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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 16:25:34 GMT -5
LotharBraunBrownBryant Did i asked you to delete it m8? Lol, relax, just mentioned that we were referring to the same source. I agree with you on everything you've said and posted on AD discussion we are having. What would your best offer be for AD; AD/Mirotic?
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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 28, 2019 16:31:21 GMT -5
Uncle Paul, Harris, picks, sticky s**t thread for AD
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 16:41:22 GMT -5
Let's say we traded Murray/Harris/Millsap for Davis/salary filler. IMO that's the best offer they can get right now with the Celtics not being able to buy in. Even than I think Murray/Harris compete with the Celtics offer. It's better than L.A's offer too IMO.
Monte Morris/Barton can play back up point till I.T gets healthy. Barton/Beasley Craig/E.Moore/Hernangomez Davis/Lyles/Hernangomez Jokic/Plumlee
Like am I crazy or is that not still a really deep roster? Toss in the fact that you still have MPJ/Vanderbilt/and I.T when he comes back. Davis is still 25 so it's not like you can't make other moves down the line. Maybe we can get a rotation player NOLA wants to dump back as well. E.Moore is turning 30 and making 8ish mill a year so a good deal and he's having back to back good seasons so maybe we eat Solomon Hill's shitty contract to get him added.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 16:53:09 GMT -5
Let's say we traded Murray/Harris/Millsap for Davis/salary filler. IMO that's the best offer they can get right now with the Celtics not being able to buy in. Even than I think Murray/Harris compete with the Celtics offer. It's better than L.A's offer too IMO. Monte Morris/Barton can play back up point till I.T gets healthy. Barton/Beasley Craig/E.Moore/Hernangomez Davis/Lyles/Hernangomez Jokic/Plumlee Like am I crazy or is that not still a really deep roster? Toss in the fact that you still have MPJ/Vanderbilt/and I.T when he comes back. Davis is still 25 so it's not like you can't make other moves down the line. Maybe we can get a rotation player NOLA wants to dump back as well. E.Moore is turning 30 and making 8ish mill a year so a good deal and he's having back to back good seasons so maybe we eat Solomon Hill's shitty contract to get him added. It's still deep definitely. IT being 100% healthy would kick that up a huge notch if he could still offer some quality scoring off the bench.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 16:54:37 GMT -5
inyourmind What is the best deal we can make without giving both Murray/Harris but only one of them should be the only question, otherwise we are back at square 1. I came up with this (Millsap/Lyles/Garris/Juancho + 2 firsts) for AD/Mirotic as the offer that is good for both Nuggets and Pelicans.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 16:55:22 GMT -5
It's scary trading someone like Murray.
Murray, Millsap, Lyles and Beasley should be more than enough talent. Dont trade Harris for s**t like Hill
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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 28, 2019 16:58:50 GMT -5
Harris or Murray not both
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Jan 28, 2019 17:00:16 GMT -5
They'd definitely want some of our better secondary prospects like Morris, Beasley, or Vanderbilt if they're not getting Murray. Lyles isnt moving the needle even a little bit.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:01:51 GMT -5
I just don't think there's a trade that exists without Murray/Harris together. Davis is a consensus top 5 player around the league. Even with some doubting him because of the Pelicans record when he has made the playoffs he's feasted. He's a two way player. Nobody is going to let him go for Harris+ spare parts, or for Murray+.
It's a pipe dream no matter what because Davis most likely has a list were not on .. but not including Murray/Harris just isn't feasible IMO. Quite a few teams would beat the offer. It's not a Harden situation, or a Melo situation, or even a Kyrie Irving situation IMO.
I'm been pumping Murray's tires months before we even drafted him but if that deal was somehow on the table, it'd be scary to let it go. If Murray never becomes the 25/5/5 type player, and Harris doesn't get better, you'd regret not moving them. Of course Murray could pop off, Harris gets healthy and better, and you could look stupid for giving up the farm for Davis. Certainly two ways to look at it.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 17:01:53 GMT -5
Harris or Murray not both THIS. Keep this in mind for any future "possible trade deals". If you give up both and AD leaves as a FA in 2020 you are left with Jokic + bunch of fuckfaces
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:01:58 GMT -5
inyourmind What is the best deal we can make without giving both Murray/Harris but only one of them should be the only question, otherwise we are back at square 1. I came up with this (Millsap/Lyles/Garris/Juancho + 2 firsts) for AD/Mirotic as the offer that is good for both Nuggets and Pelicans. I think the Pelicans values Mitro and he's not the one wanting out. I also think Pels would want Murray over Harris if they are gonna rebuild. Pure speculation. Murray, Millsap, Beasley, Lyles and two 2nds for Davis, Moore and Frazier Morris - IT - Frazier Harris - Barton - Craig Barton - Moore Davis - Juancho - Vando Jokic - Plumlee
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 17:06:55 GMT -5
inyourmind What is the best deal we can make without giving both Murray/Harris but only one of them should be the only question, otherwise we are back at square 1. I came up with this (Millsap/Lyles/Garris/Juancho + 2 firsts) for AD/Mirotic as the offer that is good for both Nuggets and Pelicans. I think the Pelicans values Mitro and he's not the one wanting out. I also think Pels would want Murray over Harris if they are gonna rebuild. Pure speculation. Murray, Millsap, Beasley, Lyles and two 2nds for Davis, Moore and Frazier Morris - IT - Frazier Harris - Barton - Craig Barton - Moore Davis - Juancho - Vando Jokic - Plumlee That package looks ok for Nuggets, only thing i would change in that package is Juancho instead of Beasley. I value Beasley work ethic/athleticism much higher and would like to extend him.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:07:25 GMT -5
