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Post by brick2 on Apr 17, 2019 14:23:11 GMT -5
I'll never forget that day when the city backed out of the lawsuit and the move was basically finalized. What a s**t day.
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Post by scooter on Apr 17, 2019 14:24:18 GMT -5
Kevin Durant should have never left... Seattle. Seattle Sonics should have never left Seattle. I’ve seen both places, and Seattle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>okc. No doubt, which is why I give Westbrook some credit for playing his entire career there and not being a dramaqueen about it. Sure he's a bit of a stat w***e, but he's never made public demands that management do this or do that, he never demeans his teammates to the press etc. I think he should get some credit for how he's handled his role in a really small boring, very conservative midwestern city (as in New Orleans is also a small NBA market, but the difference between New Orleans and OKC is, well, pretty obvious).
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Post by JB on Apr 17, 2019 14:40:24 GMT -5
Westbrook is every bit a dramaqueen if you look at his numerous fan altercations and mistreating journos for asking basketball related questions. he also refuses to be coached and change his game in the slightest, which is going to result in his third straight first round flameout without Durant.
It's frankly embarrassing how the Thunder allow Westbrook to run roughshod over that organisation. if I have to pick between rooting for a "superstar" like Russ or a bunch of quality role players like the Clippers or Karl's Nuggets, give me the latter all day.
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Post by rock on Apr 17, 2019 15:43:05 GMT -5
Allow?
They pay him 40 million bucks to do it
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Post by duh88 on Apr 18, 2019 1:21:41 GMT -5
I love Westbrook. I love that he hasn’t clamored to be part of a super team like the other whores like Durant and Melo. I love that he takes more pride in being the best player on a team, rather than irrationally chasing a championship by becoming a GS Warrior. Love that he takes more pride in trying to stop the warriors than being a part of them.
Sorry to the haters on this - but Westbrook represents everything good about superstars. Dedicated men, who can uplift an entire state with their play, associate their identity to it, and stay committed even if they don’t win a championship. Honestly, that’s a bigger deal than winning a championship. When you fly into OKC, the first thing you think of is Westbrook. It’s pretty awesome.
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Post by brick2 on Apr 18, 2019 10:40:50 GMT -5
I used to hate Westbrook but upon reading a bit more about him realized that he's probably a really good dude if he's on your side. One of those guys that's easy to hate if he's on another team but someone you love if he's on yours.
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Post by LotharBraunBrownBryant on Apr 18, 2019 10:42:09 GMT -5
I agree with all of those positives about Westbrook. But dude is such a bad shooter. Like everything negative we say about Barton and hero ball applies 50x to Westbrook when he takes as many attempts as he does from anywhere other than at the rim. I'd rather have a team full of Garris type players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 10:54:09 GMT -5
Like everything negative we say about Barton and hero ball applies 50x to Westbrook when he takes as many attempts as he does from anywhere other than at the rim. I get the point you are trying to make, but Westbrook is going to be in the NBA Hall of Fame. Barton will not.
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 18, 2019 11:19:16 GMT -5
You also still have a shot to win with Barton on the team...not really the case with Westbrook.
