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Post by BBBbbb on Jul 18, 2024 18:07:03 GMT -5
Bbb - your link advocated for full confiscation, akin to Australia. He even mocks the notion that guns protect households. That was your stance - zero guns equals more safety. You were wrong. That said - it was an innocently posted link, but I took disagreement with it. You also confirmed my point of white privilege blinding you. I’m Muslim. Yugoslavia is a major reason for why, as a Muslim, I should be concerned about being a minority without arms in a rising conflict (spoiler: the Muslim Bosnians were genocided). That conflict didn’t end until…. The Bosnians received guns from the USA. Hope you’re well! Bosnians consist of Bosnjaks, Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Serbs. Bosnjaks were most numerous but in total not over half. Same ppl in mentality and origin (this is noteable since there is a difference in mentality between them and Croats and Serbs from Croatia and Serbia), they just used religion as a dividing factor. Bosnjak's actually blame the west for not having enough support and consider the main reason for it is West being against muslims.
It was a FFA civil war, there weren't troops from other exYu countries. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Croats had logistical support from Serbia (still Yugoslavia at that time) and Croatia. (although notable Serbia withdrew the support of for the Bosnian Serbs representatives prior to Srebrenica, and advising on taking the peace deal)
The only support of such kind Boshnjaks had was coming from middle eastern countries, and some religion blinded wahhabists that do not like the west.
Bosnjaks blame the West peacekeeping troops from leaving the Srebrenica region allowing the genocide you're referring to. So you won't feel much love there for the guns you mention. Also funny how those guns are mostly AKs...
Bosnjaks are white, definitely not a minority in Bosnia. they must also feel that white privilege.
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Post by duh88 on Jul 18, 2024 20:11:07 GMT -5
Yes - Muslims in Bosnians are white - but within the conflict of Yugoslavia, they were a minority on the basis of their religion. And the Bosnians have every right to hate America - we kept an embargo against them that didn't allow them to access guns. Senator Bob Dole about single-handedly got that embargo lifted and arms to Bosnians (but I must give credit - many Jewish leaders were behind and pressured the clinton admin, as well as Senators Lieberman and Biden). That is when the war ended - but far too many Bosnians died that didn't have to. The area now (Serbia, Bosnia, Kosovo, etc) is experiencing wonderful peace (props to Trump and Ric Grennell on the latest peace agreements). We're not seeing that today unless guns are delivered to Bosnia, which leveled the playing field - and kept it 'leveled' without having to worry about further major conflicts. This is why I will forever be against the Australia argument of "guns universally bad" when in fact, they're one of the finest tools in the world for creating and maintaining peace. For history lovers, great article on Dole and Bosnia: foreignpolicy.com/2021/12/06/bob-dole-bosnia-war-congress-legacy-arms-embargo-vote/
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Post by JB on Jul 18, 2024 20:46:24 GMT -5
really smart of Bernie, AOC and "the squad" to go down with the Biden sinking ship.
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Post by duh88 on Jul 18, 2024 20:59:37 GMT -5
I still don't believe it until I see it with my own eyes - I question that Mark Halperin is still doing this as a bullying tactic
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 19, 2024 1:18:26 GMT -5
Anyone still supporting Trump in 2024 is either blind and deaf or a brain dead retard. As a citizen of the world i am legit scared of the influence and lack of consequences for the CIA and American deep state the last 80 years. If Trump continues to rock that boat then he is IMO the lesser evil. How many presidents or candidates needs to die
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 19, 2024 1:19:42 GMT -5
Israel is the real winner no matter who wins of Trump and Biden
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Post by aussie on Jul 19, 2024 1:42:56 GMT -5
US politics are just fu*ked in general.
As the leader of the 'free world' and of democracy, it's overall very disappointing that we (yes we) have to choose from two very old white men to lead.
This coming from an Australian that has visited the country many times (love it) and from a country that is arguably your greatest ally and share very similar democratic values.
We sit hear laughing but scared at the same time re what will come in the next 4 years
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Post by duh88 on Jul 19, 2024 3:42:22 GMT -5
Israel is the real winner no matter who wins of Trump and Biden I wouldn't say that so easily. I appreciate that Trump criticizes Netanyahu. That's a massive departure from how world leaders usually act, especially because Mossad usually has the dirt on everyone.
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Post by Coach Sticky on Jul 19, 2024 5:03:20 GMT -5
Anyone still supporting Trump in 2024 is either blind and deaf or a brain dead retard. 🙏
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 19, 2024 10:00:57 GMT -5
Yeah it's all in his laptop lol, Gomer pyle and gym Jordan had what 5 yrs to bring up something The laptop is the least of it. put up or shut up - way over due....