I just don't think there's a trade that exists without Murray/Harris together. Davis is a consensus top 5 player around the league. Even with some doubting him because of the Pelicans record when he has made the playoffs he's feasted. He's a two way player. Nobody is going to let him go for Harris+ spare parts, or for Murray+. It's a pipe dream no matter what because Davis most likely has a list were not on .. but not including Murray/Harris just isn't feasible IMO. Quite a few teams would beat the offer. It's not a Harden situation, or a Melo situation, or even a Kyrie Irving situation IMO. I'm been pumping Murray's tires months before we even drafted him but if that deal was somehow on the table, it'd be scary to let it go. If Murray never becomes the 25/5/5 type player, and Harris doesn't get better, you'd regret not moving them. Of course Murray could pop off, Harris gets healthy and better, and you could look stupid for giving up the farm for Davis. Certainly two ways to look at it. Murray could/should have been an all star stil on his rookie deal. In the f***ing insane West and actually deserve it (unlike Luka and motherfucking Kuzma). Who does that? Murray alone is almost as good as whatever Lakers and other s**t teams can offer. Add a dunk contest athlete and 40% 3pt shooter in Beasley. I'm not even sure Pels would want a injuryprone SG making almost 18mil a year
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:08:42 GMT -5
I think the Pelicans values Mitro and he's not the one wanting out. I also think Pels would want Murray over Harris if they are gonna rebuild. Pure speculation. Murray, Millsap, Beasley, Lyles and two 2nds for Davis, Moore and Frazier Morris - IT - Frazier Harris - Barton - Craig Barton - Moore Davis - Juancho - Vando Jokic - Plumlee That package looks ok for Nuggets, only thing i would change in that package is Juancho instead of Beasley. I value Beasley work ethic/athleticism much higher and would like to extend him. the point is to make a trade isnt it? It requires Pels to say yes. Why would Pels want Juancho over Beasley? Trades usually only look OK and not great
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:10:59 GMT -5
Lakers would offer Kuzma/Ingram I think. That's beating any single package we offer that doesn't include both Harris/Murray. I think that's the issue. Millsap isn't even an asset for NOLA. He's just an expiring with a team option. Murray/Beasley/Lyles wouldn't be enough.
If Davis has a list, and Denver's on it in this hypothetical, than quite a few teams are as well so the offers are going to be high. Murray/Harris is a legitimate offer than can beat most, just 1 of them gets beat out pretty easily IMO especially if it's Harris and not Murray. Something like Murray/Monte Morris/Beasley/MPJ maybe? Gives you a potential future star, and 3 young cost controlled players for a rebuild. That might be worse than just giving them Harris.
Maybe if Davis wouldn't commit to anybody besides like 3 teams and TC rolled the dice like the Raptors did. Nobody's giving up the farm for a Davis rental. NOLA could be spiteful, kinda like S.A, and just refuse to give him to L.A. Maybe L.A plays hardball. I wouldn't want to trade Murray or Harris for a rental.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:12:33 GMT -5
Murray/Beasley > Kuzma/Ingram
No discussion IMO. But you are entitled to your opinion.
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:15:27 GMT -5
I just don't think there's a trade that exists without Murray/Harris together. Davis is a consensus top 5 player around the league. Even with some doubting him because of the Pelicans record when he has made the playoffs he's feasted. He's a two way player. Nobody is going to let him go for Harris+ spare parts, or for Murray+. It's a pipe dream no matter what because Davis most likely has a list were not on .. but not including Murray/Harris just isn't feasible IMO. Quite a few teams would beat the offer. It's not a Harden situation, or a Melo situation, or even a Kyrie Irving situation IMO. I'm been pumping Murray's tires months before we even drafted him but if that deal was somehow on the table, it'd be scary to let it go. If Murray never becomes the 25/5/5 type player, and Harris doesn't get better, you'd regret not moving them. Of course Murray could pop off, Harris gets healthy and better, and you could look stupid for giving up the farm for Davis. Certainly two ways to look at it. Murray could/should have been an all star stil on his rookie deal. In the f***ing insane West and actually deserve it (unlike Luka and motherfucking Kuzma). Who does that? Murray alone is almost as good as whatever Lakers and other s**t teams can offer. Add a dunk contest athlete and 40% 3pt shooter in Beasley. I'm not even sure Pels would want a injuryprone SG making almost 18mil a year You make a good point about Harris. Maybe NOLA wouldn't be high on him. He's having a rough year with injuries. I do think Murray is the best asset out there right now, unless a team like Philly for whatever reason wanted to offer Ben Simmons or some s**t. I just think the package would have to be huge for Davis. Melo deal had the CBA coming up. Everyone knew he wasn't testing FA and wanted his extension. Harden hadn't broke out yet and was a 6th man of the year kinda player. Irving isn't the same caliber of player as Davis. Everyone still thinks Leonard might bolt despite the Raptors success. If Davis isn't going to be a rental, and he is willingly to commit to Denver, we'd need to give up alot.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 17:17:04 GMT -5
"If Murray never becomes the 25/5/5 type player"? I am willing to bet 1000 euros with you IYM right now that he will have that stat line next season if we have starting PF that is a legit stretch 4. Also another 1000 that he will be All-star next season.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 17:17:28 GMT -5
I would include Harris if we got Holiday. Reading him saying AD was 90% of the reason he stayed in NOLA is heart breaking
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Post by inyourmind on Jan 28, 2019 17:17:37 GMT -5
Murray/Beasley > Kuzma/Ingram No discussion IMO. But you are entitled to your opinion. To each his own, but I think the Lakers package would be more valuable. That could certainly change but Beasley's only been doing it for 48 games. I think teams would value Murray higher than Kuzma, but Ingram alot higher than Beasley.
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