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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 1, 2024 22:25:03 GMT -5
Netflix time ,, 14-0 run
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:25:08 GMT -5
Hey look how easy that was. Wow. Also don't give me +/- numbers when Jokic plays with the 4 best players on the team. You honestly argued that we'd be better off with Zeke and DeAndre rather than Jokic. You don't get to weasel out of that nonsense. Even with only 2 points in the first he very obviously impacted the game in a positive way. If the other guys were hitting shots he'd have 13 assists already and his rebounding and defense have been good. Stop freaking out when Jokic's play in a short sample size doesn't mirror exactly how you mapped it out in your head. I wanted him to be more aggressive too, I was the one who pointed out he hadn't taken any shots yet, but I didn't get so mad at that concept that I had to make up a dream world where his rebounds and assists don't matter and Zeke is a legitimate alternative.
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:25:49 GMT -5
I'd like someone to explain to me how Jokic/Zeke is relevant to +/-
What would the bench +/- be if you replaced Zeke with Jokic but Jokic took 1 shot the entire half?
Give me a break. Jokic comes out in the 2nd half, tries and the Nuggets are up 15. It's not rocket science.
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Post by passtheballquick on Jan 1, 2024 22:26:28 GMT -5
1,2,3 punch lol
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:27:10 GMT -5
Hey look how easy that was. Wow. Also don't give me +/- numbers when Jokic plays with the 4 best players on the team. You honestly argued that we'd be better off with Zeke and DeAndre rather than Jokic. You don't get to weasel out of that nonsense. Even with only 2 points in the first he very obviously impacted the game in a positive way. If the other guys were hitting shots he'd have 13 assists already and his rebounding and defense have been good. Stop freaking out when Jokic's play in a short sample size doesn't mirror exactly how you mapped it out in your head. I wanted him to be more aggressive too, I was the one who pointed out he hadn't taken any shots yet, but I didn't get so mad at that concept that I had to make up a dream world where his rebounds and assists don't matter and Zeke is a legitimate alternative. Correct. In that first half if Jokic doesn't play the Nuggets probably lead at half. Doesn't matter now.
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:28:21 GMT -5
You honestly argued that we'd be better off with Zeke and DeAndre rather than Jokic. You don't get to weasel out of that nonsense. Even with only 2 points in the first he very obviously impacted the game in a positive way. If the other guys were hitting shots he'd have 13 assists already and his rebounding and defense have been good. Stop freaking out when Jokic's play in a short sample size doesn't mirror exactly how you mapped it out in your head. I wanted him to be more aggressive too, I was the one who pointed out he hadn't taken any shots yet, but I didn't get so mad at that concept that I had to make up a dream world where his rebounds and assists don't matter and Zeke is a legitimate alternative. Correct. In that first half if Jokic doesn't play the Nuggets probably lead at half. Doesn't matter now. You cannot possibly believe that's true so it's not even worth engaging you anymore. For Zeke to have 5 assists and 8 rebounds in a half he'd probably accompany it with 24 turnovers and 6 fouls.
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Post by sawyeral on Jan 1, 2024 22:28:42 GMT -5
I'd like someone to explain to me how Jokic/Zeke is relevant to +/- What would the bench +/- be if you replaced Zeke with Jokic but Jokic took 1 shot the entire half? Give me a break. Jokic comes out in the 2nd half, tries and the Nuggets are up 15. It's not rocket science. You just implied that Jokic is carried by the ‘4 best Nuggets players’.
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:30:42 GMT -5
I'd like someone to explain to me how Jokic/Zeke is relevant to +/- What would the bench +/- be if you replaced Zeke with Jokic but Jokic took 1 shot the entire half? Give me a break. Jokic comes out in the 2nd half, tries and the Nuggets are up 15. It's not rocket science. You just implied that Jokic is carried by the ‘4 best Nuggets players’. No, but it helps a lot.
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:31:32 GMT -5
Correct. In that first half if Jokic doesn't play the Nuggets probably lead at half. Doesn't matter now. You cannot possibly believe that's true so it's not even worth engaging you anymore. For Zeke to have 5 assists and 8 rebounds in a half he'd probably accompany it with 24 turnovers and 6 fouls. Why do the assists and rebounds matter but not the points? Maybe Zeke has 8 points and a couple of stocks. Maybe be gets some offensive rebounds that lead to points?
