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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 8:49:44 GMT -5
we need an off-season or FA type thread. We definitely do...so pumped for this season. All I want in the off-season is letting Nene walk. Not worth what he is going to get paid. My dream off-season would be getting 2 of the following: Deandre Jordan, Thaddeus Young and Carl Landry.
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Nov 29, 2011 10:45:47 GMT -5
Not sure how reliable Bill Ingram is, but for what its worth he says Denver is going to target Carl Landry and David West in addition to resigning Nene. I love the idea of Landry and Nene, even though it will mean more Nene at Center and less Mozgov, but Landry is uber talented and a bit underrated. I am not so sure about West...to soft for my liking. www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-bill-ingram-11282011/Bill Ingram The Nuggets do have some big questions to answer, and I’ve been told they have interest in David West or Carl Landry as replacements for Kevin Martin. They will almost certainly have Nene back in the mix. They have cap space, a players’ coach, and a good young team to build around. They will get a couple of key free agents and have you grinning from ear to ear on Christmas Day.
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Post by truch on Nov 29, 2011 11:03:48 GMT -5
Not sure how reliable Bill Ingram is, but for what its worth he says Denver is going to target Carl Landry and David West in addition to resigning Nene. I love the idea of Landry and Nene, even though it will mean more Nene at Center and less Mozgov, but Landry is uber talented and a bit underrated. I am not so sure about West...to soft for my liking. www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-bill-ingram-11282011/Bill Ingram The Nuggets do have some big questions to answer, and I’ve been told they have interest in David West or Carl Landry as replacements for Kevin Martin. They will almost certainly have Nene back in the mix. They have cap space, a players’ coach, and a good young team to build around. They will get a couple of key free agents and have you grinning from ear to ear on Christmas Day. The fact he doesn't actually know who West or Landry would be replacing makes me think we probably shouldn't listen to what he has to say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 11:16:30 GMT -5
Not sure how reliable Bill Ingram is, but for what its worth he says Denver is going to target Carl Landry and David West in addition to resigning Nene. I love the idea of Landry and Nene, even though it will mean more Nene at Center and less Mozgov, but Landry is uber talented and a bit underrated. I am not so sure about West...to soft for my liking. www.hoopsworld.com/nba-chat-with-bill-ingram-11282011/Bill Ingram The Nuggets do have some big questions to answer, and I’ve been told they have interest in David West or Carl Landry as replacements for Kevin Martin. They will almost certainly have Nene back in the mix. They have cap space, a players’ coach, and a good young team to build around. They will get a couple of key free agents and have you grinning from ear to ear on Christmas Day. The fact he doesn't actually know who West or Landry would be replacing makes me think we probably shouldn't listen to what he has to say. And what about the fact that he thinks they would be replacing Kevin Martin. I'd be completely fine with Landry. West worries me a bit with his injury, but re-signing Nene just isn't worth it. He's not worth a 5 year >>>10m per deal.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Nov 29, 2011 12:43:04 GMT -5
I don't see how we can sign Nene, Landry, West and Afflalo with about $26 million of cap space. Even if we amnesty, Harrington.. it's really pushing it.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Nov 29, 2011 13:03:11 GMT -5
According to Ken Berger, Nene wants out. ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531I guess I misunderstood how the new rules worked. I thought you could still do sign and trades at the 7.5% increases. According to Berger, that doesn't seem to be the case. Also thought you could include the 5th year in trade, but according to Berger that also isn't the case. Looking at the possibilities. 1. Golden State. As Berger mentioned they would have to amnesty Biedrins $9,000,000 salary for them to sign him at a near max level. 2. New Jersey. Has the money outright to sign him to a max deal but they would be essentially giving up on the free agent class next offseason. 3. Indiana. Can obviously sign him outright to a max deal. 4. Miami. Would have to take considerably less money to go to the Heat. 5. Dallas. Would have to be a sign and trade deal, or he'd have to be willing to sign for the mini MLE. 6. Houston. As Berger mentions, they would have to do quite a bit of maneuvering to sign him outright to a max level deal. Likely be a sign and trade. If he's going to leave, it's in the Nuggets best interest that it's Houston where he wants to go. I imagine if it's Houston, we might be able to net Marcus Morris and/or Nikola Mirotic, Hasheem Thabeet (expiring), and a couple draft picks (2012 Knicks pick and 2013 Grizzlies pick or 2012 Rockets pick would be nice). Would make the rebuild a lot quicker in theory. And potentially net us three first rounders (including our own) in a strong draft class.
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Post by smookethesenuggs on Nov 29, 2011 13:27:35 GMT -5
According to Ken Berger, Nene wants out. ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531I guess I misunderstood how the new rules worked. I thought you could still do sign and trades at the 7.5% increases. According to Berger, that doesn't seem to be the case. Also thought you could include the 5th year in trade, but according to Berger that also isn't the case. Looking at the possibilities. 1. Golden State. As Berger mentioned they would have to amnesty Biedrins $9,000,000 salary for them to sign him at a near max level. 2. New Jersey. Has the money outright to sign him to a max deal but they would be essentially giving up on the free agent class next offseason. 3. Indiana. Can obviously sign him outright to a max deal. 4. Miami. Would have to take considerably less money to go to the Heat. 5. Dallas. Would have to be a sign and trade deal, or he'd have to be willing to sign for the mini MLE. 6. Houston. As Berger mentions, they would have to do quite a bit of maneuvering to sign him outright to a max level deal. Likely be a sign and trade. If he's going to leave, it's in the Nuggets best interest that it's Houston where he wants to go. I imagine if it's Houston, we might be able to net Marcus Morris and/or Nikola Mirotic, Hasheem Thabeet (expiring), and a couple draft picks (2012 Knicks pick and 2013 Grizzlies pick or 2012 Rockets pick would be nice). Would make the rebuild a lot quicker in theory. And potentially net us three first rounders (including our own) in a strong draft class. If there is any truth to Berger's article, which states that Nene is looking at near-max offers, then I am happy to get him out the door.