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 19, 2024 10:23:36 GMT -5
newsmax lol
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Post by GBG on Jul 19, 2024 13:10:58 GMT -5
Trump and Netanyahu are birds of a feather, both sociopathic corrupt far right authoritarians. GOP in general gives a blank check to Bibi for his complete cleansing of Gaza to eradicate Hamas. Never mind the collateral damage that Israel falsely claimed they tried to minimize. The long term interests of Israel are damaged by the violent policies of its far right too. They have killed tens of thousands of innocents in their unrealistic quest with no path to two state solution, and Trump won’t push them toward that at all. Biden is feckless too, but much more critical of Bibi government than Trump.
So many Gaza kids who’ve been injured and/or orphaned will grow up to be terrorists. Won’t be safe for Israel for many decades.
I can’t believe I have to write this obvious stuff.
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Post by JB on Jul 19, 2024 14:09:00 GMT -5
Trump is bought and paid for and has as much autonomy on this issue as a cocktail waitress at an Adelson casino.
if Trump returns to the white house it won't be long before the Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens wing of the right start chastising Trump for not being sufficiently America First in regards to I/P and that would create a real rift in that movement which would usher in the beginning of the end of Trumpism.
for those who actually care about the overwhelming brutalization and immiseration of the Palestinians, it would be better if the Dems lose in November. maybe then they'll actually start to listen to their base and we might actually have a party that's to the left of satan on this issue.
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Post by BBBbbb on Jul 19, 2024 14:25:08 GMT -5
The theory that JB shares - that Trump’s win might actually finally push everything too far that a reset happens might be the only option of something changing with respect to I/P. Trump was literally campaigning for countries to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital (a controversial thing at best) while being in power. There is no change with this establishment from both sides.
One bad thing with the upper theory is that implies a s**t tone of deaths until/if it happens.
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Post by JB on Jul 19, 2024 14:39:31 GMT -5
yeah, Candace Owens was with Trump in Jerusalem, smiling like her dad took her to Disneyland. now she's interviewing Dr. Norman Finklestein. Tucker interviewed an evangelical paster from Bethlehem to speak on the occupation and the mainstream conservative establishment had a mental breakdown.
the dissident right (for lack of a better term) isn't as intellectually advanced as lefties on this issue, but they're moving away from the iron-clad consensus after the genocide.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 19, 2024 14:43:05 GMT -5
Trump and Netanyahu are birds of a feather, both sociopathic corrupt far right authoritarians. GOP in general gives a blank check to Bibi for his complete cleansing of Gaza to eradicate Hamas. Never mind the collateral damage that Israeli falsely claimed they tried to minimize. The long term interests of Israel are damaged by the violent policies of its far right too. They have killed tens of thousands of innocents in their unrealistic quest with no path to two state solution, and Trump won’t push them toward that at all. Biden is feckless too, but much more critical of Bibi government than Trump. So many Gaza kids who’ve been injured and/or orphaned will grow up to be terrorists. Won’t be safe for Israel for many decades. I can’t believe I have to write this obvious stuff. Any american that dont think Israel completely controls the US regardless of who sits in the chair is stuck with their head in the sand. Biden is doing nothing to prevent the genocide going on
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jul 19, 2024 14:45:39 GMT -5
Sickening to see both sides use Gaza to get people go vote for their favorite guy to not do jack s**t about the situation
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If you care about Gaza vote for this guy that wont do nothing
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Post by jimijam28 on Jul 19, 2024 14:54:50 GMT -5
Sorry but gaza/Israel conflict is not a top 10 issue for most voters. Keeping a dictator out , keeping women health rights , keeping school free from religious right . f**k trump and project 2025
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Post by BBBbbb on Jul 19, 2024 14:58:16 GMT -5
That would imply it stopped. Unfortunately the toll of this one once it ends will be disastrous at best. Ironic that the best comparison might be the hell Jews went through in WWII. And yeah Sudan is as terrible, but it’s not sponsored by the side that presents themselves as free civilized world.
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Post by JB on Jul 19, 2024 15:06:29 GMT -5
Sorry but gaza/Israel conflict is not a top 10 issue for most voters. Keeping a dictator out , keeping women health rights , keeping school free from religious right . f**k trump and project 2025 it is for voters under 25. if that's not aware to you now, it will be eventually.
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