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Post by M2J on May 17, 2009 22:50:34 GMT -5
If we play smart offense and move the ball instead of taking bad shots to get their offense going, AND take care of the defensive boards we should win.
I don't have all that much faith in Karl to figure out anything all that bright to do with Kobe, but if we can keep him average and just to his numbers and not getting 50-60% fg and 33-40 every game, I think defensively we can be fine. I like Nene (who wasnt healthy and was limited last year) and especially Kenyon (who was mostly on Kobe last year) to be able to defend Pau and Bynum for that matter. I think we can do Pau similar to West. Hopefully our perimeter guys can just contain Kobe, and put a hand in the face of 3pt shooters. But the only way I see their front line dominating is offensive boards.
I think the best way to go about getting things done is to use JR in the starting lineup instead of starting DJ who can't stop Kobe and will give them a guy to put Kobe on and either roam or rest defensively. And get our team off to good offensive starts. AND play Balkman behind Melo to get more length, energy, rebounding and defense out there as LK gives nothing. One more thing I'd like to see us do a bit more is look to randomly trap the Lakers pgs as they bring the ball up as I've seen they can be turnover prone in those situations.
This series is probably gonna be different, LA is probably the most talented team in the league overall, but I like our matchups. They can play inconsistent, but the hype of this series can probably bring out the best in them, but I think the same about us and I think we can take it. Unless Kobe takes on Billups (and I fully expect that to happen a lot) Billups is a big matchup problem for them, and well they don't have anybody that can take on Melo 1 on 1 and he's proven if doubled he'll make the right play...the others just have to make shots and take advantage of that and that's one reason JR NEEDS to play more. Nene needs to take advantage of his advantages down low also
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Post by Nairb on May 17, 2009 22:53:31 GMT -5
Nuggets in 4 I could explain why... but why bother. Jones/Melo/Billups/The Rest? How can we not win? Nuggets for the win!
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Post by 2d2r on May 17, 2009 22:55:39 GMT -5
A little disconcerting that you mention Dahntay before Melo and Chauncey.
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Post by Redemption on May 17, 2009 22:59:57 GMT -5
Stop the starting petro bulshit, you don't change what's been working all playoffs until you see it fail and we will get to see how that goes tuesday. Let kobe get his and be his selfish usual, everyone knows when he goes 1 on 5 the lakers are in trouble. The guy that worries me most is gasol, he's a soft ass 7 footer who seems to always rape nene and kenyon. My solution to this is to play kobe straight up and then trap him and get the ball out of his hand and make the rest of the lakers team beat the nugs. Although we have noone that can guard kobe, i doubt they have anyone who can shut down both melo and billups. Jr is going to be huge here, hopefully he can step it up and bring defense because so far in the playoffs he's been pretty mediocre on the D side. Nene has to be dominant, he needs to be that low post presense who's going to put the lakers big man into foul trouble and i pray for kenyon to have his jumper and mini hook shot to fall so guy's can't double melo without worrying about kenyon. Easy win
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Post by bmelo on May 17, 2009 23:01:24 GMT -5
Only thing scares me is the ref's and getting outrebounded
Like I said if we shot the same amount of free throws last game, the score would have them losing even when we got outrebounded. We had 27, they had like 48. Type of stuff is that
Control the rebounds, we should be fine. Thats why I'm fine with Petro starting. I trust him to grab the rebounds better than Martin. Just like Bird
Best way to surprise a person is for them to expected the unexpected. Putting multiple guys and double teams on Kobe. Play different guys on Bynum and Gasol. They get uncomfortable and not settled
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Post by Nairb on May 17, 2009 23:11:17 GMT -5
A little disconcerting that you mention Dahntay before Melo and Chauncey. I'll preemptively accept your apology. Have a nice life!
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Post by showtimeredux on May 17, 2009 23:11:22 GMT -5
Nuggets in 4 I could explain why... but why bother. Jones/Melo/Billups/The Rest? How can we not win? Nuggets for the win! wow... not one of your brightest fans huh?
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Post by Cheese on May 17, 2009 23:14:39 GMT -5
All Karl has left to realize is how amazing his career has truly been. f**k this Start JR/Petro/Balkman bullshit. Leave it alone. You're all grasping for straws. Amazing until the post season. This series it's time for Karl to earn his pay check. I agree, I don't want him starting Petro. But if DJ can't get it done, and he hasn't the entire year besides the Mavs series, it ain't BS to change things. JR had no problem scoring in the LA series last year. Actually played defense well on Kobe this year. So why not start him? That ain't grasping at straws. It's being intelligent.
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Post by Phonzie20 on May 17, 2009 23:17:32 GMT -5
Nuggets in 4 I could explain why... but why bother. Jones/Melo/Billups/The Rest? How can we not win? Nuggets for the win! wow... not one of your brightest fans huh? nope. he's talking out of his ass.
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Post by Nairb on May 17, 2009 23:31:48 GMT -5
Nuggets in 4 I could explain why... but why bother. Jones/Melo/Billups/The Rest? How can we not win? Nuggets for the win! wow... not one of your brightest fans huh? All this bull crap number analyzing and predicting who is better than who is meaningless. What any of us think has absolutely no bearing on the result of the game. Instead of letting myself get caught up in it as I used it, its more fun to focus on the fun aspects of the game... namely Dahntay Jones posterizing everyone. Plus explaining why the Nuggets will win in 4 is like explaining the tides... it involves complicated physics none us care to go into.