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Post by scooter on Apr 18, 2019 11:46:49 GMT -5
Westbrook is every bit a dramaqueen if you look at his numerous fan altercations and mistreating journos for asking basketball related questions. he also refuses to be coached and change his game in the slightest, which is going to result in his third straight first round flameout without Durant. It's frankly embarrassing how the Thunder allow Westbrook to run roughshod over that organisation. if I have to pick between rooting for a "superstar" like Russ or a bunch of quality role players like the Clippers or Karl's Nuggets, give me the latter all day. This is too harsh. Nobody is perfect. As for fan stuff, first off, Westbrook has matured and in recent years he's had a very good approach IMO. It's not his fault there are bigot a****** fans in Utah, where people who probably would not be NBA fans otherwise go to games because there are no other major league sports and the Jazz (Miles Davis and John Coltrane argued over who loved SLC more, for sure ) have a good tradition of winning. Westbrook hasn't had enough shooting around him since management miscalculated and let Durant leave for nothing in return, and before that traded James Harden for the equivalent of Mason Plumlee. There is blame to be had there but it's definitely not on Westbrook. I'm not convinced he has played for really good coaches, as Scott Brooks hasn't exactly had a very big payroll Wizards team doing well, and that was true even before Wall went out. Donovan had zero NBA experience -- never a pro scout, nor assistant, nor front office guy -- none. He had lots of experience coaching amateur basketball (and recruiting high school kids to the University of Florida -- he was good at that, although I'm not sure how one puts that skill to good use in the NBA). I'm not a coaching expert and I don't watch the Thunder enough to evaluate him but I'm not aware of any evidence he's a good NBA coach and while there have been a couple of guys (Brad Stevens and somebody) who have done well with his background, IMO it is usually a bad idea to hire a head coach with zero NBA organization experience. I'm not aware of any evidence Westbrook has involved himself in personnel or other management decisions, so I don't see how he's "run roughshod" over the organization. As far as I know, he's never bitched about playing for any coach, or demanded certain personnel changes, or anything like that. I do think he pads his stats sometimes. But he's been on some horribly constructed teams. 20 year old Terrance Ferguson, who shouldn't have been playing more than spot minutes even in the regular season on a team that's not tanking, is playing heavy rotation minutes in the playoffs -- how did they not manage a mid-season trade to bring in some guard help? I've officially spent too much time defending Westbrook. I could probably use some professional help.
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2019 15:46:33 GMT -5
if Westbrook wants to honor Nipsey Hustle, sorry Steven Adams you're not grabbing any defensive rebounds that night. if Westbrook wants to no-platform and embarrass a journalist literally every single postgame interview (great sign of maturity) there is no push-back from the FO. Westbrook has carte blanche within the Thunder organization to act any way he likes, and he often acts like a douchebag.
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Post by rock on Apr 18, 2019 16:36:28 GMT -5
if Westbrook wants to honor Nipsey Hustle, sorry Steven Adams you're not grabbing any defensive rebounds that night. if Westbrook wants to no-platform and embarrass a journalist literally every single postgame interview (great sign of maturity) there is no push-back from the FO. Westbrook has carte blanche within the Thunder organization to act any way he likes, and he often acts like a douchebag. What is the nipsey hustle/Steven Adams thing referring to?
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Post by JB on Apr 18, 2019 16:50:45 GMT -5
if Westbrook wants to honor Nipsey Hustle, sorry Steven Adams you're not grabbing any defensive rebounds that night. if Westbrook wants to no-platform and embarrass a journalist literally every single postgame interview (great sign of maturity) there is no push-back from the FO. Westbrook has carte blanche within the Thunder organization to act any way he likes, and he often acts like a douchebag. What is the nipsey hustle/Steven Adams thing referring to? Adams played 33 minutes and registered 1 defensive rebound. I mean, it's nice he wanted to honor his friend but this was symbolic of the Westbrook dynamic with the Thunder. when you have the power to artificially pump up your stat sheet, that goes beyond regular Marcus Camby-esque stat whoring.
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Post by altitudesickness on Apr 18, 2019 16:53:14 GMT -5
Probably not the greatest example as they won the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2019 19:18:36 GMT -5
Probably not the greatest example as they won the game. The Westbrook rebound thing is always an overblown thing. It's their gameplan for him to rebound the ball as it leads to them pushing the pace and getting in transition. Russ in transition is an elite player still. Russ in the half court...not so much
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Post by nuggetshipster on Apr 20, 2019 4:49:33 GMT -5
Watching Russ and Dame go at it makes me jealous
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Post by Camby's Left Nut on Apr 20, 2019 23:51:29 GMT -5
Harden is shooting 0-15 and the Jazz are still losing.
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Post by jimijam28 on Apr 20, 2019 23:56:54 GMT -5
Harden is shooting 0-15 and the Jazz are still losing. Jizz suck
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Post by rock on Apr 21, 2019 0:11:36 GMT -5
Watching this game makes me wonder why we can’t play well against either team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 0:26:51 GMT -5
Watching this game makes me wonder why we can’t play well against either team. Because we're the only team that Mitchell shoots efficiently against.
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