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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:17:32 GMT -5
Because they both suck and Zeke's contract is horrible? That's exactly my original point. Calvin made a huge gamble on kids, he could have got out of that situation at the trade deadline if he wanted to but he did not. Everyone here were telling me that Zeke got extended to be traded (maybe together with Reggie) and Calvin remained silent. Also i just threw a random combination of names in that proposed trade. Maybe Wizzards ask for Reggie and Strawther instead of Zeke and Tyson, you just have 6 bodies and 2nd round picks to work with. Just look for how little those type of players were moved for at the trade deadline. You can't just make up random combinations of our worst players, pick your favorite players from other rosters, and then blame Booth for not making your imaginary trades. This isn't NBA2K.
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:26:02 GMT -5
You can go look for how little some of those players were acquired before making these statments. Royce O Neale for 3 2nd round picks and dead bodies. Gafford for Holmes (dead body) and OKC 2024 first (almost 2nd round pick in theory) etc.
Giving rebuilding team young bodies (former 1st round picks in Zeke and Strawther) instead of dead bodies + 2nd round picks is way better offer than what those players were dealt for.
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Post by GBG on Mar 28, 2024 0:29:08 GMT -5
I was frankly surprised Booth would want to occupy three precious roster spots with rookie draft picks. I don’t wanna repeat myself as it’s all in my earlier critique. But we needed one more vet min guy and not just Holiday, who has been a pleasant surprise when he’s played. We will sink or swim on the health of the starting five anyway. Even if our bench suffers versus having BB last year, we could still go 16-8 this postseason if healthy. We won’t go 16-4 again regardless.
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:29:20 GMT -5
Unless you have faith that Zeke and Strawther will be our 7th/8th man next or in 2 years and that they are worth waiting for (maybe even at the cost of not repeating this year), then i understand your defensive mechanism towards our drafted players.
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Post by famicommander on Mar 28, 2024 0:31:32 GMT -5
You can go look for how little some of those players were acquired before making these statments. Royce O Neale for 3 2nd round picks and dead bodies. Gafford for Holmes (dead body) and OKC 2024 first (almost 2nd round pick in theory) etc. Giving rebuilding team young bodies (former 1st round picks in Zeke and Strawther) instead of dead bodies + 2nd round picks is way better offer than what those players were dealt for. Rebuilding teams want flexibility. They don't want to be locked in long term to an overpaid guy like Zeke who has four years of below replacement level play and tons of injuries to his name. Royce O'Neal was traded for one guy on a non-guaranteed contract (Goodwin) and one guy on a player option league minimum 1 year deal next year (Bates-Diop).
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Post by Dante on Mar 28, 2024 0:37:39 GMT -5
Ok. Why was Zeke extended and given that contract again? I asked that question 100 times and literally everyone told me it was the plan to move him and maybe Reggie at the trade deadline. Who is at fault? Calvin is. That's my original point. He did an amazing job last year, he did awful job this summer. He may or may not moved some of those bodies and improve on margins at the trade deadline but if we do not repeat due to literally every single starter being forced to average 40+ minutes per game heading into Boston matchup, i will not blame any of our starters, i will blame Calvin just as i was giving him major props for the job he did last year. I will end on this, my shift is about to end in 20 minutes.
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Post by somborshuffle on Mar 28, 2024 2:05:27 GMT -5
One thing that surprised me over the off-season was that I was expecting, perhaps foolishly, that some good FAs would be interested in signing for the Nuggets to chase a ring or improve their value aka BB.
Perhaps I was naive because it seemed like vet min guys or talented players lookimg for an opportunity had as much interest in Jokic and the Nuggets as they did signing for the Nets or Hornets.
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Post by wizardofcozz on Mar 28, 2024 2:20:49 GMT -5
Not going to lie, most disappointed I've been all season. Had a huge opportunity with OKC losing at home and came out flat and really just played flat for most of the game. Felt like a team that was playing January basketball and not near April basketball. The bench is a major concern. Like major major major. The bench becomes much more noticeable when. We have a starter out. Let's be honest if Murray isn't ready to give us 38+ minutesxa night in the playoffs our championship aspirations dwindle greatly. We already don't have much creation on this team outside of Jokic/Murray and with Murray out it shows how much we don't have anyone to put pressure on rim especially if they double jokic evefytime he touches the ball.
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Post by duh88 on Mar 28, 2024 2:59:52 GMT -5
One thing that surprised me over the off-season was that I was expecting, perhaps foolishly, that some good FAs would be interested in signing for the Nuggets to chase a ring or improve their value aka BB. Perhaps I was naive because it seemed like vet min guys or talented players lookimg for an opportunity had as much interest in Jokic and the Nuggets as they did signing for the Nets or Hornets. Booth wasn't going to sign vet minimums. He wanted to force Malone's hand and make sure the young guys got run and developed. Had an arsenal of decent vets been signed, you don't see Strawther and Watson on the floor (maybe not even Braun). Ultimately, these guys are all on 5-year rookie contracts. If your bench stays cheap, you can continue to afford multiple max contracts.
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Post by duh88 on Mar 28, 2024 3:03:58 GMT -5
NOTES:
1. OFFICIATING: There was no way the NBA was going to let PHX not win. Billions have been spent promoting Booker, Durant and Beal. The NBA is not going to let this team go into the "play-in."
2. 2ND SEED: I've said it a million times - I want the second seed. This was a good loss.
