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Post by game on Jan 28, 2019 14:39:08 GMT -5
Here's the GS question they had to ask themselves: Can this core win a title? If Denver thinks yes, then you don't sell the farm and disrupt that. I suspect they know the answer is likely no, so it just kind of depends on the cost. I assume in the coming days it'll leak that he really wants to go to LA. This is a phased roll-out by LeBron, er, Rich Paul. He wants to go to LA. LeBron wants/needs him in LA, his window is closing soon. It's January and Bron is entering in his "go all in no matter the cost" phase. Does he really cares in what kind of situation LAL will be once he is done there? Hint: Look at the Cavs >>>. If Pelicans are smart they will trade him before this trade deadline and get whatever they want for him. If they are stupid they will end up in Spurs/Kawhi situation this summer. If AD is available once we have the clear picture of our strengths and weaknesses after playoffs, sure, trade Garris+Juancho and gamble on will he resign next summer. The Lakers have, um, advantages in recruiting players. If LeBron bolts or retires, AD will be just fine. And given that Boston can't even be a part of the bidding, I would absolutely not trade AD at this deadline. The Rich Paul thing is such bullshit, though. He can basically ensure the Pelican have zero leverage if he wants because he can ensure the Lakers have every last drop of details regarding conversations the Pelicans have with AD, other teams, etc.
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Post by game on Jan 28, 2019 14:42:25 GMT -5
I think it sends the wrong message if we trade Millsap for nothing. But like... AD man. That's an opportunity you jump on. If you can get him for this season and next for sure, that's 2 seasons to compete with AD+Jokic+whoever-you-keep, and 2 seasons to convince him to sign long-term and keep contending. This. At some point, you have to operate in the team's best interests. Paul has made a good chunk of change here and been hurt a lot. Business is business, man. Sometimes feelings get hurt. You can't avoid it. It's not like having this deep of a roster doesn't lead to plenty of hurt feelings as well as minutes are so precious and guys who have played well are squeezed out.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 28, 2019 14:42:44 GMT -5
thats other season hearing the media talking about him going to LA ,blah blah ,and our team chemistry going to the shits.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 14:44:10 GMT -5
I think it sends the wrong message if we trade Millsap for nothing. But like... AD man. That's an opportunity you jump on. If you can get him for this season and next for sure, that's 2 seasons to compete with AD+Jokic+whoever-you-keep, and 2 seasons to convince him to sign long-term and keep contending. Millsap,Juancho,Garris + 1st round pick for AD today? Where to sign? If the deal must include Murray/MPJ i would pass.
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Post by game on Jan 28, 2019 14:45:32 GMT -5
I think it sends the wrong message if we trade Millsap for nothing. But like... AD man. That's an opportunity you jump on. If you can get him for this season and next for sure, that's 2 seasons to compete with AD+Jokic+whoever-you-keep, and 2 seasons to convince him to sign long-term and keep contending. Millsap,Juancho,Garris + 1st round pick for AD today? Where to sign? If the deal must include Murray/MPJ i would pass. I mean, if that deal is available, you sprint to do it. I'd frankly do it even if AD were unsure about re-signing.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 14:55:43 GMT -5
He wants to go to LA. LeBron wants/needs him in LA, his window is closing soon. It's January and Bron is entering in his "go all in no matter the cost" phase. Does he really cares in what kind of situation LAL will be once he is done there? Hint: Look at the Cavs >>>. If Pelicans are smart they will trade him before this trade deadline and get whatever they want for him. If they are stupid they will end up in Spurs/Kawhi situation this summer. If AD is available once we have the clear picture of our strengths and weaknesses after playoffs, sure, trade Garris+Juancho and gamble on will he resign next summer. The Lakers have, um, advantages in recruiting players. If LeBron bolts or retires, AD will be just fine. And given that Boston can't even be a part of the bidding, I would absolutely not trade AD at this deadline. The Rich Paul thing is such bullshit, though. He can basically ensure the Pelican have zero leverage if he wants because he can ensure the Lakers have every last drop of details regarding conversations the Pelicans have with AD, other teams, etc. Agree 100%. If we are New York/Miami/Los Angeles Nuggets, it would be a different story. Price for acquiring AD now is something that every media, Rich Paul etc. will try to downgrade in service of LAL. I doubt that Magic is stupid to give up on something like Kuzma,Lonzo,Ingram + picks, he would not be such a successful businessman otherwise. But on the other hand LeBron window is smaller and smaller and LeBron will insist on the deal to happen before the deadline i think. If you look at the Lakers schedule for the rest of the season, it will take a more then MVP type of LeBron to bring them back in playoff picture, and especially above 8th seed because he doesn't wanna get swept again by GSW in 1st round. Adding AD now would catapult them up to 3-5th seed easily and send the message to other star free agents next summer. It's interesting how media is already trying to work in favor of LAL but i think it would take an AD statement that he wants to go to LAL only to lower his price, otherwise i don't see how they can get him without giving all young cores + picks. Edit: While we are having discussion here on forum, i bet that 90% of GM's in the NBA are working on potential deal for AD. That is only going to increase his price. I expect AD statement in next day or two maximum.