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Post by 2d2r on May 17, 2009 23:33:25 GMT -5
All Karl has left to realize is how amazing his career has truly been. f**k this Start JR/Petro/Balkman bullshit. Leave it alone. You're all grasping for straws. Amazing until the post season. This series it's time for Karl to earn his pay check. I agree, I don't want him starting Petro. But if DJ can't get it done, and he hasn't the entire year besides the Mavs series, it ain't BS to change things. JR had no problem scoring in the LA series last year. Actually played defense well on Kobe this year. So why not start him? That ain't grasping at straws. It's being intelligent. Apologies to all who have you ignored for the quote.. but even though you completely lied to attempt to make a point by saying Dahntay has been awful all year until the Mavs series.. the Mavs series just ended. So you're implying he's 'finally' playing well.. and you want him on the bench. Awesome.
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Post by 2d2r on May 17, 2009 23:36:58 GMT -5
A little disconcerting that you mention Dahntay before Melo and Chauncey. I'll preemptively accept your apology. Have a nice life! My mistake, I was under the impression this was a playoff series and not a dunk contest. I realize you're being satirical at this point, but your sudden resurrection screams jinx.
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Post by Anonymous on May 17, 2009 23:51:28 GMT -5
Scola was able to guard Gasol because the Rockets were able to play Artest/Battier on Kobe without double teaming him. This made it harder for Gasol/Bynum/Odom to get easy baskets. We don't have that freedom. So that's reason to start Petro? What? I never said anything about Petro.
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Post by brick on May 17, 2009 23:58:34 GMT -5
So that's reason to start Petro? What? I never said anything about Petro. My initial comments were in regard to the dumbasses saying the Nugs should start Petro.
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Post by Cheese on May 18, 2009 0:06:09 GMT -5
Amazing until the post season. This series it's time for Karl to earn his pay check. I agree, I don't want him starting Petro. But if DJ can't get it done, and he hasn't the entire year besides the Mavs series, it ain't BS to change things. JR had no problem scoring in the LA series last year. Actually played defense well on Kobe this year. So why not start him? That ain't grasping at straws. It's being intelligent. Apologies to all who have you ignored for the quote.. but even though you completely lied to attempt to make a point by saying Dahntay has been awful all year until the Mavs series.. the Mavs series just ended. So you're implying he's 'finally' playing well.. and you want him on the bench. Awesome. That's not lying. Its called a brain fart or whatever term you want to use. I meant the Hornets. DJ was useless against the Mavs.
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Post by callmeking on May 18, 2009 0:07:46 GMT -5
Looking at it on paper, there is no reason to feel we'll lose. Then I picture how LA plays against us and I get a headache. Gasol getting every call, Kobe getting the whistle on Danhtay because he's getting a dirty player rep, Shannon Brown draining 3s, Nene being intimidated by a taller player, Carmelo missing layup after layup, JR playing like a bonehead, Birdman getting 6 fouls in 10 minutes because he wants to block every shot, Kmart letting the rebounds slip through his hands, and LK/AC sightings. I'm feeling like Rock right now. I expect the sky to come down on us.
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Post by 2d2r on May 18, 2009 0:08:46 GMT -5
He stifled one of the best PGs in the history of the game.. what exactly did he do against Dallas to diminish that? It's been substantiated that he excels against smaller guards, but he's not some gaping hole against bigger guys. He's still really physical. He still frustrates guys. He'll just get in foul trouble early.
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Post by 2d2r on May 18, 2009 0:11:23 GMT -5
Looking at it on paper, there is no reason to feel we'll lose. Then I picture how LA plays against us and I get a headache. Gasol getting every call, Kobe getting the whistle on Danhtay because he's getting a dirty player rep, Shannon Brown draining 3s, Nene being intimidated by a taller player, Carmelo missing layup after layup, JR playing like a bonehead, Birdman getting 6 fouls in 10 minutes because he wants to block every shot, Kmart letting the rebounds slip through his hands, and LK/AC sightings. I'm feeling like Rock right now. I expect the sky to come down on us. Shannon Brown was 1-4 from 3 against the Nuggets this year. Not sure that constitutes rain. Ass.
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Post by Cheese on May 18, 2009 0:21:06 GMT -5
He stifled one of the best PGs in the history of the game.. what exactly did he do against Dallas to diminish that? It's been substantiated that he excels against smaller guards, but he's not some gaping hole against bigger guys. He's still really physical. He still frustrates guys. He'll just get in foul trouble early. Well, I did say to give DJ a chance since he stepped it up against Paul. Though with him on the court, Kobe doesn't need to work on defense. On that point, someone made, I was agreeing playing JR could be better.
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Post by 2d2r on May 18, 2009 0:24:33 GMT -5
JR's career stats against the Lakers, presumably with Kobe on him:
9 points on 34 percent shooting, 22 percent from 3. Doubled his scoring output against them this year, but the percentages aren't any better.
However, one thing he did improve on against the Lakers this year was getting to the rack. Doubled his trips to the line. That's our best hope from JR this series.. I don't like him sitting behind the 3 at this crucial postseason juncture.
JR seems to be blooming on the fly in these playoffs, but I still say he doesn't exactly pose the greatest of threats to Kobe's defensive prowess.
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