3. PHX CONDITIONING: I don't think PHX's conditioning is very good. Well done to them for building a good lead tonight - but when playoff time starts, I don't see this team doing well in the fourth quarters. To me, those tired legs emerged in the 4th quarter.
4. MPJ: MPJ is honestly the only thing that upset me tonight. When Murray is out, that dude needs to go into alpha-mode. Credit to AG - AG did everything he could to attack the basket and reduce Jokic's stress. MPJ can drive - he's very good at it - he needs to man up, command the ball, and create more offense. He's actually really good at doing that when he takes initiative.
Not worried. Onward -
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Post by somborshuffle on Mar 28, 2024 3:20:50 GMT -5
Agreed that there is no need to worry. Only injuries can derail the Nuggets but we know that anyway and it's the same for everyone else.
I admit I am concerned about the Suns. But that's because I still view KD as probably the 3rd best player in the NBA when it matters.
Let the Timberwolves deal with them so McDaniels can exhaust KD.
The Nuggets seeding probably comes down to winning those home games vs the Timberwolves. But even then, if the "reward" is a 1st rnd match up vs the Suns instead of maybe the Kings or Pelicans then it's not worth it anyway.
Onwards and upwards.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 28, 2024 3:58:11 GMT -5
The bench is a major concern. Like major major major. 🤷🏻♂️ At least we are healthy! Should be enough
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Post by nuggetshipster on Mar 28, 2024 4:28:03 GMT -5
Calvin gambled like a boss big time past summer. He even said to DNVR guys that his vision is to win 3 in next 6 years instead of going all in year by year. I have a major problem with that philosophy. First, Jokic is not going to play at this level forever and also he is not playing in his late 30s (you can book that) plus you have aging KCP, AG athleticism is only going to drop year by year while Jamal and MPJ are injury prone players with major injury history. We were cap strapped. Calvin only erred in taking three picks and putting two of them, both 2nd rounders, on regular roster. CG also should have been given standard contract, but that’s a bit in hindsight. Tyson and Pickett on regular contracts killed our chances to improve at trade deadline and in buyout market. Should have actually left one roster spot open until then. No hindsight in seeing CG being better than Pickett tbh Calvin did decide to make no trades and sign dissappointing veterans/ring chasers. Its a fumble. But we will still probably win.
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Post by sawyeral on Mar 28, 2024 9:57:30 GMT -5
Might be a bit of a hot take…but despite their recent run, team isn’t playing particularly well recently. Nearly dropped what would’ve been a terrible loss to a tired injured minny squad. A couple wins over bottom feeders… blowout loss to Phoenix at home.
Nugs have definitely proven they can flip a switch, but they are no longer playing like they were hot out of the ASB gate.
Still a good home record, but I don’t remember the Nugs getting swept at home by 2 different conference opponents last year.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 28, 2024 10:21:15 GMT -5
Zeke, Vlatko, Reggie, Tyson, Pickett and even Strawther have no business being on a championship level team. Literally half of those dudes have a championship ring. They do have a ring but contributed to it same as me and you.
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Post by JB on Mar 28, 2024 10:29:50 GMT -5
Ok. Why was Zeke extended and given that contract again? I asked that question 100 times and literally everyone told me it was the plan to move him and maybe Reggie at the trade deadline. Who is at fault? Calvin is. That's my original point. He did an amazing job last year, he did awful job this summer. He may or may not moved some of those bodies and improve on margins at the trade deadline but if we do not repeat due to literally every single starter being forced to average 40+ minutes per game heading into Boston matchup, i will not blame any of our starters, i will blame Calvin just as i was giving him major props for the job he did last year. I will end on this, my shift is about to end in 20 minutes. Calvin clearly has a ton of faith in Zeke and made a calculated gamble that once Zeke was given guaranteed playing time, he would soon make that extension look like a bargain. Calvin very likely envisioned a nightmare scenario where an unextended Zeke played well and he was faced with another Bruce situation where the Nuggets are essentially priced out of the market due to the punitive tax penalties. it was a risk that has not exactly paid off yet but Zeke remains a young guy so it's not entirely hopeless.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 28, 2024 11:00:12 GMT -5
Jokic played 42 minutes, had a Sombor double/double on 57% FG, had 10 assists to 1 TO, won his minutes by 2 in a 7 pt loss but bench lost those 6 minutes by 9 at home to one of the worst defensive teams in the league. Reggie the Loser took 14 shots and hit 5 of them. That guy alone is capable of sinking the entire team. I'll pray for him not to play more than 1 minute per game in PO's
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Post by JB on Mar 28, 2024 11:03:15 GMT -5
unfortunately, Reggie is going to have to lose us a game or two in the playoffs before Malone sends him out to pasture. can't do anything about it.
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Post by passtheballquick on Mar 28, 2024 12:07:08 GMT -5
unfortunately, Reggie is going to have to lose us a game or two in the playoffs before Malone sends him out to pasture. can't do anything about it. The problem is that he can pull out one miracle game and contribute in a meaningless win before he cost us 2 games that can end up our championship hopes
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Post by rock on Mar 28, 2024 16:11:34 GMT -5
I guess it comes with the territory as a title contender but it’s getting really frustrating to read opposing fans chalking games up against us an automatic loss or laughing at how bad they will get blown out
Only to come to our house, as massive dogs and win convincingly without a sweat.
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