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Post by altitudesickness on Jan 28, 2019 15:17:40 GMT -5
So apparently Celtics can’t sign him until the summer.
Something about not being allowed to have two players who signed max contracts allowed by the Rose rule (Kyrie). Don’t know the specifics.
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 15:28:25 GMT -5
I just don't see the relevance of always including GS They're the most recent example of building in that particular way, specifically under the most recent 2 CBAs. We could talk about teams in the 1980s but they operated under a different reality. most recent? Teams keep their core and try to improve from within every season. GSW is the last ubersucsessfull team using that model. We could just as well compare the Nuggets to the Gasol/Conley Grizzlies. With the same ceiling being waaaaay more likely
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 15:32:14 GMT -5
Here's the GS question they had to ask themselves: Can this core win a title? If Denver thinks yes, then you don't sell the farm and disrupt that. I suspect they know the answer is likely no, so it just kind of depends on the cost. I assume in the coming days it'll leak that he really wants to go to LA. This is a phased roll-out by LeBron, er, Rich Paul. Yeah I'm wasting keystrokes here as per usual lol .. this absolutely scream LeBron/L.A. Sucks. Just more competition in the West. If Leonard leaves the East for the West after this year it's going to be comical. Blake will also most likely go to Mavs. Griffin/Doncic should be a playoff team. If suns get Zion. Why even bother
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 15:34:16 GMT -5
i also think it sends a wrong message if we trade uncle Paul. This is my only concern. The culture in Denver is special for a sports team
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Post by rock on Jan 28, 2019 15:35:50 GMT -5
Yeah I'm wasting keystrokes here as per usual lol .. this absolutely scream LeBron/L.A. Sucks. Just more competition in the West. If Leonard leaves the East for the West after this year it's going to be comical. Blake will also most likely go to Mavs. Griffin/Doncic should be a playoff team. If suns get Zion. Why even bother What’s the Blake/Dallas rumor?
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Post by nuggetshipster on Jan 28, 2019 15:36:47 GMT -5
DSJ and Harrison Barnes. Pistons fans seem to love it
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 15:38:09 GMT -5
@rock It's more of a logical trade then a rumor. Pistons need a PG to build around, Dallas is willing to move DSJ + Barnes for Blake. Also Jordan is in Dalas, reunion. And Doncic/Blake will compliment on the floor.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 15:48:27 GMT -5
www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25869416/anthony-davis-trades-celtics-lakers-knicks-do-nowPelton: Denver is probably the other team that has the best chance of making an offer that could tempt the Pelicans based on my expectation they'll desire young contributors under team control like Gary Harris and Jamal Murray. But I don't think it makes sense for a team playing so well to take such a big gamble. And that goes double for teams with young stars on rookie contracts who wouldn't be assured of re-signing Davis.
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Post by jimijam28 on Jan 28, 2019 15:50:14 GMT -5
i also think it sends a wrong message if we trade uncle Paul. This is my only concern. The culture in Denver is special for a sports team this is why u should give them a chance to do something, if they f**k up big time in playoffs then summer make moves
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Post by game on Jan 28, 2019 16:01:29 GMT -5
I agree with that logic, it just doesn't work that way. You can't always see everything through then still expect the same return.
