottom line is our backup 4 can't start next to Jokic and is a gigantic defensive liability. Our backup 3 is even more of a liability defensively. So....get a backup 3 or 4 that can defend at an average level maybe? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 1:01:08 GMT -5
There’s a deal on the table for AD. Millsap, Garris and a first and second for AD. That’s why they’re out. It’s up to NO if they want to pull the trigger. They might not get better? There is no chance that's a real offer as 1) Harris and a couple of lousy picks isn't enough for Davis; and 2) that deal on its face doesn't work under the CBA since Millsap and Harris make $46 mil and Davis is only at $26 mil this season. Its not a real offer. Exactly what I thought lol. Just makes no sense from any direction. |
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Post by duh88 on Feb 7, 2019 1:02:00 GMT -5
Faried had zero value. His contract was an albatross.
Gallo - sure - should’ve traded sooner, but hard to do that to a guy who was a franchise corner stone for awhile. He was also badly injured.
Chandler - I think you’re overinflatibg his value. No one was going to give a first for chandler.
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Post by scooter on Feb 7, 2019 1:02:38 GMT -5
Please don’t trade mpj He’s the only thing giving me hope for our future A 23 year old triple double machine who gets along with everyone doesn't give you any hope? In any event, I do think the Nuggets are hesitant to trade Porter Jr. because he has a ton of talent. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 1:05:02 GMT -5
Faried had zero value. His contract was an albatross. Gallo - sure - should’ve traded sooner, but hard to do that to a guy who was a franchise corner stone for awhile. He was also badly injured. Chandler - I think you’re overinflatibg his value. No one was going to give a first for chandler. Faried 2-3 years ago had some value. As did Chandler. Chandler was rumored to net a late 1st from OKC the last year Gallo was here. We didn't want to give him up for the playoff push. And of course we missed the playoffs. The point is that Tim will never make a big trade because he's not a complete GM. He's a phenomenal scout/drafter and that's all. He's way too nice a guy and cares way too much about people's feelings. It's a business. Improve your team. Still want him extended though. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 1:09:04 GMT -5
Please don’t trade mpj He’s the only thing giving me hope for our future A 23 year old triple double machine who gets along with everyone doesn't give you any hope? In any event, I do think the Nuggets are hesitant to trade Porter Jr. because he has a ton of talent. It's a shame that we're not going to see MPJ play but he is definitely the one guy besides Jokic I don't want to be traded. Guys like him are super rare. 6'11 and can score at all 3 levels. The KD comparison is accurate IMO. No idea if he'll ever get close to KD level but his game is very similar. |
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Post by scooter on Feb 7, 2019 1:14:25 GMT -5
The point is that Tim will never make a big trade because he's not a complete GM. He's a phenomenal scout/drafter and that's all. He's way too nice a guy and cares way too much about people's feelings. It's a business. Improve your team. Team chemistry and continuity matter. Teams that churn like crazy usually underachieve. The players are not widgets. It is necessary to make certain deals, but good organizations do it selectively and carefully. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 1:17:21 GMT -5
The point is that Tim will never make a big trade because he's not a complete GM. He's a phenomenal scout/drafter and that's all. He's way too nice a guy and cares way too much about people's feelings. It's a business. Improve your team. Team chemistry and continuity matter. Teams that churn like crazy usually underachieve. The players are not widgets. It is necessary to make certain deals, but good organizations do it selectively and carefully. Trust me man I love the chemistry and culture that has been built. But Murray/Harris/Jokic as a core isn't winning you a ring. You flip Murray and pieces for AD and you have a much greater chance. Is the risk worth the reward? Murray most likely will never be a top 5 NBA player. But can the culture/infrastructure that's been built convince AD to stay in Denver? It's a tough call. If AD said he'd re-sign you trade Murray tomorrow and whatever else it takes. We still have no clue what MPJ or Vanderbilt are actually going to be at an NBA level. And instead of the big trade...like I said before. How about an NBA caliber backup 3 or 4? |
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Post by duh88 on Feb 7, 2019 1:19:27 GMT -5
I’m grateful that Ring isn’t our GM.
We would like the damn lakers right now.
We would probably trade MPJ for Javale. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 1:25:57 GMT -5
I’m grateful that Ring isn’t our GM. We would like the damn lakers right now. We would probably trade MPJ for Javale. Lol. Dude you can be a homer all you want. Flipping Murray/Millsap/Beasley/1sts for a top 5 player is a great move if AD committed (he won't so this discussion is pointless). Murray will never be a top 5 player, nor will Beasley. This team is going to get destroyed come playoff time unless they get a good match up. Jamal can't guard anyone. Gary is 6'4. Barton is 6'5 and can't guard anyone. Millsap is constantly banged up and has aged. And Joker gives you no rim protection at all and is even worse in the PnR. So you have a combination of guys that can't stop the PnR (especially spread PnR) because everyone has to help off heavily and can't recover in time. In the playoffs the game slows down and gets more physical. We've already seen what happens when teams play physical defense against us. Last game against Utah is a great example. We'll be fine offensively but won't be able to get any stops down the stretch, especially when teams are game planning against us. It'll be PnR after PnR after PnR. Which is why you need to get length defenders on this team ASAP. It's easier for them to recover/use their length to make up for the ground they can't cover. |
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Post by game on Feb 7, 2019 1:42:35 GMT -5
KD would get eaten the f**k alive by the NY media. I mean, to a comical level
Kev - in Denver they care about the Broncos practice squad linebackers more than the nuggets. The toughest questions you'll get are:
Harrison Wind/TJ McBride types: "Can I have your autograph? I've been a basketball fan since the beginning... of your time with the Warriors."
104.3 The Fan/local news: ...
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