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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 1, 2024 22:31:43 GMT -5
where is rock? lol
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:31:57 GMT -5
You just implied that Jokic is carried by the ‘4 best Nuggets players’. No, but it helps a lot. Where do Jokic's 11 rebounds come from without him? From Zeke "my first impulse is always to immediately throw the ball into the crowd" Nnaji?
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Post by sawyeral on Jan 1, 2024 22:32:17 GMT -5
“Stupid pathetic pussy Jokic killing everyone’s hopes and dreams. Should be up 50. “
-Ring and Rock (Rong?)
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:33:20 GMT -5
You cannot possibly believe that's true so it's not even worth engaging you anymore. For Zeke to have 5 assists and 8 rebounds in a half he'd probably accompany it with 24 turnovers and 6 fouls. Why do the assists and rebounds matter but not the points? Maybe Zeke has 8 points and a couple of stocks. Maybe be gets some offensive rebounds that lead to points? For every 1 offensive rebound Zeke gets he launches 3 easy ones into the 4th row, and 8 points? He's only scored 8 points 3 times all season long. He's the most limited offensive player we have by a country mile.
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:34:58 GMT -5
Why do the assists and rebounds matter but not the points? Maybe Zeke has 8 points and a couple of stocks. Maybe be gets some offensive rebounds that lead to points? For every 1 offensive rebound Zeke gets he launches 3 easy ones into the 4th row, and 8 points? He's only scored 8 points 3 times all season long. He's the most limited offensive player we have by a country mile. DJ would have started anyway. Can he rebound and catch dunks? Yes. You guys are defending a superstar not trying at home. Tons of people paying money to watch him.
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Post by JB on Jan 1, 2024 22:35:32 GMT -5
fatman and the Canadian get the job done when it matters, story at 7.
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:38:11 GMT -5
For every 1 offensive rebound Zeke gets he launches 3 easy ones into the 4th row, and 8 points? He's only scored 8 points 3 times all season long. He's the most limited offensive player we have by a country mile. DJ would have started anyway. Can he rebound and catch dunks? Yes. You guys are defending a superstar not trying at home. Tons of people paying money to watch him. There's a huge difference between not trying and not being an aggressive scorer. His effort on defense has been consistent all night, he's been rebounding, he's been passing. I know you know that there's no coherent argument to be made that any team, in any context, is better off with DeAndre and Zeke than Jokic unless the context is the team is trying to tank. So maybe stop and examine what would make you make and then defend such a ridiculously nonsensical argument as that.
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Post by famicommander on Jan 1, 2024 22:39:23 GMT -5
fatman and the Canadian get the job done when it matters, story at 7. The truth of it is this game doesn't matter at all.
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Post by sawyeral on Jan 1, 2024 22:39:25 GMT -5
For every 1 offensive rebound Zeke gets he launches 3 easy ones into the 4th row, and 8 points? He's only scored 8 points 3 times all season long. He's the most limited offensive player we have by a country mile. DJ would have started anyway. Can he rebound and catch dunks? Yes. You guys are defending a superstar not trying at home. Tons of people paying money to watch him. You are constantly trashing a top 20 all time player that just delivered a championship and routinely puts up ridiculously efficient stat lines night in and out. Oh, and he plays pretty much every single game. Who’s the ridiculous one?
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Post by Ring on Jan 1, 2024 22:40:25 GMT -5
DJ would have started anyway. Can he rebound and catch dunks? Yes. You guys are defending a superstar not trying at home. Tons of people paying money to watch him. You are constantly trashing a top 20 all time player that just delivered a championship and routinely puts up ridiculously efficient stat lines night in and out. Oh, and he plays pretty much every single game. Who’s the ridiculous one? Was I trashing him early on in the season when he was playing like a superstar? Am I bashing him in this quarter where he's trying?
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Post by somborshuffle on Jan 1, 2024 22:41:11 GMT -5
Braun at risk of dropping out of the rotation.
He's been awful the past month.
Watson is way above him now and makes Braun a potential tradeable asset.
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