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Post by voodoo on Nov 29, 2011 13:42:23 GMT -5
According to Ken Berger, Nene wants out. ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/33584531I guess I misunderstood how the new rules worked. I thought you could still do sign and trades at the 7.5% increases. According to Berger, that doesn't seem to be the case. Also thought you could include the 5th year in trade, but according to Berger that also isn't the case. Looking at the possibilities. 1. Golden State. As Berger mentioned they would have to amnesty Biedrins $9,000,000 salary for them to sign him at a near max level. 2. New Jersey. Has the money outright to sign him to a max deal but they would be essentially giving up on the free agent class next offseason. 3. Indiana. Can obviously sign him outright to a max deal. 4. Miami. Would have to take considerably less money to go to the Heat. 5. Dallas. Would have to be a sign and trade deal, or he'd have to be willing to sign for the mini MLE. 6. Houston. As Berger mentions, they would have to do quite a bit of maneuvering to sign him outright to a max level deal. Likely be a sign and trade. If he's going to leave, it's in the Nuggets best interest that it's Houston where he wants to go. I imagine if it's Houston, we might be able to net Marcus Morris and/or Nikola Mirotic, Hasheem Thabeet (expiring), and a couple draft picks (2012 Knicks pick and 2013 Grizzlies pick or 2012 Rockets pick would be nice). Would make the rebuild a lot quicker in theory. And potentially net us three first rounders (including our own) in a strong draft class. If there is any truth to Berger's article, which states that Nene is looking at near-max offers, then I am happy to get him out the door. He is my favorite player on the team, but I don't want to see the team stuck in another Kmart type of situation for several years.
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Post by justsayno on Nov 29, 2011 14:01:15 GMT -5
Or in another Nene situation, seeing as how we gave him a monster contract that he never lived up to in the first place. Edit: OK I'm being harsh, it wasn't a monster contract, but he still never lived up to the expectations we had when we signed him.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Nov 29, 2011 14:17:09 GMT -5
I just want us to get something for him. Losing him for nothing would suck terribly.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Nov 29, 2011 14:28:12 GMT -5
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Nov 29, 2011 14:33:11 GMT -5
I don't see how we can sign Nene, Landry, West and Afflalo with about $26 million of cap space. Even if we amnesty, Harrington.. it's really pushing it. Okay, everyone took his statements out of context...First I believe the Kevin Martin reference was just a typo. We all know he meant Kenyon Martin. Second, he didn't say we were going for BOTH West and Landry, just that we would try to sign ONE of them along with Nene.
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Post by Thundercock on Nov 29, 2011 14:44:50 GMT -5
from the Spears interview...
"Nene says he likely would have taken that offer during the season, but felt disrespected because the Nuggets waited so long. So he opted to join this year’s limited free-agent market at the urging of his agency, Lagardère Unlimited."
first, if that is accurate then go F yourself dude.
secondly, you can see exactly where any "spin" is coming from
IMO, Nene resigns with the nugz if for no other reason than pressure from his agency (who stand to make considerably more money by signing here).
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Post by Nugz Junkie on Nov 29, 2011 14:45:48 GMT -5
After reading his interview with Marc Spears I am fully convinced he will be back in a Nuggets uniform. The guy is just like a jilted lover, and to be honest, has no basis for it. Anybody with half a brain could understand that with all the Melo drama surrounding the team that others were just put aside till the summer. Nene should understand. AAA should understand that.
But I think once he is able to talk to Masai, who is a good salesmen, I think he will be back to being happy Nene and will resign. I think the biggest obstacle is crooked agents. I also think Masai needs to convince Nene that Denver is going to improve the team. But he is soft, he will resign.
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Post by justsayno on Nov 29, 2011 14:49:34 GMT -5
If we sign Nene, Landry, Afflalo, Forbes, Hamilton and Farried, seems like we'd be set for the season with some cap room leftover for 2012.
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Post by Tymes Rhymes on Nov 29, 2011 14:51:02 GMT -5
Really sounds like he is conflicted. If he didn't figure in his first eight years that the NBA was a business then he is really naive. Would like to re-sign him but we just can't do it at a max level if we want to prepare for the future.
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Post by gonuggs23 on Nov 29, 2011 14:56:37 GMT -5
Let him walk. Unless we're able to sign a guy like M. Gasol, I say we try and get as many picks and young talent as we can, amnesty Harrington, and be on our way.
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Post by nugzin2040 on Nov 29, 2011 15:06:06 GMT -5
I hope we sign Nene too, but at this point I've just come to accept that he's almost certainly gone. At this point, I'd be happy if we got Marcus Morris and picks for him, and start the rebuilding. Really, nobody outside of our fan base thinks he signs in Denver at this point.
He only gets more money from us if we're willing to give a max offer, starting at close to $17 million. Can't see how that would be in Denver's best interest.
Our front office ****ed up by not putting some of our attention towards Nene and putting their full attention to the Melo situation. Even after that gigantic cluster****, we could have still retained him had we made an offer early in the post melo era or even during our first round series with OKC. We didn't.
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Post by rock on Nov 29, 2011 16:59:56 GMT -5
I like that Houston trade idea - Morris plus some picks would be nice. We just Spent 7 years handcuffed by kmarts deal. Don't repeat that. Granted nene is better, healthier and it'll be only 5 years but he is NOT worth the max.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2011 17:27:47 GMT -5
if nene (zero all-stars, zero all-nba awards, zero titles) receives a anywhere near a max contract, THAT is whats wrong with the nba.
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