If these guys are a disaster in the playoffs, you think they're valued the same as now?
Making a trade for a guy like this is going to hurt.
This is all a waste of time. Market size is #1 priority, and LA specifically.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jan 28, 2019 16:09:27 GMT -5
FWIW Kevin Pelton (in www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25869416/anthony-davis-trades-celtics-lakers-knicks-do-now ) notes that Denver is one of the few teams that could make a tempting offer -- because we do have so many good young players under team control for a long time. If New Orleans waits they can get their hands on a Boston offer, but (1) Boston might make a smaller offer due to only having one season of control instead of 2 full playoffs, and (2) Boston's extra picks look worse since some of the teams they have picks from have improved. Denver is legit one of the best potential landing spots for AD, because we could make a reasonable trade offer AND still have a really good team after. We've got the ability to match salary (Millsap), maybe absorb some extra salary (Mirotic fits in the Faried trade exception), we have a great player for AD to play alongside (Jokic), and even if we gave up 2 young guys and 2 firsts we'd still have enough of a team (one of Murray/Garris, IT, Monte, Beasley, Barton, hopefully MPJ and Vando, Plumlee, Lyles, ...) to be serious contenders for this playoffs and next.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 16:12:37 GMT -5
We should get back to reality. Fantasy dreams are nice, but reality is that we should maybe go for a guys like Mirotic/Donkeyface as a medium tier acquisitions this summer or Cousins/KD if they show any intention/desire to come here.
I am pretty sure that in 365 days from now we are going to be #1 buyers before the 2020 February trade deadline.
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Post by odvala on Jan 28, 2019 16:18:32 GMT -5
FWIW Kevin Pelton (in www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25869416/anthony-davis-trades-celtics-lakers-knicks-do-now ) notes that Denver is one of the few teams that could make a tempting offer -- because we do have so many good young players under team control for a long time. If New Orleans waits they can get their hands on a Boston offer, but (1) Boston might make a smaller offer due to only having one season of control instead of 2 full playoffs, and (2) Boston's extra picks look worse since some of the teams they have picks from have improved. Denver is legit one of the best potential landing spots for AD, because we could make a reasonable trade offer AND still have a really good team after. We've got the ability to match salary (Millsap), maybe absorb some extra salary (Mirotic fits in the Faried trade exception), we have a great player for AD to play alongside (Jokic), and even if we gave up 2 young guys and 2 firsts we'd still have enough of a team (one of Murray/Garris, IT, Monte, Beasley, Barton, hopefully MPJ and Vando, Plumlee, Lyles, ...) to be serious contenders for this playoffs and next. "One of Murray/Garris"? I am pretty sure that they would want both of them at this point. Also you are late on the news, scroll up AD+Mirotic for Millsap/Lyles/Garris/Juancho + 2 firsts is the maximum that we should offer imo. Murray and MPJ are not for trade in my books.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Jan 28, 2019 16:21:28 GMT -5
FWIW Kevin Pelton (in www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25869416/anthony-davis-trades-celtics-lakers-knicks-do-now ) notes that Denver is one of the few teams that could make a tempting offer -- because we do have so many good young players under team control for a long time. If New Orleans waits they can get their hands on a Boston offer, but (1) Boston might make a smaller offer due to only having one season of control instead of 2 full playoffs, and (2) Boston's extra picks look worse since some of the teams they have picks from have improved. Denver is legit one of the best potential landing spots for AD, because we could make a reasonable trade offer AND still have a really good team after. We've got the ability to match salary (Millsap), maybe absorb some extra salary (Mirotic fits in the Faried trade exception), we have a great player for AD to play alongside (Jokic), and even if we gave up 2 young guys and 2 firsts we'd still have enough of a team (one of Murray/Garris, IT, Monte, Beasley, Barton, hopefully MPJ and Vando, Plumlee, Lyles, ...) to be serious contenders for this playoffs and next. "One of Murray/Garris"? I am pretty sure that they would want both of them at this point. Also you are late on the news, scroll up What they want and what we'd actually be willing to trade are two different things. And yes, I saw someone else had linked to it; I retained the link because I was giving specific commentary related to it and there's no reason to delete it just because someone else also mentioned it without the same set of commentary.
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